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Rytif

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8/18/08 6:08:20 AM#26
Originally posted by efefia
Originally posted by ummax
Originally posted by efefia
Originally posted by Gutboy

Also from a guildy that is at fan fair, Blixtev said that the Kotor Bioware/LEC/EA game is NOT a MMO, the closest thing to it would be what Diablo 2 is now (as far as online access). So you can do the story line solo or team up with some players to do it online as well.

It's another reason why SWG is not going away, two different products.


 

One big problem with that assumption, BioWare announced an MMORPG, not a multiplayer RPG, there's a huge difference. Of course the MMORPG might not even be Star Wars, it might still be another project but either way, I'd play a wizards, fairies and swords shit mmo from BioWare before I played any MMO released by SOE, including Star Wars Galaxies and I say that as a life long Star Wars fan.


 

yes they announced an mmorpg in alliance with LA in 2006 that is the only official stuff we have

people have concluded and prematurely based on a "leaked" 1 sentance of information from the guy at EA that this 2006 release is kotor and its an mmorpg.  There is enough bloggery which is always kinda iffy cause blogs by people like this are created to get page views and the information is not necessarily accurate however there are blogs that call this EA thing a "game with a multilplayer element' and blogs that say its an "mmorpg".     So at this point it can be either until an official releas is made on la's site or ea's site or biowares site or preferably all 3.    That 1 liner was for page views and nothing more.  It worked to I bet..


 

No, they've essentially made 2 announcements, firstly that they've set up a new office purely for the production of an un-named MMO and secondly that they're collaborating with LA on a title, they could be one and the same or they may be 2 seperate projects, that much is still unknown. The only thing we do know for certain is that BioWare are definately going to be putting out a fully fledged MMORPG, not a Diablo, NWN etc multiplayer RPG. Everyone's seen all the evidence that's out there to say whether they're the same project or not and it's still down to personal opinion but I'm pretty damn certain a BioWare mmorpg, regardless of setting is going to be a game worth playing so Blix can play it down all he likes but even if it's not a Star Wars mmo it'll likely be a better product than anything currently or in the pipeline available from SOE.

 

 

Bioware has licensed Hero's Journey MMORPG engine. So it's quite a possibility.

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8/18/08 12:52:42 PM#27
Originally posted by Gutboy

Also from a guildy that is at fan fair, Blixtev said that the Kotor Bioware/LEC/EA game is NOT a MMO, the closest thing to it would be what Diablo 2 is now (as far as online access). So you can do the story line solo or team up with some players to do it online as well.

It's another reason why SWG is not going away, two different products.

 

 

    I agree SWG is not going anywhere. Just a week ago I decided to use my free play time SOE granted vets, and I must say I'm pleasantly surprised how this new development team is recovering the game. Once I done a lot of crash courses in learning all the new changes and content, and being able to set the UI back to how I liked it I was good to go. Next thing I know I was logging off five hours later. I've found myself logging in ever evening since I returned and enjoying myself. I know some will never let it go with the whole NGE thing, but for this once unhappy SWG player I've been pleasantly surprised by this new dev team on how they've  improved SWG, and I now play SWG again because I''m enjoying it. Farstar EU server is alive and well with community too. 

 

 All SOE & LA need to do now is declare SWG a theme park stage for all of the Star Wars time line for fans to have fun in, hopefully this will shut those hardcore Star wars fans up that there shouldn't be loads of  Jedi in  the current time line.

 

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8/18/08 3:24:23 PM#28

Wasn't Jett Lucas the kid in Ep2 that got ganked by the troopers on order 66?


I'd compare LA/SOE relying on Jett's judgement of the game to George Bush relying on Ronald Rumsfeld for the security of USA and their army, ah wait... Rumsfeld left. :) Anyways Rumsfeld was an idiot and didn't know wtf he was doing or saying- get my drift?


Apparently LA/SOE thinks Jett Lucas > 250K subs, but that's wrong. :P

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8/18/08 3:40:09 PM#29
Originally posted by Gutboy

George Lucas son > 250,000 disgruntled vets

 


 

If GL's son is paying SOE $3,747,500 a month + $14.99 you'll get no argument from me.

Asheron's Call. The one open world, classless progression, live team content oriented game that ALL game sites and developers show little respect for as a template to pattern future MMOs after.


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8/18/08 7:04:15 PM#30

So you are telling me that because the SOE developers told you that Bioware isn't making a Star Wars MMO it is a credible source?  Yet the CEO of EA tells you they are, and it isn't a credible source?

Funny stuff.

Of course the SOE developers are going to tell you that SWG isn't going away, IF IT GOES AWAY THEY DON'T HAVE A JOB.  Same old, same old.  Smedley promises an expansion in 2006, the developers promise collision detection in 2006, capital ships were promised after the NGE, and oh...  We were told by SOE that the CU was here to stay!

Yep, SOE is sure a credible source!  *rollseyes*

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8/18/08 8:35:34 PM#31

Don't be too proud of this technological terror SOE has constructed. The ability to amaze a handfull of fanbois is insignificant next to the power of the Veterans.

 

 

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8/18/08 8:43:03 PM#32
Originally posted by JestorRodo

Don't be too proud of this technological terror SOE has constructed. The ability to amaze a handfull of fanbois is insignificant next to the power of the Veterans.

 

 


 

You mean the veterans who have been oh-so-successful in shutting down SWG? Oh, wait ...

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8/18/08 8:48:30 PM#33
Originally posted by Gutboy

George Lucas son > 250,000 disgruntled vets

Wallet Power Rule:

Jeff Lucas (Free Account = $0/mo) < 250,000 former customers ($3.75 million/mo)

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8/18/08 8:50:18 PM#34
Originally posted by kobie173

You mean the veterans who have been oh-so-successful in shutting down SWG? Oh, wait ...

Earth to JestorFrodo ... you have no power.

The body is dying, the brain just doesn't believe it yet.

And that is why...

Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.

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8/18/08 8:59:15 PM#35
Originally posted by Gutboy
...

Remember this is not final version, and the quality is not great on the video but it does answer some questions for me.

...

Sorry vets, this game rocks.

 

The Hoth Battle does have potential, however the end result or implementation tends to not be as exciting as when first presented, due to cut in features, simplified game rules and bugs.  The Battle is a good theme park ride, but it does not offer anything else besides that.  As mentioned before, Star Wars Battle Front is good enough (maybe even better, a personal preference), has multi-player capability (I would believe just as much or more than the Instance), PvP, and does not cost $15/mo. 

Now IF the Hoth Battle had some kind of influence with the rest of the game world, then that becomes a completely different issue and has tremendous value.  And that should not stop with Hoth either...


Such an implementation could actually make SWG into a great game and bring back veterans.  Really, no joke.  Imagine, if there were other planets that had such wars with vehicles as with the Hoth Battle.  That each battlefield determined the control of the planet or region.  Kind of similar to Planetside you could say.  Effectively the long time promised Galactic Civil War.

If such a feature were to be added, then I would believe that the subscriber count in SWG would go up.


However, given past history and management practices, I think such a Golden Egg will be missed.

And that is why...

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8/18/08 9:01:57 PM#36

The reason Hoth is not a planet and is a instance is because LEC does not want to advance the timeline of the game.

 

Thunderous

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8/18/08 9:38:12 PM#37
Originally posted by Gutboy

The reason Hoth is not a planet and is a instance is because LEC does not want to advance the timeline of the game.

 


 

That makes NO sense...  It's in the game therefore the game timeline has been advanced.

The reason that Hoth is an instance and not a planet is because the SWG developers don't have the technical prowess to add anything meaningful to the game.  Instancing is about as lame as it gets.

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8/18/08 9:38:48 PM#38
Originally posted by JestorRodo

Don't be too proud of this technological terror SOE has constructed. The ability to amaze a handfull of fanbois is insignificant next to the power of the Veterans.

 

 


 

LMAO.  Too funny.

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boognish75

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8/18/08 9:43:15 PM#39

that looks bad ass, i cant wait to play this, vet here btw,

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8/18/08 9:45:56 PM#40
Originally posted by Gutboy

The reason Hoth is not a planet and is a instance is because LEC does not want to advance the timeline of the game.

 


 

it is also instanced like that as there is nothing on hoth but a battle and a snow beast according to the story, and imho it would be better instanced as a batlle than a an open snowy tundra with snow yettis all over the place.

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pdxgeek

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8/18/08 10:09:39 PM#41
Originally posted by JestorRodo

Don't be too proud of this technological terror SOE has constructed. The ability to amaze a handfull of fanbois is insignificant next to the power of the Veterans.

 

 

Especially since the entire video is just a cutscene.

talanisen

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8/18/08 10:19:30 PM#42
Originally posted by Gutboy

Also from a guildy that is at fan fair, Blixtev said that the Kotor Bioware/LEC/EA game is NOT a MMO, the closest thing to it would be what Diablo 2 is now (as far as online access). So you can do the story line solo or team up with some players to do it online as well.

It's another reason why SWG is not going away, two different products.

 

This doesn't even come close to qualifying as a rumor.

"This guy that I met and only know through the internet told me that he talked to a game developer that works in the same city as Bioware, and that developer told him that the top secret Star Wars game his competitor is developing isn't actually a MMO that will compete with and perhaps even lead to the shutdown of his MMO, but is just a multiplayer game... so you should keep on playing his game and pumping money into it."

1) Frankly, your guildy just isn't anything like a reliable source.

2) Even if Blix siad it, *he* isn't anything like a reliable source.

 

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8/18/08 10:28:26 PM#43

This Blixtev that you speak of, is he the one that recently took a nerf bat to the BH profession, pissing off a sufficient amount of bh players...........? 

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8/18/08 11:10:32 PM#44
Originally posted by Gutboy

The reason Hoth is not a planet and is a instance is because LEC does not want to advance the timeline of the game.

 

And that is another reason why SWG will not be great.

Players cannot impact the story arc.


Why can't SWG be of the Alternate Star War's Universe?  What if the Rebels held out at Echo Base and defeated the Empire or what if Darth Vader was *gasp* slain by a player? 

Why not allow for such possibilities?

After all SWG does not mirror the movies of Episodes 4 and 5.

And that is why...

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efefia

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8/19/08 5:44:05 AM#45
Originally posted by boognish75
Originally posted by Gutboy

The reason Hoth is not a planet and is a instance is because LEC does not want to advance the timeline of the game.

 


 

it is also instanced like that as there is nothing on hoth but a battle and a snow beast according to the story, and imho it would be better instanced as a batlle than a an open snowy tundra with snow yettis all over the place.


 

lol battle of Hoth, in and around Echo base but it's nothing to do with ESB, no sireeeeee the timeline hasn't advanced, nope.

If LEC approve this shit for implementation in the game without allowing an advance of the timeline it's almost as bad as them allowing a dozen Jedi to be duelling outside Mos Eisley SP.

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8/19/08 6:16:33 AM#46
Originally posted by kobie173
Originally posted by JestorRodo

Don't be too proud of this technological terror SOE has constructed. The ability to amaze a handfull of fanbois is insignificant next to the power of the Veterans.

 

 


 

You mean the veterans who have been oh-so-successful in shutting down SWG? Oh, wait ...

Earth to JestorFrodo ... you have no power.

  
 

  I have not idea what you are talking about but as far as this instance only  cutscreen side show of SOE's it is putting their best face forward.  Later with the hands on demo of this instance - it was super buggy and rubberbandy.  Yes,  SOE  knows how to market their successes and shadow their shame.

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8/19/08 6:28:11 AM#47
Originally posted by Zorvan
Originally posted by Suvroc
Originally posted by Gutboy

Also from a guildy that is at fan fair, Blixtev said that the Kotor Bioware/LEC/EA game is NOT a MMO, the closest thing to it would be what Diablo 2 is now (as far as online access). So you can do the story line solo or team up with some players to do it online as well.

It's another reason why SWG is not going away, two different products.


 

I'd be curious to know if Blixtev is speculating like everyone else or does he have some inside information? What I mean to say is he only commenting on his interperatation of the interview with the EA president or does he infact have more information?

I for one cannot imagine a developer making a game that is not an MMO anymore, or at least one that does not use a business model of continued payment over time. Anything less then a real MMO seems like it's going to be a step backwards and a let down for a whole lot of people. I really feel that a SW game (particularily one using the PC as a platform) needs to be an MMO to reach the massive audience developers are looking to.

But regarding the videos I have to admit they do look impressive, but I certainly agree with pdxgeek in that they look like cutscenes rather then actual gameplay. It looks like they showed you just enough to imply things that may not even be up to people's expectations.

We'll just have to wait and see, but experience has taught me not to get overly excited.

Well, you have to consider that LucasArts is contractually obligated to SOE as much as SOE is to LA. So LA would more than likely have to disclose whether any new Star Wars mmos are indeed coming out. So it is indeed possible for Blixtev to have that info.
 


 

This speculation might just be accurate. Sounds lots like Fable 2. You can bring people into your own personal world. You have a huge effect on your own world this way as everyones world is unique.

Whatever bioware is doing I feel The Old Republic is going to rock.

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8/19/08 6:56:09 AM#48
Originally posted by JestorRodo
Originally posted by kobie173
Originally posted by JestorRodo

Don't be too proud of this technological terror SOE has constructed. The ability to amaze a handfull of fanbois is insignificant next to the power of the Veterans.

 

 


 

You mean the veterans who have been oh-so-successful in shutting down SWG? Oh, wait ...

Earth to JestorFrodo ... you have no power.

  
 

  I have not idea what you are talking about but as far as this instance only  cutscreen side show of SOE's it is putting their best face forward.  Later with the hands on demo of this instance - it was super buggy and rubberbandy.  Yes,  SOE  knows how to market their successes and shadow their shame.


 

Not quite sure how, since all the people I talked to who went to the Fan Faire said there was no hands on preview of Hoth, only that video.

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8/19/08 11:05:20 AM#49

Hmm.. Looks like crap tbh. Lets wait and see if this is worth even trying on free-trial.

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8/19/08 12:37:15 PM#50

Just a cookie-cutter instance on top of a bad combat engine.  This is still the SWG development team we are talking about here so I don't expect much.  I will try it when the next vet trial rolls around.

Would have been a heck of a lot cooler if Hoth was an actual planet one could explore and there was a constant batlefield taking place.  It would have given a lot more meaning to the GCW.  But these guys are only capable of these cookie-cutter instances, so it seems.

It won't be enough to keep subs because the core elements of the game are still busted;  combat, economy, painfully dull professions, and an aweful grind.  But it will give all the fanbois something to tell us about for a month or so until they are bored of it.

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