Star Wars Galaxies

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Originally posted by Rollotamasi

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Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by Rollotamasi
Vets seem to have a hard time seeing the diference between "People that support the NGE/SOE" and people that "Just don't care about it anymore".  It seems that most vets seem to think that if you don't think like they do (Nothing but hate for SOE) then they are the enemy and don't agree with them.  I would venture a guess that if you put a poll on this site that simply asked "Do you think vets got screwed by SOE/NGE?" the vast majority of people would say they think you got screwed.  The problem now isn't that  a large group of people support what SOE did, It's that they are just sick of hearing about it/don't think it is that big of a deal anymore.  The vets that are still screaming about it come off looking like a bunch of whack jobs.  When people say "Get over it" That doesn't mean "We love SOE and the NGE!!!"  It means "Yes, you got screwed and the NGE sucks but good god give it a rest."

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Your position is blatantly self-contradictory, and collapses in on itself, then drowns in a sea of unreason.
If you don't care about it anymore, then you have no reason to post ANYTHING, let alone "get over it." The only logical reason for posting such things would have to be that you are an active supporter of the NGE or SWG and consider yourself part of a campaign to fight the vets in viral marketing war.

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This is a PERFECT example.  I think the vets got screwed in the NGE and by SOE.  However, because my line of thinking isn't the same as this guys, I am viral marketer and support the NGE/SOE.  You guys must all work for the US Government. Your either with us, or your a terrorist.  Question us and you are a enemy of the state.   If your are not one, You MUST be the other.
 
You put togother a snazzy and interesting intial statement to try to show how I am illogical and I fail at reason but lets examine that for a second.  Your line of reasoning is that because I do not support the vets, I support SOE.  Before you start slinging comments about logic and reason you may want to actually KNOW something about logic and reason.  If you DID, you would see the glaring flaw in your arguement.  What you commited is called a fallacy.  Do a little research and you may figure out which one.

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Wow. You completely missed my point, and here I was trying to be as obvious as possible. No matter, I'll explain it again, this time hopefully it'll be a BIT more clear fro you.

YOU said you didn't care about it any more, yet you posted here, and with quite a bit of venom and a nasty tone, which means you DO in fact care enough to do THAT. Why is it that you are so sick of people who feel a certain way about something that you have to post here on it?

that is a blatant self contradiction. If you did not care, you would not post, yet you post, with much anger, that you do not care. That makes no sense. Now, I can't fathom a single rational reason that a person would so such a thing unless they were perhaps part of the viral marketing campaign that, if you read the official boards, you know is going on. I am not falling into any fallacy here at all, since I am open to alternative possibilities, as I expressed in my language -- I merely can't fathom YOUR motivation, and as such I put forward what is the most likely one.

Please, since you accused me of a fallacy, explain which one I fell into, and how I did. I am fairly well versed with the rules of logic and discourse and I can't see where I did that. Drawing an incorrect inference is anything but a fallacy; if I in fact drew an incorrect inference, and you are not what I think you are, then please DO explain how you can not care about something, yet post on it, WHY you have done so, and WHY you have posted with so much venom as well as your own quick-judgement inferences (which is OBVIOUSLY WHY I did the same to you. The real amusing part is you didn't even realize I was doing that). No matter, I respectfully ask you to CORRECT me where I was wrong so I may grow.

What is my fallacy and please explain how did I fall into it?

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by Rollotamasi

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Originally posted by Fishermage

 

 

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Originally posted by Rollotamasi
Vets seem to have a hard time seeing the diference between "People that support the NGE/SOE" and people that "Just don't care about it anymore".  It seems that most vets seem to think that if you don't think like they do (Nothing but hate for SOE) then they are the enemy and don't agree with them.  I would venture a guess that if you put a poll on this site that simply asked "Do you think vets got screwed by SOE/NGE?" the vast majority of people would say they think you got screwed.  The problem now isn't that  a large group of people support what SOE did, It's that they are just sick of hearing about it/don't think it is that big of a deal anymore.  The vets that are still screaming about it come off looking like a bunch of whack jobs.  When people say "Get over it" That doesn't mean "We love SOE and the NGE!!!"  It means "Yes, you got screwed and the NGE sucks but good god give it a rest."

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Your position is blatantly self-contradictory, and collapses in on itself, then drowns in a sea of unreason.
If you don't care about it anymore, then you have no reason to post ANYTHING, let alone "get over it." The only logical reason for posting such things would have to be that you are an active supporter of the NGE or SWG and consider yourself part of a campaign to fight the vets in viral marketing war.

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This is a PERFECT example.  I think the vets got screwed in the NGE and by SOE.  However, because my line of thinking isn't the same as this guys, I am viral marketer and support the NGE/SOE.  You guys must all work for the US Government. Your either with us, or your a terrorist.  Question us and you are a enemy of the state.   If your are not one, You MUST be the other.
 
You put togother a snazzy and interesting intial statement to try to show how I am illogical and I fail at reason but lets examine that for a second.  Your line of reasoning is that because I do not support the vets, I support SOE.  Before you start slinging comments about logic and reason you may want to actually KNOW something about logic and reason.  If you DID, you would see the glaring flaw in your arguement.  What you commited is called a fallacy.  Do a little research and you may figure out which one.

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Wow. You completely missed my point, and here I was trying to be as obvious as possible. No matter, I'll explain it again, this time hopefully it'll be a BIT more clear fro you.

YOU said you didn't care about it any more, yet you posted here, and with quite a bit of venom and a nasty tone, which means you DO in fact care enough to do THAT. Why is it that you are so sick of people who feel a certain way about something that you have to post here on it?

that is a blatant self contradiction. If you did not care, you would not post, yet you post, with much anger, that you do not care. That makes no sense. Now, I can't fathom a single rational reason that a person would so such a thing unless they were perhaps part of the viral marketing campaign that, if you read the official boards, you know is going on. I am not falling into any fallacy here at all, since I am open to alternative possibilities, as I expressed in my language -- I merely can't fathom YOUR motivation, and as such I put forward what is the most likely one.

Please, since you accused me of a fallacy, explain which one I fell into, and how I did. I am fairly well versed with the rules of logic and discourse and I can't see where I did that. Drawing an incorrect inference is anything but a fallacy; if I in fact drew an incorrect inference, and you are not what I think you are, then please DO explain how you can not care about something, yet post on it, WHY you have done so, and WHY you have posted with so much venom as well as your own quick-judgement inferences (which is OBVIOUSLY WHY I did the same to you. The real amusing part is you didn't even realize I was doing that). No matter, I respectfully ask you to CORRECT me where I was wrong so I may grow.

What is my fallacy and please explain how did I fall into it?

There are many things on this board that I do not "care" about that I post on anyway.  I never played vanguard and did not follow the development of it, but when everyone was heckling the playerbase I made a few posts akin to "For god sakes let the people play their game".  I did'nt care about vanguard yet I still posted.  I contribute to plenty of threads on games I don't care about. 

As far as the fallacy issues goes I am not going to continue that conversation because if you were indeed "fairly well versed with the rules of logic and discourse"  You wouldn't have to ask.  This leads me to belive you just think you are smarter then you actually are and I try to avoid getting into debates with those types of people. 

Edit.  On second thought I am installing final cut pro which is 8 bloody disks so I have a bit of time to explain this.  The statement "The only logical reason for posting such things would have to be that you are an active supporter of the NGE or SWG and consider yourself part of a campaign to fight the vets in viral marketing war."  Now, you tried to balance that in a later post by saying "I am not falling into any fallacy here at all, since I am open to alternative possibilities, as I expressed in my language -- I merely can't fathom YOUR motivation, and as such I put forward what is the most likely one."

The problem is that your initial statement wasnt that "It is likley" that I am a viral marketer or "Possible".  You also didn't say anything about being open to other posibilities.  You didn't say anything like "He could just be an @sshole, but he's more then likley a viral marketer...)  You said  "The ONLY logical reason...)  

As far as why I post in threads related to SWG.   It is a topic of interest in the MMO community.  I have a job that is mostly down time until something breaks so I spend a lot of time on the web.  MMORPG.com, gamespot, etc.   I post in a pretty decent amount of threads.  Sometimes threads of interest pop up in forums of games I have no real interest in, such as SWG.  While I have no interest in the GAME that doesnt mean I don't have a interest in the players and problems surrouding it because it impacts the MMO industry as a whole. 

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Originally posted by Rollotamasi

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Originally posted by SioBabble

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Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Vets seem to have a hard time seeing the diference between "People that support the NGE/SOE" and people that "Just don't care about it anymore".  It seems that most vets seem to think that if you don't think like they do (Nothing but hate for SOE) then they are the enemy and don't agree with them.  I would venture a guess that if you put a poll on this site that simply asked "Do you think vets got screwed by SOE/NGE?" the vast majority of people would say they think you got screwed.  The problem now isn't that  a large group of people support what SOE did, It's that they are just sick of hearing about it/don't think it is that big of a deal anymore.  The vets that are still screaming about it come off looking like a bunch of whack jobs.  When people say "Get over it" That doesn't mean "We love SOE and the NGE!!!"  It means "Yes, you got screwed and the NGE sucks but good god give it a rest."

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Then we've got people like you who insist to telling people to "get over it".  Again and again and again.
So, get over getting over it, already.
 

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My mother once asked me after I used that age old argument "But everyone else is doing it!!" "If everyone else was jumping off a building, would you jump as well?"
I responded "Not immediately, But I would  defenitely investigate to see WHY everyone was jumping off the building."

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what is odd is there is no "everyone" who is doing anything, and no one said "everyone" is doing anything. There are two groups, both small: group one is a small group of people who haven't "gotten over it" (sorta, that's not really true but for the sake of argument I'll grant that to you), but there is a much smaller group (group two) who can't get over people not getting over it.

Group one has some sense behind it -- something happened to them that they were not happy about, and they still comment on it. The second group however, the people who can't handle people who haven't gotten over it -- hold a completely absurd position.

For whatever reason, they act out from simply the desire to make others shut up. Either those people are just plain mean and nasty, or it is their interest to make these people shut up. None if it makes any sense unless they are part of the player or SOE generated viral marketing campaign.

When a nornal person is sick of something, they leave it behind. Only very odd people spend time attacking the thing they are sick of. I love ice cream, but every once in awhile I have so much ice cream I get sick of it and I don't even want to look at ice cream. I certainly don't go to ice cream shops and berate the people there. I simply do and enjoy other things.

People only attack other people over things that matter to them (unless of course they are just mean people who enjoy hurting others or have a serious case of schadenfreude). THAT is the curious part of this whole debate. One group CLAIMS something doesn't matter to them, yet they come here and attack the people for whom it matters. Strange.

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by Rollotamasi

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Originally posted by SioBabble

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Originally posted by Rollotamasi

 

Vets seem to have a hard time seeing the diference between "People that support the NGE/SOE" and people that "Just don't care about it anymore".  It seems that most vets seem to think that if you don't think like they do (Nothing but hate for SOE) then they are the enemy and don't agree with them.  I would venture a guess that if you put a poll on this site that simply asked "Do you think vets got screwed by SOE/NGE?" the vast majority of people would say they think you got screwed.  The problem now isn't that  a large group of people support what SOE did, It's that they are just sick of hearing about it/don't think it is that big of a deal anymore.  The vets that are still screaming about it come off looking like a bunch of whack jobs.  When people say "Get over it" That doesn't mean "We love SOE and the NGE!!!"  It means "Yes, you got screwed and the NGE sucks but good god give it a rest."

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Then we've got people like you who insist to telling people to "get over it".  Again and again and again.
So, get over getting over it, already.
 

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My mother once asked me after I used that age old argument "But everyone else is doing it!!" "If everyone else was jumping off a building, would you jump as well?"
I responded "Not immediately, But I would  defenitely investigate to see WHY everyone was jumping off the building."

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what is odd is there is no "everyone" who is doing anything, and no one said "everyone" is doing anything. There are two groups, both small: group one is a small group of people who haven't "gotten over it" (sorta, that's not really true but for the sake of argument I'll grant that to you), but there is a much smaller group (group two) who can't get over people not getting over it.

Group one has some sense behind it -- something happened to them that they were not happy about, and they still comment on it. The second group however, the people who can't handle people who haven't gotten over it -- hold a completely absurd position.

For whatever reason, they act out from simply the desire to make others shut up. Either those people are just plain mean and nasty, or it is their interest to make these people shut up. None if it makes any sense unless they are part of the player or SOE generated viral marketing campaign.

When a nornal person is sick of something, they leave it behind. Only very odd people spend time attacking the thing they are sick of. I love ice cream, but every once in awhile I have so much ice cream I get sick of it and I don't even want to look at ice cream. I certainly don't go to ice cream shops and berate the people there. I simply do and enjoy other things.

People only attack other people over things that matter to them (unless of course they are just mean people who enjoy hurting others or have a serious case of schadenfreude). THAT is the curious part of this whole debate. One group CLAIMS something doesn't matter to them, yet they come here and attack the people for whom it matters. Strange.

 

Not necessarily. There are, believe it or not, actually some genuine SWG fans out there, who simply dont like seeing people throwing abuse at their game, or who worry that all the flames from the haters will convince their fellow gamers to quit, and for no new people to sign up and try it.

Its the same with any game, people will defend what they enjoy and spend time on, and it doesnt mean they work for SOE or are part of some "pre made customer viral campaign" or wierd SWG cult.

I dont like SWG any more, and wouldnt go back to it if you paid me to, but I do understand that some people do still like it. Even if they are clearly delusional

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Originally posted by jayanti

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Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by Rollotamasi

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Originally posted by SioBabble

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Originally posted by Rollotamasi
 
Vets seem to have a hard time seeing the diference between "People that support the NGE/SOE" and people that "Just don't care about it anymore".  It seems that most vets seem to think that if you don't think like they do (Nothing but hate for SOE) then they are the enemy and don't agree with them.  I would venture a guess that if you put a poll on this site that simply asked "Do you think vets got screwed by SOE/NGE?" the vast majority of people would say they think you got screwed.  The problem now isn't that  a large group of people support what SOE did, It's that they are just sick of hearing about it/don't think it is that big of a deal anymore.  The vets that are still screaming about it come off looking like a bunch of whack jobs.  When people say "Get over it" That doesn't mean "We love SOE and the NGE!!!"  It means "Yes, you got screwed and the NGE sucks but good god give it a rest."

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Then we've got people like you who insist to telling people to "get over it".  Again and again and again.
So, get over getting over it, already.
 

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My mother once asked me after I used that age old argument "But everyone else is doing it!!" "If everyone else was jumping off a building, would you jump as well?"
I responded "Not immediately, But I would  defenitely investigate to see WHY everyone was jumping off the building."

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what is odd is there is no "everyone" who is doing anything, and no one said "everyone" is doing anything. There are two groups, both small: group one is a small group of people who haven't "gotten over it" (sorta, that's not really true but for the sake of argument I'll grant that to you), but there is a much smaller group (group two) who can't get over people not getting over it.
Group one has some sense behind it -- something happened to them that they were not happy about, and they still comment on it. The second group however, the people who can't handle people who haven't gotten over it -- hold a completely absurd position.
For whatever reason, they act out from simply the desire to make others shut up. Either those people are just plain mean and nasty, or it is their interest to make these people shut up. None if it makes any sense unless they are part of the player or SOE generated viral marketing campaign.
When a nornal person is sick of something, they leave it behind. Only very odd people spend time attacking the thing they are sick of. I love ice cream, but every once in awhile I have so much ice cream I get sick of it and I don't even want to look at ice cream. I certainly don't go to ice cream shops and berate the people there. I simply do and enjoy other things.
People only attack other people over things that matter to them (unless of course they are just mean people who enjoy hurting others or have a serious case of schadenfreude). THAT is the curious part of this whole debate. One group CLAIMS something doesn't matter to them, yet they come here and attack the people for whom it matters. Strange.
 

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Not necessarily. There are, believe it or not, actually some genuine SWG fans out there, who simply dont like seeing people throwing abuse at their game, or who worry that all the flames from the haters will convince their fellow gamers to quit, and for no new people to sign up and try it.
Its the same with any game, people will defend what they enjoy and spend time on, and it doesnt mean they work for SOE or are part of some "pre made customer viral campaign" or wierd SWG cult.
I dont like SWG any more, and wouldnt go back to it if you paid me to, but I do understand that some people do still like it. Even if they are clearly delusional

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So you are saying these people love a game so much that they need to attack people who don't like it? That seems far less rational than the people who "throw abuse at their game."

To love a game so much that you are willing to stifle the speech of others, and need to attack them to do so. Hmmm. Interesting. To love a game more than human liberty. Such alien thoughts to my worldview.