Originally posted by tarkin1980

Originally posted by shukes33

well there are thousands of people actually playing war at the moment and countless player vids screenshots, so ye like it or not people can prove war exists. show me one persons vid of darkfall! you can't simple as that.

 

The point is that anyone can make a video of some 3d characters running around. It doesn't prove that it's a GAME. Now, the vast quantities of WAR material out there means the probability of WAR existing is pretty high, whereas ONE "in game" video would prove nothing at all. So a darkfall in game video wouldn't be much of a proof either.

LOL, trust me, I've been in WAR's closed beta, it exists, you can play it, and probability of release right now is probably at the 95% range.

Contrast that with DF which isn't much above 5% at this point.

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by tollmart

Just had a look at there website. realy its a joke. a litle box in one corner. Terible.

I realy want this game to happen. ah well

 

there should be a new site when the game releases.

they dont spend time updating the site who cares itts a webpage

Um, well let's see. I mean every other MMO seems to have an updated page, at least once every 1-3 weeks.

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by tarkin1980

Originally posted by shukes33

well there are thousands of people actually playing war at the moment and countless player vids screenshots, so ye like it or not people can prove war exists. show me one persons vid of darkfall! you can't simple as that.

 

The point is that anyone can make a video of some 3d characters running around. It doesn't prove that it's a GAME. Now, the vast quantities of WAR material out there means the probability of WAR existing is pretty high, whereas ONE "in game" video would prove nothing at all. So a darkfall in game video wouldn't be much of a proof either.

all df vid is in game
 

Nothing but speculation, you have no proof whatsoever to support that claim. Nor does any other Darkfall fanboy.

You guys are running on vapor right now.

Nice prediction, did you use crystalball, cards or tealeaves ?

Originally posted by tarkin1980

 

The point is that anyone can make a video of some 3d characters running around. It doesn't prove that it's a GAME. Now, the vast quantities of WAR material out there means the probability of WAR existing is pretty high, whereas ONE "in game" video would prove nothing at all. So a darkfall in game video wouldn't be much of a proof either.

I agree, videoes doesn't prove anything. That said, Aventurine isn't making this video to prove anything, they are making a video to please their fans. Where is the proof you say ? Well, you'll find it out for yourself when you play the fully functionally game. For free.

Originally posted by Xris375

Originally posted by tarkin1980

 

The point is that anyone can make a video of some 3d characters running around. It doesn't prove that it's a GAME. Now, the vast quantities of WAR material out there means the probability of WAR existing is pretty high, whereas ONE "in game" video would prove nothing at all. So a darkfall in game video wouldn't be much of a proof either.

 

I agree, videoes doesn't prove anything. That said, Aventurine isn't making this video to prove anything, they are making a video to please their fans. Where is the proof you say ? Well, you'll find it out for yourself when you play the fully functionally game. For free.

QFT
 

Originally posted by Xris375

Originally posted by tarkin1980

 

The point is that anyone can make a video of some 3d characters running around. It doesn't prove that it's a GAME. Now, the vast quantities of WAR material out there means the probability of WAR existing is pretty high, whereas ONE "in game" video would prove nothing at all. So a darkfall in game video wouldn't be much of a proof either.

 

I agree, videoes doesn't prove anything. That said, Aventurine isn't making this video to prove anything, they are making a video to please their fans. Where is the proof you say ? Well, you'll find it out for yourself when you play the fully functionally game. For free.

Finally someone got the point..geez..

I don't know if this game is vaporware (though I strongly suspect it is). From reading its list of dreamed-about features I'd actually like to see it.

But anyone who thinks an MMO can go from pre-beta to release in 4 months is beyond clueless. There's simply no way. It ain't going to happen in 2008 unless they just decide to go ahead and release an utter piece of alpha-state crap.

Originally posted by Jokerkaaos

I don't know if this game is vaporware (though I strongly suspect it is). From reading its list of dreamed-about features I'd actually like to see it.

But anyone who thinks an MMO can go from pre-beta to release in 4 months is beyond clueless. There's simply no way. It ain't going to happen in 2008 unless they just decide to go ahead and release an utter piece of alpha-state crap.

 

 

 

 

AoC already tried that, didn't work out so well.

Darkfall is kinda like God. The believers will fight to the death to defend the idea that it exists. The haters say there is no proof and therefore it doesn't exist. Neither side can prove the other wrong...

lol

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Darkfall is kinda like God. The believers will fight to the death to defend the idea that it exists. The haters say there is no proof and therefore it doesn't exist. Neither side can prove the other wrong...

lol

Heh... yes, but the thing is, burden of proof is on the affirmative. It's logically fallacious to request that someone prove a negative.

In other words, Darkfall has to show it exists at all. It's not up to us to believe in it until "proven otherwise."

That about sums it up.  I find it funny how all these fanbois were shouting that DF will release in 2008.  We are almost into September and there is hardly any evidence of the game existing.  I've been saying it over and over, we will not see DF in 2008.  Feel free to quote me in December when the game is still in the distance:)

Originally posted by Stellos

That about sums it up.  I find it funny how all these fanbois were shouting that DF will release in 2008.  We are almost into September and there is hardly any evidence of the game existing.  I've been saying it over and over, we will not see DF in 2008.  Feel free to quote me in December when the game is still in the distance:)

I wouldnt say that brannoc in irc was just saying the vid will be out this month might not be on a friday tho.

and he also saying its good enough for people to shit there pants even maybe twice.

lol man i feel sorry for you guys.

i bet we will at least see public testing start /clan beta

Originally posted by downtoearth

 I wouldnt say that brannoc in irc was just saying the vid will be out this month might not be on a friday tho.

and he also saying its good enough for people to shit there pants even maybe twice.

lol man i feel sorry for you guys.

i bet we willa t least se epublic ttesting start /clan beta

I feel sorry for people that take the word of a company that repeatedly lies to its fans.

But thats just me.

Keep on feeling sorry, because when nothing happens again this year, you'll still blindly follow the game as if it was the next messiah into the new year and beyond. Its just the way truely foolish people are, no fault of your own I'm sure.

Originally posted by CreepingDoom

Originally posted by downtoearth

 I wouldnt say that brannoc in irc was just saying the vid will be out this month might not be on a friday tho.

and he also saying its good enough for people to shit there pants even maybe twice.

lol man i feel sorry for you guys.

i bet we willa t least se epublic ttesting start /clan beta

 

I feel sorry for people that take the word of a company that repeatedly lies to its fans.

But thats just me.

Keep on feeling sorry, because when nothing happens again this year, you'll still blindly follow the game as if it was the next messiah into the new year and beyond. Its just the way truely foolish people are, no fault of your own I'm sure.

ok lies sure how about being to honest with there plans to the community and then look like there lieing 
 

take there word ok i dont even think release will happen atm unless there way of testing actully worked.

i dont even know if taso is telling the truth atm i have a feeling he probly is tho

Originally posted by Abrahmm

 

Darkfall is kinda like God. The believers will fight to the death to defend the idea that it exists. The haters say there is no proof and therefore it doesn't exist. Neither side can prove the other wrong...

lol

One does not have to prove a negative. The burden of proof lies with the claimant of the positive. This is what's referred to as a "logical fallacy", specifically "negative proof".

negative proof, the fallacy of appealing to lack of proof of the negative, is a logical fallacy of the following form:

"X is true because there is no proof that X is false."

It is asserted that a proposition is true, only because it has not been proven false. The negative proof fallacy often occurs in the debate of the existence of supernatural phenomena, in the following form:

"A supernatural force must exist, because there is no proof that it does not exist".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_proof

Originally posted by downtoearth

ok lies sure how about being to honest with there plans to the community and then look like there lieing 

I would try thinking like that, but it is absurd.  Aventurine does typical marketing - they only share the "good" news, and that is miles away from honest, let alone too honest.  I would be willing to cut them some slack if they told it like it is, but they dont.  How about in that 2003/2004 timeframe?  They were expected to release (because THEY said they expected to release in 2003) but they didnt release, they didnt go into beta, they didnt even explain why.  This would have been the perfect time to be honest.  They should have come out and said they were not happy with the game, and planned to take the next few years to expand and enhance the game.  Really, that could have been a positive for them!  But they didnt...just the usual "beta is around the corner" story from them.   They could have done the same thing in 2005, when the clan beta was all the rage.   Here it is nearly 3 years later, and no clan beta, no explaination.  Too honest?  Get real. 

take there word ok i dont even think release will happen atm unless there way of testing actully worked.

Now that is a reasonable response.

i dont even know if taso is telling the truth atm i have a feeling he probly is tho

Good luck to us all.  We will need it.

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Originally posted by mike470

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Originally posted by downtoearth

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Originally posted by remyburke

Guys, let it go. This game is never going to happen. Is everyone still truly surprised when stuff like this happens with Darkfall? People's loyalty to something that doesn't exist blows my mind. Find something else to play!
Cheers

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prove it

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Prove to me DF is real. Crappy screens and vids don't mean anything, I need proof. Random fans who act fishy when they write their articles about how they visited Adventurine doesn't count. Still, technically, no publisher, still no video, and not even a beta date.

Until they do something, I am still inclined to believe DF is vaporware.

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lol

You're in a really weak position to say any of that Mikey. You're a fanboi of some gawd-awful game called Citadel of Suckery, who became a MMORPG correspondent for that flaming turd of eventual failure.

Can you prove that Citadel of Suckery exists? They have just 10 'screenshots' that look like they were modelled in a free 3D program by abject ammeters.

They even claim to have a game world "larger than the entire surface of the Earth with the oceans included!"

Yeah ... sure ... Darkfall is vaporware.

*rolleyes*

Originally posted by Friction2u

  'screenshots' that look like they were modelled in a free 3D program by abject ammeters.

 Sounds like Darkfall considering the graphics of Darkfall are some of the worst I've ever seen. Completely done by amateur modellers and terrible texture artists running on an old outdated engine that doesnt even support simple old  things like bump mapping.

Comparing one piece of shit to another piece of shit doesn't make your case any stronger.

Originally posted by tarkin1980

Originally posted by shukes33

well there are thousands of people actually playing war at the moment and countless player vids screenshots, so ye like it or not people can prove war exists. show me one persons vid of darkfall! you can't simple as that.

 

The point is that anyone can make a video of some 3d characters running around. It doesn't prove that it's a GAME. Now, the vast quantities of WAR material out there means the probability of WAR existing is pretty high, whereas ONE "in game" video would prove nothing at all. So a darkfall in game video wouldn't be much of a proof either.

 In game video wouldnt be much proof? Yea, if they release in game video I bet they would all be sitting in a room laughing, "Lets spend another few million $ to just string these ppl along and make them think we have a real game. That way we can reap all the benefits of creating all this stuf for no reason. Muahahaha."

   Makes perfect sense to me too, i bet they all sit around making bets on who can tear up hundred dollar bills the fastest also.

Originally posted by Xris375

I agree, videoes doesn't prove anything. That said, Aventurine isn't making this video to prove anything, they are making a video to please their fans. Where is the proof you say ? Well, you'll find it out for yourself when you play the fully functionally game. For free.

If they aren't making a video to prove the game exists, then they're idiots, considering nearly everyone has, at best, doubts, and at worst thinks the whole thing is a fraud.

And I had thought they were planning on charging for the game. So they're having problems giving away a game that's [supposedly] releasing five years later than planned.

Originally posted by copperclad

Originally posted by tarkin1980

 

 

 

 

 In game video wouldnt be much proof? Yea, if they release in game video I bet they would all be sitting in a room laughing, "Lets spend another few million $ to just string these ppl along and make them think we have a real game. That way we can reap all the benefits of creating all this stuf for no reason. Muahahaha."

   Makes perfect sense to me too, i bet they all sit around making bets on who can tear up hundred dollar bills the fastest also.

Yeah, because it couldn't be that they have been trying to make a game, but  have gotten way over their heads and are floundering trying to figure out what to do with the work they do have. In the mean time they have been living off money from investors and now off a 5 million dollar loan.
 

The people who have a reasonable assumption about Darkfall, don't think they woke up one day and saod "let's scam the world for no reason today." Like most failed business they are exsisting by going increasingly in debt.

Originally posted by mike470

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by remyburke

Guys, let it go. This game is never going to happen. Is everyone still truly surprised when stuff like this happens with Darkfall? People's loyalty to something that doesn't exist blows my mind. Find something else to play!

Cheers

 

prove it

Prove to me DF is real.  Crappy screens and vids don't mean anything, I need proof.  Random fans who act fishy when they write their articles about how they visited Adventurine doesn't count.  Still, technically, no publisher, still no video, and not even a beta date.
 

Until they do something, I am still inclined to believe DF is vaporware.

Darkfall has become very much like a religion. Is there or isnt there a Darkfall? Some people believe there is. Some people believe there isnt. Neither side has any proof to support their claim and yet the debate rages on and on and on. You cant prove it exists and you cant prove that it doesnt exist.

I really think Darkfall should be setup as an official religion. Ya never know maybe thousands of people will start killing each other over it.

Meanwhile I will take the same stance with this game that I do with God. I'll just shrug my shoulders and get on with playing another game

Originally posted by bverji

Originally posted by copperclad

Originally posted by tarkin1980

 

 

 

 

 In game video wouldnt be much proof? Yea, if they release in game video I bet they would all be sitting in a room laughing, "Lets spend another few million $ to just string these ppl along and make them think we have a real game. That way we can reap all the benefits of creating all this stuf for no reason. Muahahaha."

   Makes perfect sense to me too, i bet they all sit around making bets on who can tear up hundred dollar bills the fastest also.

Yeah, because it couldn't be that they have been trying to make a game, but  have gotten way over their heads and are floundering trying to figure out what to do with the work they do have. In the mean time they have been living off money from investors and now off a 5 million dollar loan.
 

The people who have a reasonable assumption about Darkfall, don't think they woke up one day and saod "let's scam the world for no reason today." Like most failed business they are exsisting by going increasingly in debt.

 do you read these posts or just the last few lines?
 

we werent even talking about wether or not they will finish the game, i also have my doubts.

he said, ingame video isnt proof that a game EXISTS. That is stupid if there is ingame video then uh.....yes a game exists.

Originally posted by Jokerkaaos

I don't know if this game is vaporware (though I strongly suspect it is). From reading its list of dreamed-about features I'd actually like to see it.

But anyone who thinks an MMO can go from pre-beta to release in 4 months is beyond clueless. There's simply no way. It ain't going to happen in 2008 unless they just decide to go ahead and release an utter piece of alpha-state crap.

 

 

 

 

You are right but none of the above applies to DF, as it is already in Beta, just not open to clueless people like yourself.

Originally posted by copperclad

Originally posted by bverji

Originally posted by copperclad

Originally posted by tarkin1980

 

 

 

 

 In game video wouldnt be much proof? Yea, if they release in game video I bet they would all be sitting in a room laughing, "Lets spend another few million $ to just string these ppl along and make them think we have a real game. That way we can reap all the benefits of creating all this stuf for no reason. Muahahaha."

   Makes perfect sense to me too, i bet they all sit around making bets on who can tear up hundred dollar bills the fastest also.

Yeah, because it couldn't be that they have been trying to make a game, but  have gotten way over their heads and are floundering trying to figure out what to do with the work they do have. In the mean time they have been living off money from investors and now off a 5 million dollar loan.
 

The people who have a reasonable assumption about Darkfall, don't think they woke up one day and saod "let's scam the world for no reason today." Like most failed business they are exsisting by going increasingly in debt.

 do you read these posts or just the last few lines?
 

we werent even talking about wether or not they will finish the game, i also have my doubts.

he said, ingame video isnt proof that a game EXISTS. That is stupid if there is ingame video then uh.....yes a game exists.

The time effort and years of effort here , prove that collateral content and the game is in development. I just cannot believe that the effort invested in DF is just a scam too much evidence to prove otherwise which is available for anyone who can be bothered to see. 98% of people here are just online forum gankers looking to wind anyone they possibly can up. Amusing 

 Some of us just like the idea and scope of this game... But are not allowed to enjoy that here. (No biggie there are better places to enjoy DF and even better the haters here cannot stop people doing that so they have failed nothing conclusive to prove the hate...)

Originally posted by Isane

The time effort and years of effort here , prove that collateral content and the game is in development. I just cannot believe that the effort invested in DF is just a scam too much evidence to prove otherwise which is available for anyone who can be bothered to see.

You fail to realize that if you take ALL of the darkfall media EVER released it would not take a handful of experienced developers any longer than a few weeks to produce.

It would not take more than 4 experienced programmers 1 full year to build tools and a rendering engine.

So in reality over the last 7 years we have seen maybe about 1.6 years worth of work.

So I ask you. What have they been doing the other 90% of the time?

They have yet to show that 90% of this games features even EXIST let alone actually functioning properly.