Originally posted by Shol

 

Im sorry, VG isnt dead because you say so. VG doesnt have full servers but its by far from being dead. Actually, thanks to AoC, its getting a push.

Shol, I never said anything about full servers, I dont care how many people play, for you a dead mmo is a mmo without players and servers.

For me a dead mmo is a mmo without expanding content, expanding art and creation, for my standarts, Vanguard is dead now.

Your argument about the models is funny. You always complain that VG doesnt get new content and if you get new content, the content isnt worth anything. Looks to me, that whatever the devs are doing they will never satisfy you, or its at least damn hard. So you dislike the models. Ok, fair enough I dislike some of the models too. But thats hardly the end of the world or VG. Beside were talking about something on the testserver and some models seem unfinished, also they are still tweaking. Lets see what in the end will be put on live.

Shol, new models are not new content, they returned with the customization they removed, beta models were better, just check the official forums, every veteran player knows that.

Remove old content and bring new but worse content, at least for me, is not cool.

I dont know why you have the impression Im asking for too much.

How much time they needed to bring these models? Months and Months, do you belive that after a couple of weeks of tweaking they will improve that? Shol, these devs dont know how to draw a muscular abs in a simple texture, Im not talking about normal mapped abs, Im talking about ultra simple textures, check the new female faces and compare with the first version of models.

And about EQ2... check AoC models. Thats one of the few awesome things in this game. Check PW chars against EQ2 ones... Looks  a lot better IMHO.

Yes, AOC models are better than EQ2 models for sure, War models are very well done too, those War models in high res textures will be awesome and will not overload our graphic cards, you know why? Because there are artists working with Warhammer production, there are artists in AOC and even PW...well, there are some artists working with EQ2 too, but with Vanguard, well, we know the answer, there were artists with Sigil, but Sillus and his friends are a joke in this area, if they cant even create a human body, dont expect unique and impressive dungeon bosses or ordinary creatures....

I wasnt in the VG beta, but those models were pretty fast culled. They look nicer on screenshots, but it seems people prefer a playable game instead of eye candy. So they went down the drain.

Today they would be playable, everyone can run Vanguard these days.

Well Shol, we disagree and we will have to live with that.

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I dont know Ethion, I dont play WoW, by standart Im talking about what happens with L2, EQ2, Lotro, GW, EvE etc...

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A PvE game need content, you cant compare Vanguard with Everquest 2 and keep in mind both are from SOE and both have a low population.

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Everything they added was based on aspects already created from Sigil, from dungeons walls to creatures

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Everquest 2 even with ultra low population has new content all the time, this will never happen with Vanguard, as I dont belive anymore they will get more people to their team beside the arrogant Silus and his incapable friends.

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Vanguard has a good core and it is a pretty good PVE game for only 3 months, nothing more, you cant say the game has tons of content if you compare to any other MMO.

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Vanguard´s big world may create this illusion, but it is nothing more than an illusion.

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For me a dead mmo is a mmo without expanding content, expanding art and creation, for my standarts, Vanguard is dead now.

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Well how about "a dead mmorpg can be recognized by no ones playing it and now new content?" If so, VG seems to be a mmorpg bursting with life. :D (ok, a joke, I want to make sure that nobody thinks thats dead-serious)

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Shol, new models are not new content,..

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Hmm, thats kinda true. Luckily we get beside the new models, a brand new starter isle, which is, I checked it out yesterday, pretty big. And we get plate bikinis!! :D

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Remove old content and bring new but worse content, at least for me, is not cool.

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I honestly would also love to have the beta models. They look awesome on screens & vids. I remember playing EQ2 and that I was kinda dissappointed that the armor & weapons in the trailers werent in the game. At that time the offical reason was performance problems. Deja vue somehow.

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...do you belive that after a couple of weeks of tweaking they will improve that?

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Well, I hope. Some models are improved and a lot of others will look better with different settings (for example smaller noses, wider shoulders, a slight tug at the corners of a mouth and so on...) Some I fear wont satisfy me (hulk-druid looks ridiculous, animal classes look bad atm).

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...there were artists with Sigil, but Sillus and his friends are a joke in this area, if they cant even create a human body, dont expect unique and impressive dungeon bosses or ordinary creatures....

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I think they do what they can. Someone wrote in this fan fare report that they dont have an animator which is kinda sad.

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Today they would be playable, everyone can run Vanguard these days.

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I think your rig is too good compared to the average ones. For example I dont have a problem running 20-30 fps all the time on fairly high settings (I cant run everything max though), but people coming from WoW will have a hard time running VG and as we all know WoW is kinda a benchmark for mmorpg-machines. The program still needs some good hardware I fear.

I know this isn't really the right thread to post this in, but if anyone has an extra buddy key, please message me it or email it.

raidthespade@yahoo.com

Thanks

Yeah vanguard could certainly have more dev time for sure.  I'd love to see more content and more stuff added and I'd love to see an expansion.

It would be great if SoE ramped up the effort on vanguard.

But it is what it is.  Vanguard is still a great game and it still has a ton of content far more then most of the games on the market that have been released recently.  It also has great replayability with diverse classes that actually are unique and interesting and beyond that the world is so diverse that it actually takes playing it through a couple times to get all the content.

Now today it has one raid and partheon revamp will be in soon not to mention the new Island zone.  So they are in fact adding stuff to it and it isn't totally stagnant.  They have spent a lot of time fixing things and that is the Right priority.  All the content in the world won't matter if the game won't run on my computer.  Today it isn't the same game it was at release by any measure.

Revamping the character models and redoing the models to support helms and improve performance is a nice trick and making the models look better in the process is no small job.  I think you understate what they have accomplished and I'm interested to see what they accomplish in the coming months as they shift more from a fixit mode to a content development mode.

Other things you fail to see are the internal development things they are doing.  One of the common themes with VG at launch was that the development tools were virtually non existant and this was also a priority.  I'm sure this situation has improved substantially in the past months.

So while you can focus in on all the things that are important to you, or that soe isn't investing as much as you like or that there are not hundreds of developers or that you don't like the new character models or countless other things.  One thing that is clear, you have no interest in Vanguard.

So umbral and friends enjoy ranting and I will enjoy playing :)   I'll continue to feel optimistic about the things they are doing and the hard work the dev team is putting in.  In any event I hope you are having as much fun trolling as I am playing the game.

Originally posted by RaidTheSpade

I know this isn't really the right thread to post this in, but if anyone has an extra buddy key, please message me it or email it.

raidthespade@yahoo.com

Thanks

Buddy key as been sent to you.

wow a thread with buddy keys? if theres one available for me id be jumping!

possible i can get one too? (i havent downloaded the game for nothing lol)

if someone has a buddy key I would be much appreciated, had been asking for a long time and no one sent me one, so, if anyone has one....    bmltavares@gmail.com

Originally posted by raamoz

wow a thread with buddy keys? if theres one available for me id be jumping!

possible i can get one too? (i havent downloaded the game for nothing lol)

Buddy key has been sent.

Originally posted by tryklon

if someone has a buddy key I would be much appreciated, had been asking for a long time and no one sent me one, so, if anyone has one....    bmltavares@gmail.com

Buddy key has been sent.

I would love to get a Buddy Key from someone, so I can try this game out.

Originally posted by aurick

Give things about a week.  Last I heard, GU (game update) 6 is due to launch next week.  One of its key features is the new Isle of Dawn, which is meant to do two things:

1. It's a whole new starting experience.
2. It's going to be released as an independent download of under 3 GB, and will be a free trial up to level 10.

So not only will you get to try the game for free, but you'll see new stuff that shows off the direction they're taking Vanguard.

They've said that it'll also be possible to stream downloading of the rest of the game client in the background while the trial is running.  So while you're playing the game to level 10, you can also be streaming the rest and jump right into the rest of the content should you choose to subscribe.

I saw footage of some of the Isle of Dawn yesterday.  It really looks like the dev team has pulled out all the stops for it!  Something else that was funny was that Sony had a big presentation yesterday where SoE's big cheese spoke.  They opened with a montage showing footage from all the different SoE games.  When you compare Vanguard to all the rest in that way, Vanguard's world completely blew the visual appearance of all the rest (including EQ2) right out of the water.  :)

I would also like a Guest pass , if it is possible. The game looks cool and it would be wonderful if someoan share it with me .

While I dont have a buddy key for you (though someone might) good news is there will be a new grand opening to this game for sure when our "New Isle" comes into game..

I have heard of something like a trial of the Isle sort of thing... this is coming VERY soon in just a couple of weeks...

personally you can get this game  very inexpensively  online... and I am telling you it is  very worth it... I started playing like a couple of months ago and it give a flair for when gaming was new... remember EQ??? when it was new??

was sooo kool   anyway  just my thoughts  hope you get in and enjoy yourself  ....

Originally posted by kwosh

While I dont have a buddy key for you (though someone might) good news is there will be a new grand opening to this game for sure when our "New Isle" comes into game..

I have heard of something like a trial of the Isle sort of thing... this is coming VERY soon in just a couple of weeks...

personally you can get this game  very inexpensively  online... and I am telling you it is  very worth it... I started playing like a couple of months ago and it give a flair for when gaming was new... remember EQ??? when it was new??

was sooo kool   anyway  just my thoughts  hope you get in and enjoy yourself  ....

Thanks a lot for all the information. I will try to get in the game in one of the ways that will be possible for me.

Just wanna say a few things in response to some criticizms posted earlier. Since vanguard has a small population of course they are not gonna pour resources into it.  Trial Island is a chance for the game to increase its pop/income to bring players in and of course with a higher pop/ revenue base the game will get more $ spent on it to make it better and better. I have played many of the popular mmorpgs out there- WoW, EvE, LotRO, AoC, AO, EQ2 and I truely believe that this game is as good or better then any of those.  Vanguard has a couple good things going for it.  First (and most important for the player) is that its a great product.  Second and of equal importance is that sony is putting money into marketing it with its free trial which has the possibility of keeping it a viable product.  Without both of these factors ie marketing and quality, any product is doomed to fail.  Up until now sony was ironing out its quality and imho since achieving a standard worthy of marketing (fast forward a year and a half since release) that phase of their business plan is progressing. 

Again as I touched upon earlier in this thread - if you have a computer that can run AoC well and you decide to play Vanguard, prepare to enter one of the if not the most immersible worlds you have every seen.  I know I have never seen anything even close to it!

I don't mean to hijack the debate portion of this thread, but I would really like to get a buddy key to check out this game. If you have one, please send it to me at hcmarcus@gmail.com

I appreciate it! Thanks!

Originally posted by ethion

 

So umbral and friends enjoy ranting and I will enjoy playing :)   I'll continue to feel optimistic about the things they are doing and the hard work the dev team is putting in.  In any event I hope you are having as much fun trolling as I am playing the game.

Trolling?

The lack of development is a pertinent issue to discuss, the fact Vanguard doesnt have artists and animators now are real issues, no expansion is a real issue.

Some people doesnt care about these details, some others like me see these as some of the reasons why pay for a MMO.

My reasons are my own, but you should realize now that I care about Vanguard and how it is lacking now, this is not a troll attitude.

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Originally posted by Umbral

Originally posted by ethion

 

So umbral and friends enjoy ranting and I will enjoy playing :)   I'll continue to feel optimistic about the things they are doing and the hard work the dev team is putting in.  In any event I hope you are having as much fun trolling as I am playing the game.

Trolling?

The lack of development is a pertinent issue to discuss, the fact Vanguard doesnt have artists and animators now are real issues, no expansion is a real issue.

Some people doesnt care about these details, some others like me see these as some of the reasons why pay for a MMO.

My reasons are my own, but you should realize now that I care about Vanguard and how it is lacking now, this is not a troll attitude.

 

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I think your point is true and was clearly made.  Thanks

Hmm, on my little trip thought p2p games here this one is starting to look the most appealing.

How does the mage play in this game? 

Also doesnt all sony games offer a 14 day trial?

if anyone does have a trial key feel free to e-mail it to me at eqq22182@yahoo.com it would be much appreciated..

I cant stand these f2p games anymore, i really need a p2p home.

Everyone can't play Vanguard, so yes, some people do prefer a playable game instead of pretty eye-candy.

I understand there are people out there that can afford to upgrade their computers for every game they wish to play, or even spend the cash for a new system.

From the research that I've done, almost every consumer PC comes with a PSU that is not underrated for any card that can play this game.

Furthermore, many affordable consumer PCs are so small that you can hardly fit a high-end graphics card in them. I cannot fit a good graphics card in my AGP slot because there is largish capacitor on the MB that sits next to the slot. The heatsink on the cars are big and sit on top of the capacitor, making it impossible to insert the cards in and "snap" them in place. The PSU doesn't have a PCI-E power connector and most of those AGP cards are PCI-E cards with a bridge chip on them to make them work with the AGP systems.

I have been looking around for a new computer for weeks now and I have gone as far as making the people in the computer stores allow me to look inside the computers to examing the Slots/MB/PSU and almost all of thsoe computer PCs are utter crap. The best way to get a system to play these games at acceptable settings is either to buy a very expensive consumer PC (1k-1.5k) or customize the system from a company that sells gaming machines online (they allow you to customize in very deep detail, down to PSU ratings, etc.).

I have 3 HP Pavilions here and after realizing the PSU issue I looked in my computers and realized that all of the PSUs were 50-100 Watts below the "Required/Recommended" rating of the Dedicated Graphics Cards that I customized in them ON HP's Website. Systems that I ordered with ATI/GeForce Cards that require 350/400 Watt PSUs came with 250/300 Watt PSUs. I was always wondering why my computers were so friggin loud while playing games... The temperature inside those computers when playing games can rise to dangerous levels, and there is little room to add extra fans in them.

Buying a system from a PC Manufacturer like Dell/HP/Acer/Gateway is out of the question for anyone who seriously games for a large portion of the time that they are using their PC, because it will simply break sooner or later (I had to send a Graphics Card Back because of that, and my Sony Vaio Laptop's inverter blew and had to be replaced because I used it to play EverQuest alot due). The systems get hot and consumer PC cases are not designed for this type of use.

They are designed for the type of people who use a computer for a couple of hours and turn it off during the night. They are not for serious users who play video games with dedicated/high-power graphics cards and leave the system running for many hours-days-weeks at a time.

I am tired wasting money on such machines, only to end up in the same state of "Oops, can't really upgrade this PoS... Without paying 3x the Price to HP/Sony/whoever..." over and over again. To be able to play these unnecessarily graphically complex MMOs I'd have to buy another computer and having to pay 1.5k for a new machine is out of the question. That is my vacation I'm planning next month, and then some.

Luckily, other companies (Mythic, Blizzard) have a clue on developing games that look somewhat pretty without locking out such a large portion of potential player base with system requirements (which the Vanguard developers need to reconsider, cause they are listed too low on the box ATM - WTB a MainFrame to play VG...).