Originally posted by sabutai22

Originally posted by Kyleran 

Well actually, I did play a bit of the CB, and it didn't really feel much like DAOC to me (though I never got to the high level stuff, so maybe that's where the magic lies).  At the lower levels I was testing it felt pretty much like any other fantasy MMO that I've played before (except DAOC) with quests, and leveling, though the little mini fights were sort of cool.

Again, I can't judge the game on my limited view of it.  I'll have to try the full release to determine if it can be fun for me in its own right.

I  think I've got to make sure not to expect it to be DAOC2 and judge it for its own merits.

 

 

Agreed, my anger comes from the sad fact that WAR cost way more than DaoC originaly cost to make, and i was a hardcore fan of DaoC (original not the junk added later) and to slap the player base in the face with a sub par product like WAR is almost insulting considering the funds and company background they have! And then they have the 'audacity' to tell us AFTER already prolonging the release date they are removing classes and cities at launch! i mean talk about about SWG all over again!

 

 

subutai22

I'd  have to guess that you lived a childhood full of regret and disappointment to turn into such a bitter hate filled person.  I've yet to read a single positive thing about any game you've tried or played.  I think I understand the issue you have, you're a hard core fan.  You want to be a fanboy to the n'th degree, but no one will make the perfect, most innovative, coolest, uber fanboy game for you to drool over.  They all have some flaw that gets in your craw and turns you into a hater.  So now you join the anger filled trolls that hate on everything and try to piss on everyone else's good time. 
 

It's well understood by the fanboys here that every game eventually disappoints you.  It's time for you to move on, we've heard you, your work is done.  We'll continue to use our own judgement of what we like instead of depending on your bitter disappointed judgement of what we should be playing.

I hope this helps.

Originally posted by sabutai22

Originally posted by Manakar

You named DAOCs RvR system as one example of innovation. { Mod Edit }its the same company that made DAOC, so yeah its still their innovative feature. Also just because I enjoy something you dont, does not make me a fanboy.If there is something terrible or broken about WAR I will admit it with no problems. Meaning when the game is launched and it has issues, I will be the first to point out those issues. Also if I comes to the point I no longer like the game I will be the first to cancel my account and say the game is terrible. 

Like I said, what MMORPG do you play that is so innovative? Please tell me about this MMORPG you play, where everything is so new and innovative to where its never been done before.

 

You do not seem to grasp anything i say, there for i can only speculate you just do not have enough knowlege or understanding to comprehend or read for that matter. I suggest you read before you post, oh and a little tip, name calling is childish.

By the way, allow me to clue you in abit more since you did not take the time to read or lack the know-how, when i said "DaoC was one of the very few MMO companies to implement diminishing returns for crowd control" that should have been a huge flag for anyone with enough knowledge to understand where i stand and background i have with Mythic. Anyway please dont waste our times, you make no sense and you lack too much knowledge to keep up!

 

 

I graps the fact that you are criticizing WAR/Mythic for lack of innovation. I also grasp the fact you make about diminishing returns on CC abilities and other mechanics. I understand you think WAR lacks innovation on a cosmetic and mechanical level.

With all that said, my question still remains.. What MMORPG do you play that is so innovative? All MMORPGs copy each other in some way or nother. Most MMORPGs have some new features that other companies either do not do or do not do well compared to them.

I guess you still play DAoC. Your expectations are too high is what I think. All genres copy each other, shooters, RPGs, RTSs, Hack & Slash..etc etc. If anything you act like each company is supposed to cure cancer. Sorry If i find games fun on their own merits and do not compare each game to look for innovation. Sorry I do not have to have complete innovation in each game I play to enjoy it.

Originally posted by zmortis

subutai22

I'd  have to guess that you lived a childhood full of regret and disappointment to turn into such a bitter hate filled person.  I've yet to read a single positive thing about any game you've tried or played.  I think I understand the issue you have, you're a hard core fan.  You want to be a fanboy to the n'th degree, but no one will make the perfect, most innovative, coolest, uber fanboy game for you to drool over.  They all have some flaw that gets in your craw and turns you into a hater.  So now you join the anger filled trolls that hate on everything and try to piss on everyone else's good time. 
 

It's well understood by the fanboys here that every game eventually disappoints you.  It's time for you to move on, we've heard you, your work is done.  We'll continue to use our own judgement of what we like instead of depending on your bitter disappointed judgement of what we should be playing.

I hope this helps.

Whoa your way off. Although im somewhat entertained, the truth couldnt be any further. My anger isnt childhood and perhaps anger may have been a poor choice in words.

However since you did bring it up, i am angry at the fact that MMO companies spend millions to create half backed games while Gas prices go up, food prices go up and we have a REAL WAR going on all while REAL men and women serving this country die!!! Then those same companies pay salaries that are out of the charts YET a large portion of schools are cutting down on bus stops to save gas, books are being recycled and chalk boards are old and broken! So yeah id say im angry at the stupidity of what MMO industry as become and whats worse are the 'fanbui's' that follow it!!

Hmm... People saying there will be no lag with 100-200 people (impossible!) and people calling it WoW 1.5. So that are people who expect too much of it vs people who didn't play (or they did play, and didn't want to enjoy it). This conversation can go on for a long, long time...

I'm pretty sure the game will have a 7-day trial or something like that soon after the release, if not... they're just begging for private servers. So either way, you can try the game for yourself, make up your own opinion of the game. Just keep your mind realistic, there WILL be lag during big fights, that's not the game's fault, it's just logical. The first few weeks WILL not be all that great, Mythic will most likely have a lack of servers, which takes a week - 2 weeks to solve.
But since I'm pretty sure the whole servers will get reset before launch, everybody will start of pretty much the same. So the PvP will be as balanced as it will ever be.

Originally posted by sgel

I'm either blind... or there's nothing there...

I've played countless other MMOs... and I'm playing two of them now... I've also been playing WAR beta... playing and playing actually, trying to find out what's all the fuss about.... is it the RvR ?

I've also been reading these forums and I've noticed a few people who keep on posting comments like "it will rock your socks off" or "prepare to be engulfed in the most amazing game ever" or "this will blow you away" or "this will devour every other MMO out there"...... now either these people are old addicted DAOC players who live to play RVR (which is fine) or they've never played other MMOs.....

I mean I've got feelings... I like playing games... but there's nothing about this game that would excite me...

What are these elements that are supposed to rock my socks off?

AHH!!!  I can Shennanagans!
 

No, seriously, we have no idea.  There are countless comments from those who are in beta (and many who claim they are, but AREN'T) about how this game r0xx0rZ...  But really the ONLY thing they're offering is a new setting/environment and the PROMISE of excellent PvP.  You can call it RvR all you want, but to me that should require more than 2 realms.  In the case of WAR, it's just open PvP.  Now, is it fun?  Are their scenarios for PvP good?  Can you REALLY level up solely by PvP?  Is world PvP fun and relativeley balanced?  ...WE WON'T KNOW FOR SURE UNTIL THE GAME LAUNCHES... 

Even with the glimpse they give you during open beta, we weon't know how things are going to play out for at least a few weeks after launch when players start to reach higher-level content and PvP combat.  And open beta will have a limited number of participants (or so I have read) of 50,000...  This game will likely open up with no less than 300-500k players, creating a WHOLE NEW feel and play for the game.  So, the people who are saying it will "knock your socks off" are overzealous fans.

Originally posted by brihtwulf

Originally posted by sgel

I'm either blind... or there's nothing there...

I've played countless other MMOs... and I'm playing two of them now... I've also been playing WAR beta... playing and playing actually, trying to find out what's all the fuss about.... is it the RvR ?

I've also been reading these forums and I've noticed a few people who keep on posting comments like "it will rock your socks off" or "prepare to be engulfed in the most amazing game ever" or "this will blow you away" or "this will devour every other MMO out there"...... now either these people are old addicted DAOC players who live to play RVR (which is fine) or they've never played other MMOs.....

I mean I've got feelings... I like playing games... but there's nothing about this game that would excite me...

What are these elements that are supposed to rock my socks off?

AHH!!!  I can Shennanagans!
 

No, seriously, we have no idea.  There are countless comments from those who are in beta (and many who claim they are, but AREN'T) about how this game r0xx0rZ...  But really the ONLY thing they're offering is a new setting/environment and the PROMISE of excellent PvP.  You can call it RvR all you want, but to me that should require more than 2 realms.  In the case of WAR, it's just open PvP.  Now, is it fun?  Are their scenarios for PvP good?  Can you REALLY level up solely by PvP?  Is world PvP fun and relativeley balanced?  ...WE WON'T KNOW FOR SURE UNTIL THE GAME LAUNCHES... 

Even with the glimpse they give you during open beta, we weon't know how things are going to play out for at least a few weeks after launch when players start to reach higher-level content and PvP combat.  And open beta will have a limited number of participants (or so I have read) of 50,000...  This game will likely open up with no less than 300-500k players, creating a WHOLE NEW feel and play for the game.  So, the people who are saying it will "knock your socks off" are overzealous fans.

No, you have no idea you're not in beta. Once the NDA comes down you'll know. And, yes, it's RVR not PvP.

Originally posted by Manakar
 

I graps the fact that you are criticizing WAR/Mythic for lack of innovation. I also grasp the fact you make about diminishing returns on CC abilities and other mechanics. I understand you think WAR lacks innovation on a cosmetic and mechanical level.

With all that said, my question still remains.. What MMORPG do you play that is so innovative? All MMORPGs copy each other in some way or nother. Most MMORPGs have some new features that other companies either do not do or do not do well compared to them.

I guess you still play DAoC. Your expectations are too high is what I think. All genres copy each other, shooters, RPGs, RTSs, Hack & Slash..etc etc. If anything you act like each company is supposed to cure cancer. Sorry If i find games fun on their own merits and do not compare each game to look for innovation. Sorry I do not have to have complete innovation in each game I play to enjoy it.

nah dont appologize, its society in general thats been programmed to think a certain way, i mean;

Do you use an ATM?

Do you have a saving account with your bank?

Do you drive from / to work every day? (most people do)

Do you use the phone?

Do you have cable TV?

Chances are you said yes to most if not all these questions, with that said if someone was funded enough money to make any of those easier and more convenient for you im more than sure you would take it as miscellaneous as those questions may sound it was innovation what drove their technology in order to improve everyones life style!

To not expect more from companies that get paid millions is like saying "i do not care about bettering my self or others!"

And please dont give me its a game mumbo jumbo, because its not. Its a business that makes lots of revenue and should be treated as such!

As a consumer you should always demand more, i mean you pay for it so why not!

Originally posted by brihtwulf

AHH!!!  I can Shennanagans!
 

No, seriously, we have no idea.  There are countless comments from those who are in beta (and many who claim they are, but AREN'T) about how this game r0xx0rZ...  But really the ONLY thing they're offering is a new setting/environment and the PROMISE of excellent PvP.  You can call it RvR all you want, but to me that should require more than 2 realms.  In the case of WAR, it's just open PvP.  Now, is it fun?  Are their scenarios for PvP good?  Can you REALLY level up solely by PvP?  Is world PvP fun and relativeley balanced?  ...WE WON'T KNOW FOR SURE UNTIL THE GAME LAUNCHES... 

Even with the glimpse they give you during open beta, we weon't know how things are going to play out for at least a few weeks after launch when players start to reach higher-level content and PvP combat.  And open beta will have a limited number of participants (or so I have read) of 50,000...  This game will likely open up with no less than 300-500k players, creating a WHOLE NEW feel and play for the game.  So, the people who are saying it will "knock your socks off" are overzealous fans.

All true points, but I still like it.  I'm still going to playing it.  I still don't like WoW.

But yes you can level by pvp.  There are rvr quests you grab every once in a while that help.  I stop doing normal quests at level 5.

Originally posted by sabutai22

Originally posted by Manakar
 

I graps the fact that you are criticizing WAR/Mythic for lack of innovation. I also grasp the fact you make about diminishing returns on CC abilities and other mechanics. I understand you think WAR lacks innovation on a cosmetic and mechanical level.

With all that said, my question still remains.. What MMORPG do you play that is so innovative? All MMORPGs copy each other in some way or nother. Most MMORPGs have some new features that other companies either do not do or do not do well compared to them.

I guess you still play DAoC. Your expectations are too high is what I think. All genres copy each other, shooters, RPGs, RTSs, Hack & Slash..etc etc. If anything you act like each company is supposed to cure cancer. Sorry If i find games fun on their own merits and do not compare each game to look for innovation. Sorry I do not have to have complete innovation in each game I play to enjoy it.

 

nah dont appologize, its society in general thats been programmed to think a certain way, i mean;

Do you use an ATM?

Do you have a saving account with your bank?

Do you drive from / to work every day? (most people do)

Do you use the phone?

Do you have cable TV?

Chances are you said yes to most if not all these questions, with that said if someone was funded enough money to make any of those easier and more convenient for you im more than sure you would take it as miscellaneous as those questions may sound it was innovation what drove their technology in order to improve everyones life style!

To not expect more from companies that get paid millions is like saying "i do not care about bettering my self or others!"

And please dont give me its a game mumbo jumbo, because its not. Its a business that makes lots of revenue and should be treated as such!

As a consumer you should always demand more, i mean you pay for it so why not!

 

 

 

Its a game get over it.

in al seriousness theres lots of items int he world that every time there or soemthing similair is released they arent improved jsut remarketed another way, get used to it.

My history...

EQ, EQ2, AC, AC2, AO, AoC, E&B, CoX, LotRO, DDO, DAoC, Eve, FFXI, MxO, Planetside, Ryzom, Shadowbane, SWG, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard, WW2 Online and WoW.

I've beta'd about 4-5 of those games and I'm currently beta testing WAR.

My favorites...

EQ is by far my all time D&D classic MMO. A game that made me feel like I was able to go anywhere and do anything.

DAoC is my all time favorite of PvE and PvP ( RvR ) combination ever created. Probably the best game in regards to amount of fun and entertaining strategy in any PvP game I've ever played. Shadowbane was fun too, but it was riddled with errors and GMs who abused the game.

CoX is my all time superhero game probably cause it's currently the only one available, amazing huh?

My view...

I will not lie and say WAR is going to kill WoW. I will not lie and say everyone will love WAR. WAR is unique in itself and offers something I see as a persistant end game experience that doesn't involve cookie cutter repititious PvE grind. Yes, a lot of the RvR is instanced, but there is a lot of open world RvR as well. So far, my sieging experience has been very enjoyable. I have one serious concern about the game, but will wait until launch to see how it pans out.

WAR isn't going to be a WoW killer and ignore the rabid fanboi spouts of joy. WAR will be WAR and people who really enjoy RvR at it's best will definately enjoy WAR.

Originally posted by dracomun

Its a game get over it.

 

in al seriousness theres lots of items int he world that every time there or soemthing similair is released they arent improved jsut remarketed another way, get used to it.

Could someone please translate?

Originally posted by sabutai22

Originally posted by dracomun

Its a game get over it.

 

in al seriousness theres lots of items int he world that every time there or soemthing similair is released they arent improved jsut remarketed another way, get used to it.

 

Could someone please translate?

 

Translation:  Most games are made up of items (elements) that are in other games, get used to it.

Originally posted by GreenChaos

Originally posted by sabutai22

Originally posted by dracomun

Its a game get over it.

 

in al seriousness theres lots of items int he world that every time there or soemthing similair is released they arent improved jsut remarketed another way, get used to it.

 

Could someone please translate?

 

 

Translation:  Most games are made up of items (elements) that are in other games, get used to it.

dracomun,

So if you had a walkman why purchase an iPod when most walkmans are made up of items (core electronic circuits) that are in other iPods, get used to it?

Originally posted by erandur

Hmm... People saying there will be no lag with 100-200 people (impossible!)

It is not impossible depending on your computer specs and settings. I know, I have been in beta for over 8 months and have seen MANY large scale battles and I run the game on a Gateway P6860fx laptop.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

My history...

EQ, EQ2, AC, AC2, AO, AoC, E&B, CoX, LotRO, DDO, DAoC, Eve, FFXI, MxO, Planetside, Ryzom, Shadowbane, SWG, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard, WW2 Online and WoW.

I've beta'd about 4-5 of those games and I'm currently beta testing WAR.

My favorites...

EQ is by far my all time D&D classic MMO. A game that made me feel like I was able to go anywhere and do anything.

DAoC is my all time favorite of PvE and PvP ( RvR ) combination ever created. Probably the best game in regards to amount of fun and entertaining strategy in any PvP game I've ever played. Shadowbane was fun too, but it was riddled with errors and GMs who abused the game.

CoX is my all time superhero game probably cause it's currently the only one available, amazing huh?

My view...

I will not lie and say WAR is going to kill WoW. I will not lie and say everyone will love WAR. WAR is unique in itself and offers something I see as a persistant end game experience that doesn't involve cookie cutter repititious PvE grind. Yes, a lot of the RvR is instanced, but there is a lot of open world RvR as well. So far, my sieging experience has been very enjoyable. I have one serious concern about the game, but will wait until launch to see how it pans out.

WAR isn't going to be a WoW killer and ignore the rabid fanboi spouts of joy. WAR will be WAR and people who really enjoy RvR at it's best will definately enjoy WAR.

You my man are bang on. WAR is rvr at it s finest. If people are worried about instanced rvr don t be theres alot of open world. Its there to please alot of peoples tastes. I personally enjoy alot of the pve as well though, but overall this post is correct.
 

Originally posted by sabutai22

Originally posted by Manakar
 

I graps the fact that you are criticizing WAR/Mythic for lack of innovation. I also grasp the fact you make about diminishing returns on CC abilities and other mechanics. I understand you think WAR lacks innovation on a cosmetic and mechanical level.

With all that said, my question still remains.. What MMORPG do you play that is so innovative? All MMORPGs copy each other in some way or nother. Most MMORPGs have some new features that other companies either do not do or do not do well compared to them.

I guess you still play DAoC. Your expectations are too high is what I think. All genres copy each other, shooters, RPGs, RTSs, Hack & Slash..etc etc. If anything you act like each company is supposed to cure cancer. Sorry If i find games fun on their own merits and do not compare each game to look for innovation. Sorry I do not have to have complete innovation in each game I play to enjoy it.

 

nah dont appologize, its society in general thats been programmed to think a certain way, i mean;

Do you use an ATM?  yes and its not the new and improved innovative ATM, any ATm will do..

Do you have a saving account with your bank?  Yes and it doesnt have to be the newest and most innovative bank in the world. As long as they hold my money and dont charge a crazy fee to do, I am fine..

Do you drive from / to work every day? (most people do)  Yes... and I do not drive the first combustion engine car just because its was the first to be innovative. Also I do not drive the lastest and greatest innovative car, as long as it gets me around and I like it...thats all that matters.

Do you use the phone? Yes and I do not use the lastest and greatest innovative phone, any wireless phone will do.

Do you have cable TV? Yes but satelite is the new and innovative technology so I guess I should move to that?

Chances are you said yes to most if not all these questions, with that said if someone was funded enough money to make any of those easier and more convenient for you im more than sure you would take it as miscellaneous as those questions may sound it was innovation what drove their technology in order to improve everyones life style!

To not expect more from companies that get paid millions is like saying "i do not care about bettering my self or others!"

And please dont give me its a game mumbo jumbo, because its not. Its a business that makes lots of revenue and should be treated as such!

As a consumer you should always demand more, i mean you pay for it so why not!

 

 

 

So everything you own/use is either the first ever created because it was innovative or the lastest and greatest because it is completely new and innovative.

this game sounds like a game for carebears to pvp in. Tell me where is the fun in running into battle, maybe killing someone and then dying ad nauseum. Without having something personal to lose every time you die, it really is just a zerg fest game for carebears.

Let me take your most valuable items, set you back an hours exp, and then it will be incredibly interesting to me.

Originally posted by GreenChaos

Originally posted by brihtwulf

AHH!!!  I can Shennanagans!
 

No, seriously, we have no idea.  There are countless comments from those who are in beta (and many who claim they are, but AREN'T) about how this game r0xx0rZ...  But really the ONLY thing they're offering is a new setting/environment and the PROMISE of excellent PvP.  You can call it RvR all you want, but to me that should require more than 2 realms.  In the case of WAR, it's just open PvP.  Now, is it fun?  Are their scenarios for PvP good?  Can you REALLY level up solely by PvP?  Is world PvP fun and relativeley balanced?  ...WE WON'T KNOW FOR SURE UNTIL THE GAME LAUNCHES... 

Even with the glimpse they give you during open beta, we weon't know how things are going to play out for at least a few weeks after launch when players start to reach higher-level content and PvP combat.  And open beta will have a limited number of participants (or so I have read) of 50,000...  This game will likely open up with no less than 300-500k players, creating a WHOLE NEW feel and play for the game.  So, the people who are saying it will "knock your socks off" are overzealous fans.

 

All true points, but I still like it.  I'm still going to playing it.  I still don't like WoW.

But yes you can level by pvp.  There are rvr quests you grab every once in a while that help.  I stop doing normal quests at level 5.

That is really cool if you can lvl just off PVP. As for as just 50,000 in preview  thats not right. It's gonna be all the closed beta people, all the CE people, and the first 50,000 regular Preorder  people.
 

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Originally posted by teiohFromSWG
this game sounds like a game for carebears to pvp in. Tell me where is the fun in running into battle, maybe killing someone and then dying ad nauseum. Without having something personal to lose every time you die, it really is just a zerg fest game for carebears.
Let me take your most valuable items, set you back an hours exp, and then it will be incredibly interesting to me.

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It isn't likely that a game like the one you seek is going to be popular in the future. It just doesn't capture enough of the player base. It does play more like a game than a world but that is just the path that MMORPG have taken in general.

Originally posted by sabutai22

Originally posted by GreenChaos

Originally posted by sabutai22

Originally posted by dracomun

Its a game get over it.

 

in al seriousness theres lots of items int he world that every time there or soemthing similair is released they arent improved jsut remarketed another way, get used to it.

 

Could someone please translate?

 

 

Translation:  Most games are made up of items (elements) that are in other games, get used to it.

 

dracomun,

So if you had a walkman why purchase an iPod when most walkmans are made up of items (core electronic circuits) that are in other iPods, get used to it?

 

More like cellphones. there a great example, most cellphones reuse items that are available on other phones ( or items) but make them more easily accesable or promote them more efficently without any real new functionality. obviously new stuff comes out eventually but its not an entirely new phone it uses alot of similair concepts with 1 or 2 new ideas, and everyone accepts this for what it is and rushes out and buys new cellphones, so why except more from an online game? technology can only advance so fast. obviously you couldnt grasp the simple idea there so i made it more clear for you.

Originally posted by teiohFromSWG

this game sounds like a game for carebears to pvp in. Tell me where is the fun in running into battle, maybe killing someone and then dying ad nauseum. Without having something personal to lose every time you die, it really is just a zerg fest game for carebears.

Let me take your most valuable items, set you back an hours exp, and then it will be incredibly interesting to me.

I have great news for you. You don't have to play the game! You can just leave that to the rest of us 

Nah seriously... Not everybody can devote most of their spare time to a game and for every 1 player that enjoys your idea of interesting gameplay, there'll most likely be a handful or 2 (probably more) who don't.

Originally posted by Ender4

 

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Originally posted by teiohFromSWG
this game sounds like a game for carebears to pvp in. Tell me where is the fun in running into battle, maybe killing someone and then dying ad nauseum. Without having something personal to lose every time you die, it really is just a zerg fest game for carebears.
Let me take your most valuable items, set you back an hours exp, and then it will be incredibly interesting to me.

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It isn't likely that a game like the one you seek is going to be popular in the future. It just doesn't capture enough of the player base. It does play more like a game than a world but that is just the path that MMORPG have taken in general.

I m going to agree yet disagree:) I find yes it plays like a game but i feel while playing it the world is really being effected so the world feel really is there. Not sure if thats just me but i had the same feeling in DAOC. Even more so in WAR though.

I'll say this, and anticipate the fanboi uproar that will follow...

I found AoC (even post 20)  to be more engaging that playing WAR. 

Hell, I currently find Tabula Rasa more  entertaining than WAR.   (And that says a lot).

The game is SLOW.    Combat is SLOW.   Characters are underwhelming at best, both in look and play diversity.   I don't want to really put the game down, I'm sure it will be well received by many as the greatest game of all time.. (just like AoC was till about 2 weeks after release and the "ZOMG pretty graphics" wore off)

But I figure, many gamers, like me, who have been looking for the next best thing, will be forced to keep looking, or settle for something else.   I think open beta will kill box sales of this game, because too many people will get in there, play it, and feel exactly as I, the OP and so many others do.  

I wish the game the best of luck, cause WoW needs some competition, but, (i never thought I'd say this...)  WoW is more fun...   /wrists

I can't wait till Open Beta hits, and these forums are flooded with AoC Style bitch fests!

Edit:  Before I'm called a Fanboi of something...  I do not play WoW any longer, or AoC.   I play LOTRO, which is the only game on the market that deserve to be played currently.   I've also  been enjoying the TR free trial promotion, but it doesn't seem like that game has much lasting appeal.    I played DAoC long ago, along with every other major release MMO..  Compared to all previous experiences...  There's just something about WAR that feels like 50 steps back instead of leap forward for gamers.

Originally posted by teiohFromSWG

this game sounds like a game for carebears to pvp in. Tell me where is the fun in running into battle, maybe killing someone and then dying ad nauseum. Without having something personal to lose every time you die, it really is just a zerg fest game for carebears.

Let me take your most valuable items, set you back an hours exp, and then it will be incredibly interesting to me.

You are looking at things from the individual perspective not the group / objective perspective.

Sure, getting killed is no big deal for that person who died.  But from the group perspective that is one less enemy on the field for about a minute.  Perhaps that was a healer.  Who do they go after next? They have to chose there targets carefully. 

Eliminate the right people in the right order and they can win that fight and take that objective.  So sure, getting killed is no big deal, but having your realm never advance to endgame because you strategies suck would be a big deal.

It's amazing that every thing you do in WAR contribute to the ever ongoing war with the enemy.

It's amazing that your contributions to the war will be noticable in the open world, not inside AV instance number 45930392.

It's amazing this game is made by the people who gave us DAOC, which had amazing groundbreaking RvR