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mike470 8/24/08 12:15:38 AM
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Originally posted by Torak
A little grumpy, aren't we? Mabye I hit a nerve. I wasn't diminishing teachers in anyway, they're great people. I dunno, mabye they should get a little higher pay, making 30k beginning year is low - I thought they made more. They should be making more than that (15k more?). I spoke to a beginning teacher, he said he made 42k his first year. Mabye I misunderstood, mabye my memory is rocky. I'm not sure, but beginning at 40k is good for working 9 months a year with most holidays off. Also, I don't want to become a teacher, not what I want to do with my life. WTF is your problem?
-Mike Mike, 40k a year is excellent for a starting position with no experience. I doubt that is the case unless you have some decent education or live in a large city or an area desperate for teachers. Do you have a Masters in Education? Also, look into DoDDs.
Hey Torak. Like I said, I was just speaking to a new teacher abnout it (just got married to my cousin, to be exact). Anyway, I didn't really ask him about his degree, jobs just came up and I recall him saying he had an option to make 42k a year starting out. Also, my memory isn't very good, I could have remembered wrong (which seems to be the case). I believe 30k for a beginning teacher is low though. Just my opinion though. -Mike |
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War_Eagle 8/24/08 1:18:11 AM
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Originally posted by mike470
A little grumpy, aren't we? Mabye I hit a nerve. I wasn't diminishing teachers in anyway, they're great people. I dunno, mabye they should get a little higher pay, making 30k beginning year is low - I thought they made more. They should be making more than that (15k more?). I spoke to a beginning teacher, he said he made 42k his first year. Mabye I misunderstood, mabye my memory is rocky. I'm not sure, but beginning at 40k is good for working 9 months a year with most holidays off. Also, I don't want to become a teacher, not what I want to do with my life. WTF is your problem?
-Mike Yeah, it's a touchy subject for me. I feel like I owe a lot to teachers. I am working on my veterinary medicine degree and I had some excellent teachers throughout my school career when I was younger that got me where I am today and I just honestly do not think they got nearly the respect they deserve. There were times when I saw some kids who were not sure of themselves and there were teachers there when even their parents weren't. They do so much more than just teach. They do tons more. I'm not trying to jump on you, I'm just defensive of people who put themselves out to do something for the world and don't get any respect in return. Actually, a lot of times, I see teachers get abused for what they do. On the other hand I see some idiots like athletes or dumb movie stars who make millions and people fawn over them like they're actually doing something for peoples lives. I feel the same way for people who do research. I actually make it a habit to email research scientists who are doing good work in finding cures or treatments. When you read a science article that talks about these scientists doing this work, it always cites which university or organization they work for. It's soooo easy to go to their website and find their email address. Practically every single email I have sent to those scientists has gotten a response back of gratitude. They love it to know that someone is recognizing their work. I think that teachers need that same gratitude and recognition. Instead, I'll give you an example of what they hear. Have you turned on the radio to a talk station lately? Try it sometime. You'd think all the teachers were drooling idiots hell bent on molesting children and teaching classes on liberalism. It's just not true! There are some fine folks doing great work every day, and many of them eventually give up in distress because of the abuse they go through. I'm sorry if you feel like I jumped on you. I just get frustrated with situations sometimes. Things seem so backwards to me a lot. The people who make our lives better, I mean really make our lives better, are the ones that we seem to hurt the most. And the ones who really are hurting us and leaching off us we seem to put on a pedestal. |
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War_Eagle 8/24/08 1:25:47 AM
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Originally posted by mike470 Mike, 40k a year is excellent for a starting position with no experience. I doubt that is the case unless you have some decent education or live in a large city or an area desperate for teachers. Do you have a Masters in Education? Also, look into DoDDs.
Hey Torak. Like I said, I was just speaking to a new teacher abnout it (just got married to my cousin, to be exact). Anyway, I didn't really ask him about his degree, jobs just came up and I recall him saying he had an option to make 42k a year starting out. Also, my memory isn't very good, I could have remembered wrong (which seems to be the case). I believe 30k for a beginning teacher is low though. Just my opinion though. -Mike That salary all depends upon where you are living. The cost of living varies tremendously from one place to another. Where I live in Alabama, a person can live on 42k pretty darn well. But the teachers here do not make nearly that much, even the experienced ones don't make close to that. Actually, hardly anyone in Alabama makes 42k a year doing anything. That kind of salary is huge in this state. You've got to at least allow the teachers to live in the neighborhoods they teach in. And I don't think they should have to eat pork and beans every night. I think they should be able to live a pretty comfortable life. They are college grads who have to meet annual state criteria in a certified position. I don't know too many people who have the welfare of 140+ kids on their shoulders each year. That takes a big heart along with a huge brain and will power! |
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Torak 8/24/08 3:11:40 AM
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Originally posted by War_Eagle Mike, 40k a year is excellent for a starting position with no experience. I doubt that is the case unless you have some decent education or live in a large city or an area desperate for teachers. Do you have a Masters in Education? Also, look into DoDDs.
Hey Torak. Like I said, I was just speaking to a new teacher abnout it (just got married to my cousin, to be exact). Anyway, I didn't really ask him about his degree, jobs just came up and I recall him saying he had an option to make 42k a year starting out. Also, my memory isn't very good, I could have remembered wrong (which seems to be the case). I believe 30k for a beginning teacher is low though. Just my opinion though. -Mike That salary all depends upon where you are living. The cost of living varies tremendously from one place to another. Where I live in Alabama, a person can live on 42k pretty darn well. But the teachers here do not make nearly that much, even the experienced ones don't make close to that. Actually, hardly anyone in Alabama makes 42k a year doing anything. That kind of salary is huge in this state. You've got to at least allow the teachers to live in the neighborhoods they teach in. And I don't think they should have to eat pork and beans every night. I think they should be able to live a pretty comfortable life. They are college grads who have to meet annual state criteria in a certified position. I don't know too many people who have the welfare of 140+ kids on their shoulders each year. That takes a big heart along with a huge brain and will power!
Dunno, from what I understand teachers are hired/paid by whatever community they work in and salaries vary greatly depending on the local cost of living, local tax rates and how much the local government dedicates to education. I know a few Chicago teachers and a few DoDDs teachers. All do pretty well. But if you are looking to just walk into a job making 40k+ a year fresh out of school in your 20's with zero experience and some generic 4 year college degree, let me know where you start working because folks like that a dime a dozen. And most importantly, will you enjoy teaching? What level of teaching? Gradeschool, high school, college? If all you are looking at is money, you may want to consider something else. Teaching requires a pretty high degree of dedication, empathy & patience. Money is nice but in the long haul, if you don't enjoy what you are doing, you won't last long no matter what career it is.
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Nierro 8/24/08 3:30:51 AM
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My aunt is a teacher and so is my uncle. My aunt and my uncle are among the most bitter people I know. Even a little racist at times. They've both been teaching a LONG time, and they both complain about it constantly. Maybe it's because they teach inner-city kids (middle school or high school, I forget which), but maybe it's just teaching in general. A friend of my friend is in college to become a k-12 teacher and she's spent a lot of time in the classroom with actual teachers, and seems to love it. This is how I see it : It's tough. The politics, the students, the requirements, the stress, the extra hours with no pay.. all that with a baby on the way . But potentially changing the lives of our kids and inspiring them to do great things.. is putting an incredible amount back into the community and gives you a strong sense of pride about your job. Unless you have saint-like patience, a deep love for teaching that has been with you a long while, and willingness to forsake a lot of your free time.. I seriously would NOT recommend becoming a teacher. But if you're unique enough to accept all of those downsides for strengthening the community and making poor to decent to good pay... I WOULD say you would make a good teacher. I'd watch a documentary called "Chalk". It's basically "A high school experience, told from the educators' point-of-view.". It's really funny, got good reviews.. also it kinda provided some insight into what it's like to be a high school teacher. Good luck
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DeserttFoxx 8/24/08 5:34:39 AM
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Same thing goes for being a police officer, soemthing ilooked into. It seems any public servant career isnt worth the money. |
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Thoric485 8/24/08 9:32:59 AM
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