ok... i was about 70% sure about playing a rune priest... after reading this i'm kinda 95% sure i want to play one... i played healers since around 2002 in mmorpgs... not long... but not short either... but i just love doing it.... and when i dont have a heal on a class it doesn't feel right...

Now i've been in a few scenarios before preview... and i didn't try in preview since i was testing some alts and had some RL issues but i'll try soon... point is... i loved the first dwarf scenario... since 99% of what i do is get to a high spot and then hot everyone who is not on 100% and heal everyone who's going critical... i almost never get time to dps... since there's always someone running around with low hp... and you know what? i LOVE to play that way... when i have time, i'll cast a dot... but RPs and Zeals are almost pure healers and should be played like that in a team... scenario, rvr, pq or just plain teaming...

i'm looking forward to healing you all soon... (ask a ninja pun not intended) ^^

PRO, I agree with you whole hardedly on the healer calss.  I have not played WAR and was looking at going to be a tank or blaster, know I am looking at going Zeal.  From what I have read not many people are healers in WAR and that will make my job that much more important.

I was thinking of creating a Healer only guild so everyone knows when we get on the battlefield that we will do our job and not try to be something that we are not. 

I pretty much had the same experience the OP did.  That is why my main is going to be a zealot come release.

But tbh, theres a huge group of new players who don't really understand the importance of healing %90 of the time and dpsing %10 of the time.  Hell, if I found a healer that only healed %50 of the time, I wouldn't mind (too much atleast). 

Most players just do not know how to play the game well, but that will change. 

I also think that many players get it in their head, based on mythic saying that war's healers will be dpsing a lot more then classic healers, that they can just dps the majority of the time and only heal themselves or maybe one other person.

Originally posted by darwinator

PRO, I agree with you whole hardedly on the healer calss.  I have not played WAR and was looking at going to be a tank or blaster, know I am looking at going Zeal.  From what I have read not many people are healers in WAR and that will make my job that much more important.

I was thinking of creating a Healer only guild so everyone knows when we get on the battlefield that we will do our job and not try to be something that we are not. 

Good healers are a rare breed.  I am one of them. No class is a mystery to me givin a few hrs . The rest is learned over many years and not just from one game.

There is a lot to heal in scenarios tho... usualy i get around 5k-10k healing done in one scenario... and pre-preview sometimes i wasnt even #1 on healing... i was #2 or #3... and i seen one guy come up with 15k once while my record is around 11k i think...

and also... in scenarios, when i play a healer class and go around actually healing i notice we win... while when i play a dps class we usualy loose... no, prolly it's not ME who's tipping the scale here... but a healer and tank played well in war's pvp make a HUGE difference... trust me on that one...

Not having read any of the replies.

@OP: If you feel that in an MMO/the groups you're in healing/tanking/support is sub par or not doing it's job, and they're not part of your guild, feel free to ditch your uber dps/solo wtfpwner and start playing a healer/tank/support.

Originally posted by Monorojo

So i play a glass cannon, and have for several months now. One of the constants that I have ran into in scenarios and most open-world RvR events is that most healers simply do not heal. I do not understand why this is really. Warrior Priests (being insanely OP'd right now) seem to just jump into a crowd of 5-6 destro's and tear the place apart. DoKs are far more inclined to dish out pain than throw a heal to a Sorc standing right next to them.
 

Do these healers not realize they easily land #1 in PQs if you team with a DPS (especially a Sorc or BW with max darkmagic) and healhealheal? Do these healers not realize they get renown and XP in scenarios for healing?

 

I constantly see myself getting attacked, running back in front of a healer, and instead of healing....he attacks the guy who is pummeling me or simply ignored me. This often leads to death. I understand that healers are meant to do some damage as well, but PLEASE GOD for your own benefit and ours do your freakin job. Heal damn it, heal!

For a Warrior Priest to heal he must have " Righteous Fury " built up. To keep it steadily built up they must use their offensive abilities of course you'd know that if you studied up on the class a little better, anyhow if we don't keep dishing out offense you only get limited heals. Also most of the WarPriest's heals are HoT so if you're being focus fired by enemies they don't help that much. As for overpowered I've never had that much trouble taking them down, and as a WarPriest I've been torn apart by enemies many times.

Edit: just to add and anyone who has experienced DoK feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they work in a similar fashion to what I described above. The only dedicated healers as far as I know are RunePriest and Zealot.
 

Originally posted by Shard101

Originally posted by darwinator

PRO, I agree with you whole hardedly on the healer calss.  I have not played WAR and was looking at going to be a tank or blaster, know I am looking at going Zeal.  From what I have read not many people are healers in WAR and that will make my job that much more important.

I was thinking of creating a Healer only guild so everyone knows when we get on the battlefield that we will do our job and not try to be something that we are not. 

 

Good healers are a rare breed.  I am one of them. No class is a mystery to me givin a few hrs . The rest is learned over many years and not just from one game.

Lol so modest....

Anyway back to the original point.  A lot of people playing healers probably don't have their interface set up properly yet so find it harder to identify who needs a heal. and also they don't yet intuitively know what spells to use in a particular situation.  If OP messes his dps rotation up nobody notices, if a healer doesn't use the right heals at the right time people die and start complaining.

some healers in this game demand that you melee to gain energy to heal , also alot of the healers use hots as heal method so that makes melee and healing so much easier imo,

for exemple the dok has a combat move if the team stay within 10 feets they all get healed but most tanks/melee dont know this they just run everwhere exceptercting the healer to follow them everwhere and try stay and range , let not forget this beta and everyone is learning to play all these classes .

i expect this to change when game goes live , reason is that playing pvp with your guild on voice will a totally different experience .

I will defend the healers though because i tried them all in War so far , most of these healers are built in a way that you not only heal but also contribute in dps also even if it's not as much as a pure dps class , but were not a background class or /stick to tank class either respect has to go both ways .

i think mythic wanted this also , no such thing as a pure healer in war .

I heal like there's no tomorrow but then again I just play healers.

i play runepriest and i heal in RvR  i have no question about my role and i knwo what i am doing    the wrst thing is when i see other runepriest trying to DPS  when an ironbreaker is sitting right infront of them at half health..

OP get a set group....only way to make sure you are good on heals and it works great  just wish Order  could hold an objective....

Speaking of not doing the job, I was on my WarPriest this evening RvRing in teir 1 when I get double teamed by a Chosen and a Marauder while a Ironbreaker was standing back using axe throw on the Chosen. Does that mean tanks in general don't tank?

Ive played Rune priest and DoK.  The big problem with healers are the ones who don't pop a regen after battle.  I've run with teams where it seemed like I was the only person popping regens on people after a fight.  I see people waiting patiently to attack but their only at half health.  Then I see 3 DoKs run by them and get slaughtered.

I have also seen my fair share of DPs classe

s running head first into 6 dudes.

If you want to be a ranged dps, just accept that you aren't going to be healed as much as you would like in zerg-like rvr.

If you have a big issue with this, be a healer... go archmage or something.

I see it happening a lot too as a BW, but it honestly doesn't bother me.  I've played healers in other games and understand the reasons why some choose to heal and others don't.

The only time a lack of healing peevs me, is when I put myself in harms way to save a healer only to then become the victim of something I could of survived had I been given one heal.  If a bright wizard breaks off from max range and runs up to fire cage the Marauder wailing on you (rune priests) and then knocks him down with DoT that functions off of incinerate, AND then uses withering heat to let you further escape...don't freaking abandon the BW as he has pretty much blown all his/her CC saving you.

Originally posted by andeemann10

Eventually after being yelled at enough, these people are going to realize maybe they shouldn't be playing one of the few healer classes if they don't want to heal.

This is been happening since day one of these classes being introduced in beta, trust me it's not going to change.

On a note if you are in the Destruction groups the only true healers are Shamans and Zealots (DoK are hybrids). Warrior Priests are also hybrids and most go the DPS line instead of the healing line (as long as they travel with Rune Priests and Arch Mages they will be uber killers "Overlapping small heals with big heals make them unkilleable").

Originally posted by Tonev

Originally posted by andeemann10

Eventually after being yelled at enough, these people are going to realize maybe they shouldn't be playing one of the few healer classes if they don't want to heal.

 

This is been happening since day one of these classes being introduced in beta, trust me it's not going to change.

Exactly......   More fish for us Sharks

Originally posted by Shard101

Originally posted by Tonev

Originally posted by andeemann10

Eventually after being yelled at enough, these people are going to realize maybe they shouldn't be playing one of the few healer classes if they don't want to heal.

 

This is been happening since day one of these classes being introduced in beta, trust me it's not going to change.

 

Exactly......   More fish for us Sharks

Don't really see where you are going with this other than trying to turn this into a flame fest, you don't get any Kudos for stoking the fire Shard.

Originally posted by Tonev

Originally posted by Shard101

Originally posted by Tonev

Originally posted by andeemann10

Eventually after being yelled at enough, these people are going to realize maybe they shouldn't be playing one of the few healer classes if they don't want to heal.

 

This is been happening since day one of these classes being introduced in beta, trust me it's not going to change.

 

Exactly......   More fish for us Sharks

Don't really see where you are going with this other than trying to turn this into a flame fest, you don't get any Kudos for stoking the fire Shard.

Only 4% of the Warhammer Online playerbase won't be fish.

Good luck with that!

Healing is a tough subject. Everyone expects the healer to heal them but in reality healing everyone usually ends with everyone dead since 1 person will be focused and die without a constant stream of heals.

DoK/WP cannot sustain heals unless in melee range OR they use the channel to get more essence to heal. If they channel  most likely you die by the time its done or they cut channel and run out of essence while its on cooldown. If they go into melee generally they get focused and die. Only in low tiers can they survive with 5-6 people on them and ONLY with the top tier of gear. In later levels they splat pretty quick. It takes about 4-5 heals(dots, shields, etc) to run out of essence and most of the time we are spamming them on ourselves to stay alive.

You also probably die to fast for them to 1. recognize you need heals 2. Get a 1-3s heal off.  A hot almost never stops someone from dying. WP/DoK attack to heal. Archmage/shaman attack to heal better/faster, and runepriests/zealots generally healbot the biggest baddest thing on the field.

BTW might I suggest that you do your job and monitor your dark magic so you don't blow yourself up? When I have to stop to heal a sorcerer/bw someone else dies and then complains about no heals. Do these glass cannons not realize they are getting others killed? DO YOUR JOB!