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Originally posted by Pyrostasis

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Originally posted by Monorojo

So i play a glass cannon, and have for several months now. One of the constants that I have ran into in scenarios and most open-world RvR events is that most healers simply do not heal. I do not understand why this is really. Warrior Priests (being insanely OP'd right now) seem to just jump into a crowd of 5-6 destro's and tear the place apart. DoKs are far more inclined to dish out pain than throw a heal to a Sorc standing right next to them.

Do these healers not realize they easily land #1 in PQs if you team with a DPS (especially a Sorc or BW with max darkmagic) and healhealheal? Do these healers not realize they get renown and XP in scenarios for healing?

I constantly see myself getting attacked, running back in front of a healer, and instead of healing....he attacks the guy who is pummeling me or simply ignored me. This often leads to death. I understand that healers are meant to do some damage as well, but PLEASE GOD for your own benefit and ours do your freakin job. Heal damn it, heal!

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I run with a guild group, and occasionally attempt to heal folks outside the group... but most people jump around like fish out of water making it rather tough to attempt to save them.
Not only that... but about the 20th or 30th person who's ass I did manage to save who never said thanks... did start to get old. So I mainly stick with just healing my group.

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The next is not against you:
Are we that far? People take the virtual friendships into release or even from one game to another?
mmh, maybe.
For me it is just "new game = new people, new guild, new enemies". But if there are some people, who see it a bit more... "hardcore" is a nice word.
You can always use it, and people won´t realise the insult. It is like "If you really hate a fat guy, give him something to eat. He even thinks, that he is your friend."

Don't expect classes who aren't rune priests or zealots to heal.

why people get upset about the healers? it happens all the time.

Not Everybody IS a TEAM Player

I remember one time I was playing a paladin in WoW. I was waiting for a BG to start and some idiot was very rude because I didnt buffed him.

If he asked nicely, I would. But I do not play with morons that doesn't have manners.

Originally posted by Herodes

 

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You have a guild? In beta?

 

The next is not against you:
Are we that far? People take the virtual friendships into release or even from one game to another?
mmh, maybe.
For me it is just "new game = new people, new guild, new enemies". But if there are some people, who see it a bit more... "hardcore" is a nice word.

There are a huge amount of guilds in beta, and a good amount outside beta with sites and easily 50+ members. Most good guilds start recruiting far before release to get a dedicated group of players before release. They tend to be the more organized and ready to take on the virtual world.

Originally posted by Monorojo

Originally posted by Herodes

 

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You have a guild? In beta?

 

The next is not against you:
Are we that far? People take the virtual friendships into release or even from one game to another?
mmh, maybe.
For me it is just "new game = new people, new guild, new enemies". But if there are some people, who see it a bit more... "hardcore" is a nice word.

 

There are a huge amount of guilds in beta, and a good amount outside beta with sites and easily 50+ members. Most good guilds start recruiting far before release to get a dedicated group of players before release. They tend to be the more organized and ready to take on the virtual world.

don't forget about the "professional" guilds. The ones that already have a large player base and are involved in many games i.e. PRX, WNX, KAOS etc...

Originally posted by Monorojo

Originally posted by Ghost12

Originally posted by Rayana

Originally posted by sonictmp

Do even half of you guys understand how healers work in this game?

I've been playign a warrior priest. For straight up healing you need righteous fury. We have 3 heals at 10. ! is morale heal for abuot 550. 1minute cooldown. The other two heals are HoTs. They heal slowly, and for not that much. 400 over 15seconds and an instant 100+250 over 9 seconds. They take 30 and 60 RF points. We have a totalt of 250.

 

You know how fast I can drain my RF just by throwing out heals in RVR? You guys also know to build RF back up we need to go melee cause our skills generate RF? Also the fact we have a couple skills that heal our defensive target when we hit an enemy?

 

Seriously make a healer class or two and figure out how they work. It's not your trypical stay int he back and spam press your heal button. You have to be far more active and are required to micromanage combat, healing and targeting like crazy.

 

We are healing, we can't just stand there and spam heals like wow healers can.

 

Quoted for being 'most insightful and accurate post of the whole thread'.

Bump.

Played a priest in WoW, just by the description of this class, WP is nothing like a priest in WoW who spams heals. Get your facts straight about the other classes before you go complaining.

Sigh did you even read the last sentence of the OP? I know how DoKs and WPs heal mechanics work, the simple fact is most simply do not heal. Even in a group, even standing right next to him, waiting 10-15 seconds for a heal as they continue to attack and heal NO ONE. This is not the minority in my experience, it is sadly the majority. I don't know if it's because it's beta, or if it's becuase they think they get more XP/renown/influence, or simply them trying to play outside their role.

 

Also, it's not just WP/DoKs.....

 

Don't take this completely as bitching, it's just expressing what I have seen for the past few months in any PUGs.

 

Oh I did.

How do you know that he isnt healing someone? Are you watching him 24/7 during PvP? You do realize that there are, first of all, other people around you when the RVR is happening, so he could be tossing out a heal when youre concentrating on your next target, and you dont even know about it. Isnt WAR made for large scale battles? Perhaps hes grouped up with other people. Seriously, if youre so pissed off about not getting your healing, play one yourself. Its not easy playing a healer class. And remember, their role is to DPS to build up, and then use those points. If anything, they could be using it on themselves as well.

You didnt specify if they were in groups with you. If they were in a group with you and they still arent healing you, well, then thats a totally different story.

heh, this post caught my eye after the past few days from when I play my healer.  Back in the CB, had no problems playing my healer and coming out on top whether it be RVR, PVE, or a Scenario.  I see a lot of people in the last rush of players who truly do NOT know how to play a healer, and I am with the OP in that regard.  I ALMOST say a majority of the people do not know what they are doing with them (The newer people, not the vets who have gotten in to the groove of them) 

Edit:  This post got a little longer than I expected, and I am NOT pointing fingers at the OP, nor =anyone else!  Just some thoughts.  Sorry it got so long!  I hate pointless verbosity.  hope I made enough points! ;)

Now, THAT said please do not take offense OP or others who jump on the bandwagon.  As I stated, I do agree with you of late.  A few things to consider. 

1, some of the people ARE new to the class and have to get a feel for it.  The people jumping into Scenarios too quickly and them being over so fast are not getting a feel for how to play the healing classes of WAR (More specifically RVR) as it is a bit different than the way they are played in PVE.  So I will give them SOME slack for being new and learning. 

2, a lot of people who play healers gravitate to tanks, and melee classes as who they heal.  In PAST MMO experiences it has been pointless to concentrate heals on anything but "YOUR" tank in a lot of instances.  People have to break that mold.  This game helps a lot and people have to learn it.  This is not <Insert past MMO> where people are constantly 1-2 shotted if they are not in plate armor.  Keep your OTHER group mates alive also and you will prosper. 

3, it is more often the trend of people such as the OP (Not pointing a finger at YOU, saying people like you) who do not get heals when they want them, or expect they should get them to start yelling at the healers, or swear at healers, or the ever dependable "Why don't any of the F%&ing healers heal" Erm, that happened to me this past... yesterday!  Look at my stats, and you see ALL I have done is heal.  It has not been you, because there are 11 OTHER people in the scenario (As example) who need a heal also, and I am the ONE healer.  The first time you say to me as a healer "Give me a F%$#ing heal" will be the last time I heal you.  Do not talk to me that way.  I have done nothing BUT heal and guess what, I am that ONE player in the match who gets higher rating than you.  Or the ONE player in that PQ who has been rated higher than you.  Just because YOU did not get a heal when YOU wanted one is not MY problem.  If you do not like being so fragile, go roll an armor wearing class instead of a robe wearer.  If you do not like that *I* am the only healer in the match, go roll a healer.  I healed 11 people OTHER than myself.  I will more often focus so much on keeping my group alive that I die myself because...

4, As a healer, everyone wants a heal.  Those SAME people are busy DPSing whatever target they want to and not noticing that there are two guys beating on ME because they know I am keeping the rest of the group alive.  So everyone starts yelling they want a heal, meanwhile I am dumping as mush HPS out as I can but am not seeing a most people run to me to keep ME alive.  Not gonna say "No one does it" coz that would make me a hypocrit, and I do not believe that way.  There ARE some people who try to keep the healer alive, just like the healer tries to keep others alive while those others do nothing but try to keep the enemy dead and feel that coz they did not roll a healer it is not their job to keep anyone alive.  Guess what?  If you want to be kept alive, keep the healer alive!  And that brings us to

5, Again, along with the person who swears at me to heal THEM because they are so important (Guess what, I am playing with friends and family, you are NOT that important to me unless you become my friend also) there is the person who thinks the BEST way to get a heal when they are being attacked is to run and jump in front of the healer.  WRONG!  As stated, it is not that I am not healing people, I am dumping my life blood into everyone elses survivability.  I have not gotten to YOU yet because you are number 5 in the list of 11 I am healing right now.  When you run back to me and jump around thinking that is gonna get you a heal, guess what, as soon as you die, the guy that was beating on you needs a new target.  That means... ME!  So what do I as a healer see?  Someone who got into a fight they could not handle, and brings the guy straight to me next.  You die, and they turn to beat on ME!  Not because I was not doing my job as a healer, but because I did not make YOU my priority.  Now how do I remember this situation?  Not as someone who needed a heal.  Some idiot who does not know the LAST thing you do is drag aggro over a healer.  That is not ME not knowing how to play.  That is YOU not knowing how to play.

6. So last thing to consider (dinner is ready, and then I am going back to play WAR.  Had a few moments and this post caught my eye) if you want a healer, make a friend.  If you don't make friends or need a random healer, simply ask for a heal.  TALK to a healer and let them know you have a plan that will work!  If you yell or swear at a healer, or tell them how much they suck just because you bit off more than you could chew they won't heal you in future.  Healers have a LONG memory.  they have to, to know who is next on list of people to heal. ;)  Another good way to make a healer your friend, when Asshat over here drags someone over the healer and leaves them for dead, do something to keep the HEALER alive, and I PROMISE you the healer will remember  that and turn to keep YOU alive... if the healer does not fit into that original classification of people who do not know how to play.

Since I have posted a big defense of the healers, I will end by stating ANOTHER thing that happened to me yesterday.  When I moved over to playing a class other than healer (A different play session a couple hours later) I was engaged in some open RVR.  Taking some flags.  I was out peeling away guards, and a runepriest had shown up, at a capture point and got down to the last guard, the Hero.  I was mid fight against him and another mob spawns.  It is right on the priest and I know without the priest I am gonna die.  I can make short work of the lesser mob and resume tearing into the Hero right?  I do.  Get down to the end, last 3 seconds of the Hero's life, I die.  Would not have happened if I had not peeled the mob off of the priest, but I knew that going into it and figured I had a priest there, so no big deal.  I bit off more than I could chew, and I died.  That was not the healers fault.  However, then the healer started to run off and go join some battle that was waging in the distance.  I ask the healer for a rez... no rez, no response.  Healer was still in sight, battle ended... no rez, no response.  Being that I play a healer also, I know well who can and can not rez.  Another healer nearby running past, shoot them a tell.  No Rez.  No response.  THESE are the healers that should go to hell.  Not fighting, not busy, just incompetent.  At the very least respond "No, sorry.  Thanks for pulling that mob off of me, now I am not gonna Rez you"  Thanks for the response? 

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Originally posted by synn

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Originally posted by Monorojo

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Originally posted by Herodes

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You have a guild? In beta?

The next is not against you:
Are we that far? People take the virtual friendships into release or even from one game to another?
mmh, maybe.
For me it is just "new game = new people, new guild, new enemies". But if there are some people, who see it a bit more... "hardcore" is a nice word.

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There are a huge amount of guilds in beta, and a good amount outside beta with sites and easily 50+ members. Most good guilds start recruiting far before release to get a dedicated group of players before release. They tend to be the more organized and ready to take on the virtual world.

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don't forget about the "professional" guilds. The ones that already have a large player base and are involved in many games i.e. PRX, WNX, KAOS etc...

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I don't play WAR but I do normally play healers in other games.

I must say that with healing it's a 2 way street.

If someones specced for healing and is actually healing the group then you dps / tanking people need to realise that part of your job is to protect the healer from the enemy. 

Too many times people expect heals and give nothing in return, you spend an entire match healing the group and then when a 7 foot dps specced orc runs up and starts pummeling the healer what do these people do? Absolutely nothing!

Do they help by killing / cc'ing the offending enemy who dares to mess with their life giving healer, no they just run off and do their own thing and then complain about "not getting healed".

Assuming that things don't drastically change at higher levels, then healing WILL become more frequent at higher levels as things get more serious. It's just TOO powerful not to be used, I can see organized groups using stacking up on certain abilities and combinations in order to gain a considerable advantage over their opponents in the scenarios.

- And no, you don't have to heal only because you rolled what you consider to be a healing class. The fact that they can DPS proves you very wrong, now doesn't it? As for WP's they're not that great, bright wizards however can dominate a battlefield, especially when paired up with other bright wizards.

Originally posted by Fikroc

There are some people (including myself) that got pissed off enough to roll up a runie after being grouped with 3 and not recieving one heal... problem I was thinking is they get so caught up trying to do their shit DDs they forget their main purpose in the group... at that point imho you deserve to lose. Once the game is live and you can keep up with guilds and friends and not worry about the char wipe you can recruit some great healers.

Edit - Also for new healers, go to the options on the dispaly and turn on health bars above names. Also in scenarios it helps a TON to turn on the raid group window and use that instead for everyone in the BG. It's so much more effective than focusing on your group alone. The health bars over names is great for the spur of the moment skirmishes where you can visually see the fight infront of you and choose who needs healing mainly.

There are a lot of tricks, the game is still new and i'm hoping people will learn with time. WoW just ruined the group mindset for most people that had it as their first MMO.

How do you turn raid group on in scenario?????

Originally posted by Blodpls

I don't play WAR but I do normally play healers in other games.

I must say that with healing it's a 2 way street.

If someones specced for healing and is actually healing the group then you dps / tanking people need to realise that part of your job is to protect the healer from the enemy. 

Too many times people expect heals and give nothing in return, you spend an entire match healing the group and then when a 7 foot dps specced orc runs up and starts pummeling the healer what do these people do? Absolutely nothing!

Do they help by killing / cc'ing the offending enemy who dares to mess with their life giving healer, no they just run off and do their own thing and then complain about "not getting healed".

 

 

You, sir, are my new hero...

Originally posted by Philss

Originally posted by Fikroc

There are some people (including myself) that got pissed off enough to roll up a runie after being grouped with 3 and not recieving one heal... problem I was thinking is they get so caught up trying to do their shit DDs they forget their main purpose in the group... at that point imho you deserve to lose. Once the game is live and you can keep up with guilds and friends and not worry about the char wipe you can recruit some great healers.

Edit - Also for new healers, go to the options on the dispaly and turn on health bars above names. Also in scenarios it helps a TON to turn on the raid group window and use that instead for everyone in the BG. It's so much more effective than focusing on your group alone. The health bars over names is great for the spur of the moment skirmishes where you can visually see the fight infront of you and choose who needs healing mainly.

There are a lot of tricks, the game is still new and i'm hoping people will learn with time. WoW just ruined the group mindset for most people that had it as their first MMO.

 

How do you turn raid group on in scenario?????

Everytime I joined in and zoned it would have a pop up window showing all of the parties and where u could join. Up by the title there is a square checkmark box. I just checked it and it'd put a group window for that party. I would check the ones that had people and roll. The problem I was finding is u have to do that every time. They haven't set it to remember previous settings yet (besides location that you move the actual bars to). Hope that helps =)

Edit - Also there is a button on the radar circle after you close the intitial pop up. I think its on the W side.

Originally posted by Blodpls

I don't play WAR but I do normally play healers in other games.

I must say that with healing it's a 2 way street.

If someones specced for healing and is actually healing the group then you dps / tanking people need to realise that part of your job is to protect the healer from the enemy. 

Too many times people expect heals and give nothing in return, you spend an entire match healing the group and then when a 7 foot dps specced orc runs up and starts pummeling the healer what do these people do? Absolutely nothing!

Do they help by killing / cc'ing the offending enemy who dares to mess with their life giving healer, no they just run off and do their own thing and then complain about "not getting healed".

 

 

Agreed.  That is one of the major points I made in my long rant a few posts above yours.  People think healers are there to help them, but no one wants to help the healers.  I already went on a long rant about it tho, so I won't do it again!

Might be kinda shitty but if I have a melee on me and i'm kiting (helps a ton! use line of sight to your advantage, also terrain) I just focus healing myself or other healers. Jumping up and down infront of a tank too and blocking them sometims gets people's attention.

Originally posted by Sunder

Originally posted by Blodpls

I don't play WAR but I do normally play healers in other games.

I must say that with healing it's a 2 way street.

If someones specced for healing and is actually healing the group then you dps / tanking people need to realise that part of your job is to protect the healer from the enemy. 

Too many times people expect heals and give nothing in return, you spend an entire match healing the group and then when a 7 foot dps specced orc runs up and starts pummeling the healer what do these people do? Absolutely nothing!

Do they help by killing / cc'ing the offending enemy who dares to mess with their life giving healer, no they just run off and do their own thing and then complain about "not getting healed".

 

 

 

Agreed.  That is one of the major points I made in my long rant a few posts above yours.  People think healers are there to help them, but no one wants to help the healers.  I already went on a long rant about it tho, so I won't do it again!

 

Yup been there. That's why I don't play healers. To many people want to zerg, expect you to be their personal slave, totally ignore the rest of the group.
 

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

While i agree with you that healers need to take more active role in RvR, lets face it, fighting is more fun than playing heal bot...and the way RvR is going, everyone will need a heal every other second.

WAR would be more fun if healing powers didnt exist... it would make the battles more fun and productive.

Finally, the sad thing about PQs is that in order to get number 1 on everything...heres my lil secret, throw dots on everything that moves. Tab + DOT hotkey + Tab + DOT ...ect. Its very easy getting #1. I have yet to see an active healer get close to 1 without throwing out dots or curses left and right, regardless of your class.

Its beta madness.. Just wait till release and see how many healers are in the right hands...

Players that live for RVR and have done it for many years together.  Its gonna be the same as in DAoC.

The PUGS will have crap healers and people will be whining alot.

12man gank grps are gonna be so fun!

Originally posted by Herodes

 

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Originally posted by Pyrostasis

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Originally posted by Monorojo

 

So i play a glass cannon, and have for several months now. One of the constants that I have ran into in scenarios and most open-world RvR events is that most healers simply do not heal. I do not understand why this is really. Warrior Priests (being insanely OP'd right now) seem to just jump into a crowd of 5-6 destro's and tear the place apart. DoKs are far more inclined to dish out pain than throw a heal to a Sorc standing right next to them.

Do these healers not realize they easily land #1 in PQs if you team with a DPS (especially a Sorc or BW with max darkmagic) and healhealheal? Do these healers not realize they get renown and XP in scenarios for healing?

I constantly see myself getting attacked, running back in front of a healer, and instead of healing....he attacks the guy who is pummeling me or simply ignored me. This often leads to death. I understand that healers are meant to do some damage as well, but PLEASE GOD for your own benefit and ours do your freakin job. Heal damn it, heal!

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I run with a guild group, and occasionally attempt to heal folks outside the group... but most people jump around like fish out of water making it rather tough to attempt to save them.
Not only that... but about the 20th or 30th person who's ass I did manage to save who never said thanks... did start to get old. So I mainly stick with just healing my group.

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You have a guild? In beta?

 

The next is not against you:
Are we that far? People take the virtual friendships into release or even from one game to another?
mmh, maybe.
For me it is just "new game = new people, new guild, new enemies". But if there are some people, who see it a bit more... "hardcore" is a nice word.
You can always use it, and people won´t realise the insult. It is like "If you really hate a fat guy, give him something to eat. He even thinks, that he is your friend."

Yep I have a guild in beta, been running my own guild since 1997, small group of us run from game to game to game playing together and having fun. We also add folks every game just like you and others like you who dont stick with the same folks, we also lose members every game of people who stay behind.

Some people play for fun, some people play to escape, others like me play socially with friends.

First off, don't expect a healer to play the way you want him to. Secondly, don't expect people to be good players. If you want to form a group, then you form a group with players that know their role.

If you don't like the way some people play healers, then you need to sign up to be a healer.

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

Originally posted by Herodes

 

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Originally posted by Pyrostasis

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Originally posted by Monorojo

 

So i play a glass cannon, and have for several months now. One of the constants that I have ran into in scenarios and most open-world RvR events is that most healers simply do not heal. I do not understand why this is really. Warrior Priests (being insanely OP'd right now) seem to just jump into a crowd of 5-6 destro's and tear the place apart. DoKs are far more inclined to dish out pain than throw a heal to a Sorc standing right next to them.

Do these healers not realize they easily land #1 in PQs if you team with a DPS (especially a Sorc or BW with max darkmagic) and healhealheal? Do these healers not realize they get renown and XP in scenarios for healing?

I constantly see myself getting attacked, running back in front of a healer, and instead of healing....he attacks the guy who is pummeling me or simply ignored me. This often leads to death. I understand that healers are meant to do some damage as well, but PLEASE GOD for your own benefit and ours do your freakin job. Heal damn it, heal!

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I run with a guild group, and occasionally attempt to heal folks outside the group... but most people jump around like fish out of water making it rather tough to attempt to save them.
Not only that... but about the 20th or 30th person who's ass I did manage to save who never said thanks... did start to get old. So I mainly stick with just healing my group.

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You have a guild? In beta?

 

The next is not against you:
Are we that far? People take the virtual friendships into release or even from one game to another?
mmh, maybe.
For me it is just "new game = new people, new guild, new enemies". But if there are some people, who see it a bit more... "hardcore" is a nice word.
You can always use it, and people won´t realise the insult. It is like "If you really hate a fat guy, give him something to eat. He even thinks, that he is your friend."

Yep I have a guild in beta, been running my own guild since 1997, small group of us run from game to game to game playing together and having fun. We also add folks every game just like you and others like you who dont stick with the same folks, we also lose members every game of people who stay behind.

Some people play for fun, some people play to escape, others like me play socially with friends.

I play to win!   Fun is when your friends and you are talked about ,hated and feared.