Age of Conan

Does anyone have proof their numbers are being misrepresented ? I ask because I see so many clinging to the argument like it's a fact .

Honestly people I wouldn't argue to much with Litigator_AB.  He isn't who he claims to be.   I have a pretty good idea of who he is affiliated with now.  With a little bit of research just by his posts alone on this forum you could probably guess who it is as well.

Originally posted by Dethnoble

Honestly people I wouldn't argue to much with Litigator_AB.  He isn't who he claims to be.   I have a pretty good idea of who he is affiliated with now.  With a little bit of research just by his posts alone on this forum you could probably guess who it is as well.

Originally posted by Dethnoble

Honestly people I wouldn't argue to much with Litigator_AB.  He isn't who he claims to be.   I have a pretty good idea of who he is affiliated with now.  With a little bit of research just by his posts alone on this forum you could probably guess who it is as well.

Indeed.  I think it is hardly coincidence that he signed up just today, and apparently for the sole purpose of spinning the bad press funcom is getting.

You guys should really do a search on his post history on the official forums.  He started out as a fan of the game and then realized, like all of us, how bad things were going.  There are different types of investors and he's the kind that banks on failures.  There is no conspiracy theory here.

Octa,

Can you provide links of his from the official forums of his various posts there?

Originally posted by Dethnoble

Octa,

Can you provide links of his from the official forums of his various posts there?

Here's one:

http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?p=1450181#post1450181

He explains he's a lawyer from Edmonton. 

It's a Canadian conspiracy!

Originally posted by Splixxer

Originally posted by Myrdek

This is an analysis of Funcoms Subscription numbers based on only the facts we have been given
May 20       - Launch
May 26       - 400k Players
June 30      - 700k Account created (includes those who quit)
June 30      - 415k Subscribers (Q2 Report)
Total boxes sold = 800k (can't find any date for this)

I do not agree with your math as it is based on assumptions in my opinion.

1. The retention rate being 28% (~115k/400k) is pure speculation. It is impossible for you to deduct objectively, exactly how many of the first 400k costumers are still playing based on your numbers. It is highly unlikely that all of the 285k (700k-415k) players who left the game purchased AoC prior to May 26th. As far as i can tell, 59% (415k/700k) is the retention rate on June 30th, but this number is by no means a constant and I would be careful with predicting how this number fluctuates.

2. How can you estimate 100k boxsales for July and none at all for August? The report does mention the sale of 1.2M copies, which as far as I understand means that there are another 400k boxes in retail which may be bought. So if they sell at a steady rate (20%=100k/500k), that would equal another 80k boxes sold in august. (Note: I am not sure of the terminology of the report. My point is just that no sales in August will not hold true.)

Conclusion: You present a vague math based on speculation. How can you expect your numbers to have more credibility than published figures of a financial report, figures which can have serious legal consequences?

 

1- pure speculation? These are the numbers that Funcom itself gave. Of course it's not a constant, it's a prediction based on fact. It's the same as pollings done by NPD, it's not 100% and has a margin of error.

2- Because I decided to put them all in the earliest month to make it even more positive for Funcom. We know it sold 800k boxes, and we know it didn't go over 850k or it would be mentionned in the latest reports. Especially by how Funcom loves to spin their numbers

My numbers are based on what we have and actually fit everything we've heard from numerous sources about the state of the game. As for the Financial report, my numbers do not contradict any of the monetary figures put in it. It just means that, unlike what Litigator thinks, Funcom expects a more steady decline in subscription numbers than he assumed.

Originally posted by Litigator_AB

The presentation says per August 14, not the official report. Companies fudge numbers and wording in presentations all the time.

The only alternative to believe is that there is exactly the same number of subscriptions from June 30th to August 14th which would be silly to believe.

It's not rocket science folks, one of those dates is correct, is it really that difficult to figure out which one?

 

You can't fudge and massage numbers to investors like that.   As soon as you get into specifics, the specifics had better be right. 

They are AS legally liable to the presentation as they are to the report. 

And that is not rocket science. :)]

Lit

I can only assume you are very unfamiliar with the corporate world or are very naive.

All of your above posts all you keep doing is playing the same "song" over and over again, you havent said a single new thing or presented a single fact or proof to your claims, "it couldnt be like that because funcom couldnt have lost <insert % here>" and "funcom cant lie to investors" that has been the base of all your arguments ever since you started posting on this thread.