What if the mmo that bioware and LA are working on isn't star wars related at all..... I will be sorely disappointed if it turns out not to be a star wars mmo.  What about the rest of you guys?

As far as looking forward to a decent Star Wars MMO, yeah, I'd be disappointed.  Luckily, the CEO of EA has made that moot, since he has basically verified that it is indeed a Star Wars MMO.  If BioWare's MMO wasn't based on Star Wars, I'd still be interested, since BioWare has a good record of making good games.

There is still plenty of things BioWare could do to kill my interest in their Star Wars MMO.  I hope they don't, but the possibilty is there.

I think the NGE proves that some MMO's are just flat unplayable regardless of the genre.

Hopefully, Bioware is working on something better.

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Originally posted by SuperMatt

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Eight professions? That's all? That's fewer than any other MMO that comes to mind in the couple of seconds I'm processing it. EQ2 has more profs than that. WoW has more profs than that. Pirates of the Burning Sea, Eve (if I remember correctly), Tabula Rosa.

Boy I hope that's not true.

More and more, I'm beginning to believe that this is probably true.  On Bioware's site, if you hover over the Bioware Games link at the top, you have separate options for "Massively Multiplayer Online (MMO)" and "LucasArts/Bioware Interactive Product".  In the grand scheme it could mean nothing - however, with the announcements at SOE's Fan Faire craptaveganza, with LucasArts being there and not denying SOE's statements about the LA/Bioware game not being an MMO, I'm feeling less and less thrilled with it.

If it's not a Star Wars MMO, I'll never play another Bioware game again.  They have been well aware of all of the rumors for a long time now, and even with EA's CEO and his slip of the tongue, they have refused to deny anything.  All they would have had to do is say "No, it's not a Star Wars MMO, but we think you'll love it anyway".  They keep their secrecy and squash some rumors in the process, and they look respectable doing it.  This "no comment" bull is old and getting older, and will serve to irritate and drive away more people than it actually attracts if the IP isn't what everyone thinks it is.

I'm willing to give Bioware the benefit of the unknown. I think part of the reason for the secrecy is because they don't want the pressure of people getting their hopes up. It is very possible that they originally wanted 8 classes and have since changed their minds.

It's also possible that they wanted an MMO originally and later decided that they wanted consoles added to it.

I really wish they would tell us...something though...

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Originally posted by Kylrathin
More and more, I'm beginning to believe that this is probably true.  On Bioware's site, if you hover over the Bioware Games link at the top, you have separate options for "Massively Multiplayer Online (MMO)" and "LucasArts/Bioware Interactive Product".  In the grand scheme it could mean nothing - however, with the announcements at SOE's Fan Faire craptaveganza, with LucasArts being there and not denying SOE's statements about the LA/Bioware game not being an MMO, I'm feeling less and less thrilled with it.
 
If it's not a Star Wars MMO, I'll never play another Bioware game again.  They have been well aware of all of the rumors for a long time now, and even with EA's CEO and his slip of the tongue, they have refused to deny anything.  All they would have had to do is say "No, it's not a Star Wars MMO, but we think you'll love it anyway".  They keep their secrecy and squash some rumors in the process, and they look respectable doing it.  This "no comment" bull is old and getting older, and will serve to irritate and drive away more people than it actually attracts if the IP isn't what everyone thinks it is.

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Gotta agree here. If their new MMO turns out not to be Star Wars, I know I am gonna be disappointed. I assume so will a couple of hundred thousand other people, and their behavior these past couple of years, dangling the possibilities, will screw them in the long run -- people do not like being played.

Now, if it IS a Star Wars MMO, and it's a good game, their silence would be understandable.

Personally, I'm skeptical, yet hopeful, about the whole thing.

Originally posted by Tzimiscechi

Originally posted by SuperMatt

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Eight professions? That's all? That's fewer than any other MMO that comes to mind in the couple of seconds I'm processing it. EQ2 has more profs than that. WoW has more profs than that. Pirates of the Burning Sea, Eve (if I remember correctly), Tabula Rosa.

Boy I hope that's not true.

The 'fully customisable ship' thing does sound like Gordon Walton. He was the ex-SOE designer now over at Bioware who didn't want  player housing in SWG because it screwed up the landscapes but he did want customisable living space. He was the one who came up with the lamentable instanced player housing of EQ2. Well, I personally didn't like it anyway.

Originally posted by SuperMatt

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sounds like a sort of swg the prequel

and 8 profs are better than 1 prof for a kotoro

and i too would be dissapointed if theres no new star wars mmo anywhere .  Star wars is the ideal place for a good mmo to be set and all we have is the waste of potential that is swg

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by Kylrathin
More and more, I'm beginning to believe that this is probably true.  On Bioware's site, if you hover over the Bioware Games link at the top, you have separate options for "Massively Multiplayer Online (MMO)" and "LucasArts/Bioware Interactive Product".  In the grand scheme it could mean nothing - however, with the announcements at SOE's Fan Faire craptaveganza, with LucasArts being there and not denying SOE's statements about the LA/Bioware game not being an MMO, I'm feeling less and less thrilled with it.
 
If it's not a Star Wars MMO, I'll never play another Bioware game again.  They have been well aware of all of the rumors for a long time now, and even with EA's CEO and his slip of the tongue, they have refused to deny anything.  All they would have had to do is say "No, it's not a Star Wars MMO, but we think you'll love it anyway".  They keep their secrecy and squash some rumors in the process, and they look respectable doing it.  This "no comment" bull is old and getting older, and will serve to irritate and drive away more people than it actually attracts if the IP isn't what everyone thinks it is.

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Gotta agree here. If their new MMO turns out not to be Star Wars, I know I am gonna be disappointed. I assume so will a couple of hundred thousand other people, and their behavior these past couple of years, dangling the possibilities, will screw them in the long run -- people do not like being played.

Now, if it IS a Star Wars MMO, and it's a good game, their silence would be understandable.

Personally, I'm skeptical, yet hopeful, about the whole thing.

There could be many different reasons why they can't spill the beans right now . NDA's , Nothing to show so on and so on...

I can't say I'd be disappointed if it's not a star wars MMO .I never got to hyped about it in the first place (far to many disappointments in the MMO sphere as of late) I'd probably be happy with an online version of KOTOR , If it's a good game.

If this turns out to be true, I can't really blame Bioware for a screwup by EA's CEO.I wouldn't label their tight lipped approach as trying to play anyone , If anything it shows the exact opposite .I'd prefer every company to keep quiet until they have their game working and they know what is making it in and what's not .Hype what you have not every pipe dream you think up while conceptualizing your game.

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by Kylrathin
More and more, I'm beginning to believe that this is probably true.  On Bioware's site, if you hover over the Bioware Games link at the top, you have separate options for "Massively Multiplayer Online (MMO)" and "LucasArts/Bioware Interactive Product".  In the grand scheme it could mean nothing - however, with the announcements at SOE's Fan Faire craptaveganza, with LucasArts being there and not denying SOE's statements about the LA/Bioware game not being an MMO, I'm feeling less and less thrilled with it.
 
If it's not a Star Wars MMO, I'll never play another Bioware game again.  They have been well aware of all of the rumors for a long time now, and even with EA's CEO and his slip of the tongue, they have refused to deny anything.  All they would have had to do is say "No, it's not a Star Wars MMO, but we think you'll love it anyway".  They keep their secrecy and squash some rumors in the process, and they look respectable doing it.  This "no comment" bull is old and getting older, and will serve to irritate and drive away more people than it actually attracts if the IP isn't what everyone thinks it is.

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Gotta agree here. If their new MMO turns out not to be Star Wars, I know I am gonna be disappointed. I assume so will a couple of hundred thousand other people, and their behavior these past couple of years, dangling the possibilities, will screw them in the long run -- people do not like being played.

Now, if it IS a Star Wars MMO, and it's a good game, their silence would be understandable.

Personally, I'm skeptical, yet hopeful, about the whole thing.

 

There could be many different reasons why they can't spill the beans right now . NDA's , Nothing to show so on and so on...

I can't say I'd be disappointed if it's not a star wars MMO .I never got to hyped about it in the first place (far to many disappointments in the MMO sphere as of late) I'd probably be happy with an online version of KOTOR , If it's a good game.

If this turns out to be true, I can't really blame Bioware for a screwup by EA's CEO.I wouldn't label their tight lipped approach as trying to play anyone , If anything it shows the exact opposite .I'd prefer every company to keep quiet until they have their game working and they know what is making it in and what's not .Hype what you have not every pipe dream you think up while conceptualizing your game.

To clarify, the thing I think would upset most people, myself included, isn't that they haven't told us what the game's going to be about.  Rather, that they are fully aware that so many people are hoping it's going to be Star Wars, and if it isn't, that they haven't denied it yet.  The disappointment comes if we're a month from release and the IP is finally revealed as something besides Star Wars.  If it's not Star Wars, say so NOW, let us get over our disappointment, and when we recover we'll come back and check the game out.  They don't have to tell us what the game IS, just what it ISN'T.

No matter what happens, I wouldn't blame EA's CEO for it.  Quite frankly, there's too many other things to blame him for, and an offhand answer to an offhand question is by no means official.  It is, however, up to EA's marketing department to clarify his statement, and they really haven't.  And for anyone that thinks "they shouldn't have to respond to a bunch of dorks posting Internet rumors", let me remind you that the dorks posting Internet rumors provide better marketing and direct sales effort for games than whatever money is spent on the old-fashioned ways of doing it.

Originally posted by Kylrathin

 

To clarify, the thing I think would upset most people, myself included, isn't that they haven't told us what the game's going to be about.  Rather, that they are fully aware that so many people are hoping it's going to be Star Wars, and if it isn't, that they haven't denied it yet.  The disappointment comes if we're a month from release and the IP is finally revealed as something besides Star Wars.  If it's not Star Wars, say so NOW, let us get over our disappointment, and when we recover we'll come back and check the game out.  They don't have to tell us what the game IS, just what it ISN'T.

 

No matter what happens, I wouldn't blame EA's CEO for it.  Quite frankly, there's too many other things to blame him for, and an offhand answer to an offhand question is by no means official.  It is, however, up to EA's marketing department to clarify his statement, and they really haven't.  And for anyone that thinks "they shouldn't have to respond to a bunch of dorks posting Internet rumors", let me remind you that the dorks posting Internet rumors provide better marketing and direct sales effort for games than whatever money is spent on the old-fashioned ways of doing it.

I'll have to clarify my point as well , I'm not really commenting on whether you should feel screwed , or led along. My point was I prefer their quiet approach , No hype is good hype IMO. Like I said Hype what you are going to deliver not what you want to deliver.

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

I'll have to clarify my point as well , I'm not really commenting on whether you should feel screwed , or led along. My point was I prefer their quiet approach , No hype is good hype IMO. Like I said Hype what you are going to deliver not what you want to deliver.

Point taken.  Along those lines, then, I also prefer the quiet approach; however, enough has already been confirmed that it's just a tease.  They announced they are creating a MMO.  They also announced they are doing an "interactive product" with LucasArts, which is a company I believe they said they'd never work with again, after KOTOR.  They've never confirmed or denied that these are the same thing.  I wouldn't expect them to confirm it if it was true, but I would hope they'd deny it early and often if it wasn't, considering most people expect it to be true at this point.

All that said, I have to agree with your statement.  I think many, many MMO projects get killed along the way because too many companies don't follow the approach you outlined - hype what you are going to deliver.  It's far too often that games are talked up beyond any sense of reason, and people are eventually disappointed in the release rather than excited about it.

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Originally posted by Malickiebloo

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Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by Kylrathin
More and more, I'm beginning to believe that this is probably true.  On Bioware's site, if you hover over the Bioware Games link at the top, you have separate options for "Massively Multiplayer Online (MMO)" and "LucasArts/Bioware Interactive Product".  In the grand scheme it could mean nothing - however, with the announcements at SOE's Fan Faire craptaveganza, with LucasArts being there and not denying SOE's statements about the LA/Bioware game not being an MMO, I'm feeling less and less thrilled with it.
 
If it's not a Star Wars MMO, I'll never play another Bioware game again.  They have been well aware of all of the rumors for a long time now, and even with EA's CEO and his slip of the tongue, they have refused to deny anything.  All they would have had to do is say "No, it's not a Star Wars MMO, but we think you'll love it anyway".  They keep their secrecy and squash some rumors in the process, and they look respectable doing it.  This "no comment" bull is old and getting older, and will serve to irritate and drive away more people than it actually attracts if the IP isn't what everyone thinks it is.

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Gotta agree here. If their new MMO turns out not to be Star Wars, I know I am gonna be disappointed. I assume so will a couple of hundred thousand other people, and their behavior these past couple of years, dangling the possibilities, will screw them in the long run -- people do not like being played.
Now, if it IS a Star Wars MMO, and it's a good game, their silence would be understandable.
Personally, I'm skeptical, yet hopeful, about the whole thing.

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There could be many different reasons why they can't spill the beans right now . NDA's , Nothing to show so on and so on...
I can't say I'd be disappointed if it's not a star wars MMO .I never got to hyped about it in the first place (far to many disappointments in the MMO sphere as of late) I'd probably be happy with an online version of KOTOR , If it's a good game.
If this turns out to be true, I can't really blame Bioware for a screwup by EA's CEO.I wouldn't label their tight lipped approach as trying to play anyone , If anything it shows the exact opposite .I'd prefer every company to keep quiet until they have their game working and they know what is making it in and what's not .Hype what you have not every pipe dream you think up while conceptualizing your game.

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If it turnsout NOT to be a SW MMO, all their winks and nods will cause the game to flop. Just watch. Their reasons and excuses won't matter when they piss off hundreds of thousands of hopeful people.

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Originally posted by Malickiebloo

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Originally posted by Kylrathin

 
To clarify, the thing I think would upset most people, myself included, isn't that they haven't told us what the game's going to be about.  Rather, that they are fully aware that so many people are hoping it's going to be Star Wars, and if it isn't, that they haven't denied it yet.  The disappointment comes if we're a month from release and the IP is finally revealed as something besides Star Wars.  If it's not Star Wars, say so NOW, let us get over our disappointment, and when we recover we'll come back and check the game out.  They don't have to tell us what the game IS, just what it ISN'T.
 
No matter what happens, I wouldn't blame EA's CEO for it.  Quite frankly, there's too many other things to blame him for, and an offhand answer to an offhand question is by no means official.  It is, however, up to EA's marketing department to clarify his statement, and they really haven't.  And for anyone that thinks "they shouldn't have to respond to a bunch of dorks posting Internet rumors", let me remind you that the dorks posting Internet rumors provide better marketing and direct sales effort for games than whatever money is spent on the old-fashioned ways of doing it.

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I'll have to clarify my point as well , I'm not really commenting on whether you should feel screwed , or led along. My point was I prefer their quiet approach , No hype is good hype IMO. Like I said Hype what you are going to deliver not what you want to deliver.

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The problem is they have accepted the hype, ridden the hype, tweaked the hype, and if it turns out the hype was all BS, it will not serve them well.

@ Ky and Fish

I see both of your points and agree with them , If it's not a SW MMO they should say so . There is one factor to consider , The leak from SOE was that the KOTOR game was going to be like Diablo ,a pseudo rpg/morpg.Since an MMO isn't far off from that is it really leading people astray by not commenting ?

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Originally posted by Malickiebloo
@ Ky and Fish
I see both of your points and agree with them , If it's not a SW MMO they should say so . There is one factor to consider , The leak from SOE was that the KOTOR game was going to be like Diablo ,a pseudo rpg/morpg.Since an MMO isn't far off from that is it really leading people astray by not commenting ?

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Originally posted by Malickiebloo

@ Ky and Fish

I see both of your points and agree with them , If it's not a SW MMO they should say so . There is one factor to consider , The leak from SOE was that the KOTOR game was going to be like Diablo ,a pseudo rpg/morpg.Since an MMO isn't far off from that is it really leading people astray by not commenting ?

Considering that most people think the MMO that they are developing is a Star Wars MMO, and this is VERY obvious to Bioware at this point, I'd have to say yes, it's leading people astray.  There's nothing wrong with them saying "The MMO isn't Star Wars, but we've got something else in the works with LA that's going to knock your socks off/blow you away/kick your ass/insert other cliche here".  The problem is that they've not denied that the MMO, specifically, is Star Wars.  If it is a Star Wars MMO, I understand the silence, if for no other reasons than the ones you mentioned above.  If it's not, then when the truth becomes known, they'll have already sown the seeds for distrust.

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by Malickiebloo
@ Ky and Fish
I see both of your points and agree with them , If it's not a SW MMO they should say so . There is one factor to consider , The leak from SOE was that the KOTOR game was going to be like Diablo ,a pseudo rpg/morpg.Since an MMO isn't far off from that is it really leading people astray by not commenting ?

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Yes it is. When you know what people want, and they do -- and you let them go on and get excited with misleading information, if you do not correct, you have effectively misled them. In this business where word-of-mouth is everything, that would be a VERY stupid move on their part.

 

Again I see your point , Something about just doesn't quite sit right with me. I think it might be that people have been saying it's a Star Wars MMO since they announced it , Which if I'm not mistaken they said their MMO was going to be an original I.P. long ago.

Peoples short memories aren't Biowares problem, They've been dealing with the SWG crowd since the NGE (No one remembers the floods of vets that swarmed their forums when they announced an MMO?) They were pretty upfront about it not being SW back then , i just don't think anyone remembers.