Originally posted by jmatt55

Not sure I understand all the hatred for this game.  Yes, I have my quibbles with it too but does everyone really need to sit here and endlessly cheer for the demise of the company, etc?

Really.  It's a frigging game.  If you don't enjoy it, play something else.  I've hung out in a zillion gaming forums and this is easily the most negative one I've come across.

Like I said, not sure I understand the personal animosity and seething disdain.  I mean, if you had played for 9 months and suddenly had you inventory wiped out or something, that's one thing.

But you bought a game, played for a month or two, decided you didn't like or were irked by a few bugs ... don't you feel like the reaction is a bit over the top?

I dunno.  Just an observation from a noob wandering into this forum.

Simple the biggest fans were disappointed how game turned out and they are on mission now to do whatever they can to present game in worst possible way.

Sure Funcom messed up a LOT and did quite few mistakes it the game really that BAD, simple answear NO its good and funny game. Can i play AoC for years in the state it is now -> no because once you reach max level there is nothing really to do :

- you have some raids ( you can do each one only once per week -> cool down reset every Saturday )
- sieging is borked atm ( you can attack etc.. but it does not matter what you do at the end you wont win as atatcker )
- you can do some PvP for fun but no XP or loot reward ( gets boring sooner or later )

Is AoC worth 50$ -> defenitely ..is it worth paying aditional 15$ per month -> if you max level NO, except if you wanna do ALT's

btw based on they sold like 700K units and you see maybe 20 hate trolls its not that bad really, one would expect 20.000 people trolling ... keep in mind all this names you see now will start to troll some other game soon ( as soon as they figure out is not what they expected even if its released in perfect condition )

p.s. Dont confuse trolls with disapointed players ( and AoC sure have lots and lots of thoes -> even me )

I think we owe it to the other MMO gamers out there who are lucky enough to have not wasted money on this game. They deserve to know the truth about how Funcom is in the business of decieving people and expecting them to stay loyal subscribers.

Originally posted by jmatt55

were irked by a few bugs ...

Dictionary definition of few: "amounting to or consisting of a small number." Broken core game is not a few bugs.

You want an honest answer? We hate the game because people like you love twisting the facts about it in order to somehow downplay the fact we got deliberately ripped off by a company who knew they were selling a broken product but they lied about it so that can sell it.

If this was not a computer game, the said company would get sued and customers would get their money back. But because its a game there is no problem because apparenly I can just "leave quietly and go play something else". But of course I will never get my money back, would I.

It's not the 50 Euros but that feeling you just got ripped off by some assholes.

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Funcom really doesnt deserve to succeed to be honest. People loved what AoC represented before it launched, however the people behind the "product" are very hate worthy at this point. The company that dropped a piece of crap wrapped in tin foil when they advertised pure gold tends create a bit of anger, justified anger.

People were ripped off, lied to and treated like shit by Funcom. When you pay for a service you dont want to be treated like semi-downsyndromed child who pays their bills. Their mods are abusive, mass bannings for no reason, lies on top of lies. So hating AoC is Hating Funcom and AoC is a trash product at this point.

They think their customers are stupid, and most of them are not. The people still playing the game and expecting those "rewards" are the only ones fooled by Funcoms sugar coated empty plans.

Look, people hated Vanguard for the same reason when Sigil was behind it. Now the game is great that Sony took over and actually made good on what Sigil didnt give their players. AoC needs to be handed to someone else, but that wont happen sadly since AoC's built off of Funcoms own "super secret special" game engine. The same one that took them years to make work for AO.

Funcom doesnt learn from their mistakes. The company is a joke, and the joke is on those who truly expect good things and honesty from the company.

Couldn't have said it any better. Well explained. Thumbs up.

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Funcom really doesnt deserve to succeed to be honest. People loved what AoC represented before it launched, however the people behind the "product" are very hate worthy at this point. The company that dropped a piece of crap wrapped in tin foil when they advertised pure gold tends create a bit of anger, justified anger.

People were ripped off, lied to and treated like shit by Funcom. When you pay for a service you dont want to be treated like semi-downsyndromed child who pays their bills. Their mods are abusive, mass bannings for no reason, lies on top of lies. So hating AoC is Hating Funcom and AoC is a trash product at this point.

They think their customers are stupid, and most of them are not. The people still playing the game and expecting those "rewards" are the only ones fooled by Funcoms sugar coated empty plans.

Look, people hated Vanguard for the same reason when Sigil was behind it. Now the game is great that Sony took over and actually made good on what Sigil didnt give their players. AoC needs to be handed to someone else, but that wont happen sadly since AoC's built off of Funcoms own "super secret special" game engine. The same one that took them years to make work for AO.

Funcom doesnt learn from their mistakes. The company is a joke, and the joke is on those who truly expect good things and honesty from the company.

 Rabenwolf hit the nail on the head, great post.

Originally posted by grimfall

A. Shape a unique character and forge your destiny as one of four archetypes - Check - they didn't even drop classes like WOW and WAR did.

LOL. Really? Have you every heard of the Lich? Scourge of Derketo, Stormcaller, Druid, Reaver, Defiler, Lotus Master, Master Thief, Waylayer, Halberdier, Liberator, Zealot? Guess what happened to all these classes? Exactly. Dropped before release.

Now you will probably claim that these classes were not dropped but simply "merged" with other classes. Right... now I see the truth. If that is so, then the Choppa was also merged with the Black Orc.

What I love best about rabid fanboys is that they care very little for fact or truth. They will say anything in order to defend their beloved game so unjustly under attack by those 10-15 haters who "troll" the boads.

Originally posted by urbanmonkey

Originally posted by grimfall

A. Shape a unique character and forge your destiny as one of four archetypes - Check - they didn't even drop classes like WOW and WAR did.

 

LOL. Really? Have you every heard of the Lich? Scourge of Derketo, Stormcaller, Druid, Reaver, Defiler, Lotus Master, Master Thief, Waylayer, Halberdier, Liberator, Zealot? Guess what happened to all these classes? Exactly. Dropped before release.

Now you will probably claim that these classes were not dropped but simply "merged" with other classes. Right... now I see the truth. If that is so, then the Choppa was also merged with the Black Orc.

What I love best about rabid fanboys is that they care very little for fact or truth. They will say anything in order to defend their beloved game so unjustly under attack by those 10-15 haters who "troll" the boads.

My mistake, I hadn't heard of all those classes.
 

So, let's say they didn't drop classes 2 months before launch, ike WAR (or capital cities).  Their timeline for dropping those classes is probably similar to what Blizzard did.

What I love about furious trolls is that they care very little for objectivity or facts. They will say anything to attack some game, because it didn't conform to their ridiculous expectations.

Even in this string of non-sensical rants there is some just pure lies 'Core gameplay is broken'.  Core gameplay is attacking and killing monsters.  How is that broken?

They think their customers are stupid, and most of them are not. The people still playing the game and expecting those "rewards" are the only ones fooled by Funcoms sugar coated empty plans.

Or, here in the real world we have this evidence:

1. Funcom releases weekly patches to address the problems.

2. AoC's go live was better than Funcom's previous effort , and better than many other recent MMO openings, like Vanguard and Hellgate.

3. Anarchy Online, despite being released in a not very good shape, turned into a very solid game, so why would you expect AoC to follow any different path?

It's really pretty assinine, what the legend of trolls expect.  Do you want Funcom to take all of their boxes out of the stores and say 'We realesed the game too early, don't play it!'?  That's not an option, so why do you keep on acting like it is?

All they can do is work to fix their game and finish the content that is supposed to be in it.  What more do you want?  Seriously, what do you want to them to do?  They're not going to refund you your money.  Short of that, what would you do if you were them?

Originally posted by grimfall

They think their customers are stupid, and most of them are not. The people still playing the game and expecting those "rewards" are the only ones fooled by Funcoms sugar coated empty plans.

Or, here in the real world we have this evidence:

1. Funcom  some times releases weekly patches to break more of the game while adding more imbalance to the current class system, other wise they ban players for problems they cannot fix in time and have no idea how to go about actually fixing the problem rather than just make changes and hope they work out well, often conflicting with the original goal of the feature, example...siege mounts. They have no QA team that tests the said changes to see if there are game breaking bugs.

2. AoC's go live was better than Funcom's previous effort (which wasnt much of an effort at all, rather just a lot of money thrown around in an effort to hide the little progress made since beta) , and better than many other recent MMO openings, like Vanguard and Hellgate, which are only two games i can mention. One isnt even an MMORPG and the other had the developers admit to their player base "we shouldnt have released the game in its current state but we had no choice due to pressure from publishers and lack of funds". Funcom is still toting the "everything is perfectly fine and on schedule, no problems what so ever, and if you find one...we will ban you. :-)

3. Anarchy Online, despite being released in  non playable shape and absolutely horrendous, turned into a some what solid game after years of slow patches and blunders, so why would you expect AoC to follow any different path? Maybe because developers learn from their mistakes and learn from their own damn game engine!

It's really pretty assinine, what the legend of trolls expect.  Do you want Funcom to take all of their boxes out of the stores and say 'We realesed the game too early, don't play it!'?  That's not an option, so why do you keep on acting like it is? Vanguard did it, now its a playable game. WAR is doing it, they cannot put in all the features but are willing to tell everyone first and make sure the game is playable instead of pretend nothing is wrong. Sadly, there are blind and ignorant fanboys who really know nothing of the business and feel that just because of their dedication and frustration, that they are there fore the number 1 source of rational thinking, in which, they are not. I Grimfall throw out the word Reality, when i choose to not be a part of it, as seen in my white texted sentences. To lie and not deliver on a product is allowed and accepted because its the "ONLY" option. /sarcasm  You can give people crap and tell them its chocolate, some are just foolish enough to believe you because they want to believe you despite the smell and even though it taste like crap, they shout to everyone else how good it is. *roll eyes*

All they can do is work to fix their game and finish the content that is supposed to be in it.  What more do you want? Smart Fixes? Actual intelligence behind their changes? Honesty? Priorities? Maybe stop working on the retail expansion for 2009 while their game is broken? Maybe stop production on their new mmorpg "the secret world" until AoC is where they said it would be for launch? Or maybe stop the graphical engine overhaul for Anarchy Online when their other product is in a state of SoS? Seriously, what do you want to them to do?  A good job! Even a half decent job would do... Honesty? Stopping Mod and GM abuse? Customer Service?They're not going to refund you your money.  So we should give them a pat on the back and support them? Short of that, what would you do if you were them? Probably start by hiring experienced production managers and leads. Think before you act, follow a strict list of changes that will be made by each team, meet deadlines, ACTUALLY HAVE QA testing, Be honest with the community and make them trust you, finally stop making last minute changes while using bandaids to fix gaping wounds because they cannot spend the time in making quality fixes. Not penalizing the players for the teams own incapabilities.

Even I, experienced and educated in game design, can do a much better job than the 24 year old production lead they have for AoC. Most of their team consist of young and not very smart employees.  Knowing your own engine, having a strong and skilled team, being consistent and on time, and knowing the industry as well as basic game design theory go a long way. Too bad no one actually taught those kids in Norway how to design a game. A shame really.

Nice try but, as we say... no cigar.

Fixed and Fixed!

Originally posted by grimfall

Originally posted by urbanmonkey

Originally posted by grimfall

A. Shape a unique character and forge your destiny as one of four archetypes - Check - they didn't even drop classes like WOW and WAR did.

 

LOL. Really? Have you every heard of the Lich? Scourge of Derketo, Stormcaller, Druid, Reaver, Defiler, Lotus Master, Master Thief, Waylayer, Halberdier, Liberator, Zealot? Guess what happened to all these classes? Exactly. Dropped before release.

Now you will probably claim that these classes were not dropped but simply "merged" with other classes. Right... now I see the truth. If that is so, then the Choppa was also merged with the Black Orc.

What I love best about rabid fanboys is that they care very little for fact or truth. They will say anything in order to defend their beloved game so unjustly under attack by those 10-15 haters who "troll" the boads.

My mistake, I hadn't heard of all those classes.
 

So, let's say they didn't drop classes 2 months before launch, ike WAR (or capital cities).  Their timeline for dropping those classes is probably similar to what Blizzard did.

What I love about furious trolls is that they care very little for objectivity or facts. They will say anything to attack some game, because it didn't conform to their ridiculous expectations.

Even in this string of non-sensical rants there is some just pure lies 'Core gameplay is broken'.  Core gameplay is attacking and killing monsters.  How is that broken?

So you didn't know about those classes, but you want to sit here and tell us what Funcom did, or did not promise? I followed the game for 3 years and know everything they said was going to be ingame.

Core gameplay is attacking monsters? lmao! So killing monsters is the core of a PvP game right?

The game is flawed to the core, and the core includes item stats, skills, etc.. but, lemme guess, you never had problems with skills, so nobody else has either, just like the technical problems people have, but it's their computer right?

Keep talking about other games too, it won't change the fact that this game is horrible.

To OP

Do you really not know why people post here about this "game" from Funcom? Why they hate it so much, and the reason they are letting everyone else know? Well, sense you have no clue let me break it down for you. Funcom lied to everyone and are still doing it today. Read your box, a lot of things are missing, go to Youtube and look at some of the videos Funcom Marketing put up to sale this game, a lot of what they pushed isn't in the game or doesn't work. So it's everyone RIGHT as a customer to inform other players of this. So you will just have to deal with it. I spent 50 bucks for a lie from Funcom so I'm telling everyone I can that the game stinks, I wouldn't play it if it was free.

Peace

1. Funcom  some times releases weekly patches to break more of the game while adding more imbalance to the current class system, other wise they ban players for problems they cannot fix in time and have no idea how to go about actually fixing the problem rather than just make changes and hope they work out well, often conflicting with the original goal of the feature, example...siege mounts. They have no QA team that tests the said changes to see if there are game breaking bugs.

Quick question here: If you aren't playing the game, how do you know what has been broken. Their last patch, please list the features that 'added more class imbalance'.  Then list the new 'breaks' that they released. 

Very interesting how instead of using facts, you use an ugly font color. Just try using some facts, and quit lieing,  if you want to have have a discussion.

2. AoC's go live was better than Funcom's previous effort (which wasnt much of an effort at all, rather just a lot of money thrown around in an effort to hide the little progress made since beta) , and better than many other recent MMO openings, like Vanguard and Hellgate, which are only two games i can mention. One isnt even an MMORPG and the other had the developers admit to their player base "we shouldnt have released the game in its current state but we had no choice due to pressure from publishers and lack of funds". Funcom is still toting the "everything is perfectly fine and on schedule, no problems what so ever, and if you find one...we will ban you. :-)

More lies.  Funcom doesn't ban anyone for finding bugs.  They ban people for finding bugs, then taking advantage of them.  The game has bugs, I've reported them, not tried to take advantage of them and guess what.... I didn't get banned.  Hellgate meets MMORPG's qualification of being an MMORPG, so guess what, I will take that over your lies.

3. Anarchy Online, despite being released in  non playable shape and absolutely horrendous, turned into a some what solid game after years of slow patches and blunders, so why would you expect AoC to follow any different path? Maybe because developers learn from their mistakes and learn from their own damn game engine!

So we have the truth, which is what I said, and then we have some swearing.  AoC's launch was better than AO's. This is the truth.  It didn't take 'years' to fix AO.  Another lie.

It's really pretty assinine, what the legions of trolls expect.  Do you want Funcom to take all of their boxes out of the stores and say 'We realesed the game too early, don't play it!'?  That's not an option, so why do you keep on acting like it is? Vanguard did it, now its a playable game. WAR is doing it, they cannot put in all the features but are willing to tell everyone first and make sure the game is playable instead of pretend nothing is wrong. Sadly, there are blind and ignorant fanboys who really know nothing of the business and feel that just because of their dedication and frustration, that they are there fore the number 1 source of rational thinking, in which, they are not. I Grimfall throw out the word Reality, when i choose to not be a part of it, as seen in my white texted sentences. To lie and not deliver on a product is allowed and accepted because its the "ONLY" option. /sarcasm  You can give people crap and tell them its chocolate, some are just foolish enough to believe you because they want to believe you despite the smell and even though it taste like crap, they shout to everyone else how good it is. *roll eyes*

WAR is under an NDA with the release date a month away.  We'll see about that one, but odds are it's going to have problems.  As the release gets closer you learn more and more about what it's really going to be like 'Instanced city sieges' being this week's revelation.  WAR is making excuses for these changes, too, but being reality challenged, you probably gloss over them. Oh, we can't have more than 96 players in an area.  Oh, there's no point in having 6 capital cities for 6 areas, there won't be enough people to populate those seiges... 6 x 96 = 576.  Mythic doesn't think that a server will have 576 people who want to play at the same time.

Find a quote where anyone involved with Vanguard said 'Don't play it'.  Did they stop charging subscribers? Another lie.  Vanguard didn't take their game off the store shelves.  Another lie.

I already listed the 7 things the box said you would get when you bought AoC.  They delivered 6 of them at launch, and one wasn't working but they are fixing it.  So, yup you lied again.

All they can do is work to fix their game and finish the content that is supposed to be in it.  What more do you want? Smart Fixes? Actual intelligence behind their changes? Honesty? Priorities? Maybe stop working on the retail expansion for 2009 while their game is broken? Maybe stop production on their new mmorpg "the secret world" until AoC is where they said it would be for launch? Or maybe stop the graphical engine overhaul for Anarchy Online when their other product is in a state of SoS?

This part here really shows your ignoarance of how companies work.  'Smar fixes' - we've already discovered that you lied about that.  The next sentence is the same thing you said in the previous sentence, repeating the same lie for the third time in one post.  I suppose there's some record you're going for.  Honesty.  Read the patch notes, they say that there are problems and they ware  working to fix them.  Read the forums, the same thing.  So we have another lie from you.  How do you know that they're working on their 2009 retail expansion?  Have you sat down with some Funcom employees?  Even if they are working on an expansion, it's likely that the people doing that work aren't involved in the type of problems AoC is having.  So, we won't call that a lie (even though you are making things up) we'll just call that ignorance.  Same thing with Secret World, and Anarchy Online - though you're contradicting yourself by saying that they should stop working on Anarchy Online and fix Conan, since they're both released games.

Seriously, what do you want to them to do?  A good job! Even a half decent job would do... Honesty? Stopping Mod and GM abuse? Customer Service?

Their customer service has been very good with me so far.  Have you had any bad experiences with it or are you just lieing again?  Mod and GM abuse, I guess it's point of view.  The AoC moderators don't moderate their boards where people act like rational adults.  The swearing and ranting, some of that (not all) gets moderated.  Go to Microsoft and start swearing at them, see what happens.  The GM abuse smacks more of urban legends than anything concreted.

They're not going to refund you your money.  So we should give them a pat on the back and support them?

You should just not play the game.  Make a review of it, and give it a bad review.  But don't spreading lies because you were disapointed with the game.  Be honest and objective, like a mature person.

Short of that, what would you do if you were them? Probably start by hiring experienced production managers and leads. Think before you act, follow a strict list of changes that will be made by each team, meet deadlines, ACTUALLY HAVE QA testing, Be honest with the community and make them trust you, finally stop making last minute changes while using bandaids to fix gaping wounds because they cannot spend the time in making quality fixes. Not penalizing the players for the teams own incapabilities.

Some of those suggestions have merit.  However, bring in a completely new management team would probably take about 6 months.  You also, pretend to know much more about Funcom than you actually do, agian slipping into the world of dellusion.  Please describe one bandaind fix they put in over a 'gaping wound', I haven't seen any evidence of that.

Even I, experienced and educated in game design, can do a much better job than the 24 year old production lead they have for AoC. Most of their team consist of young and not very smart employees. 

How do you know the ages and IQ's of the Funcom employees.  Based on your inability to support your rant with any actual facts, I would probably hire one of them blind over hiring you. 

Knowing your own engine, having a strong and skilled team, being consistent and on time, and knowing the industry as well as basic game design theory go a long way. Too bad no one actually taught those kids in Norway how to design a game. A shame really.

Now you're talking about basic design.  If you took a basic composition class, you would know that you summarize in the last paragraph of an essay.  Here you're changing the subject.  What are the flawed 'basic game design' elements that you see? 

Nice try but, as we say... no cigar.

I agree.  If you want to bring it, keep the font colors at home, and come with facts next time.  Try to make sensical, relevant points.  Most of your complaints are about development, QA and support, but then you say that they have flawed game design.  Being that you seem to think you have some sort of degree on the subject, you should probably know the difference.

Originally posted by Chill_Factor

Originally posted by grimfall

Originally posted by urbanmonkey

Originally posted by grimfall

A. Shape a unique character and forge your destiny as one of four archetypes - Check - they didn't even drop classes like WOW and WAR did.

 

LOL. Really? Have you every heard of the Lich? Scourge of Derketo, Stormcaller, Druid, Reaver, Defiler, Lotus Master, Master Thief, Waylayer, Halberdier, Liberator, Zealot? Guess what happened to all these classes? Exactly. Dropped before release.

Now you will probably claim that these classes were not dropped but simply "merged" with other classes. Right... now I see the truth. If that is so, then the Choppa was also merged with the Black Orc.

What I love best about rabid fanboys is that they care very little for fact or truth. They will say anything in order to defend their beloved game so unjustly under attack by those 10-15 haters who "troll" the boads.

My mistake, I hadn't heard of all those classes.
 

So, let's say they didn't drop classes 2 months before launch, ike WAR (or capital cities).  Their timeline for dropping those classes is probably similar to what Blizzard did.

What I love about furious trolls is that they care very little for objectivity or facts. They will say anything to attack some game, because it didn't conform to their ridiculous expectations.

Even in this string of non-sensical rants there is some just pure lies 'Core gameplay is broken'.  Core gameplay is attacking and killing monsters.  How is that broken?

So you didn't know about those classes, but you want to sit here and tell us what Funcom did, or did not promise? I followed the game for 3 years and know everything they said was going to be ingame.

Core gameplay is attacking monsters? lmao! So killing monsters is the core of a PvP game right?

The game is flawed to the core, and the core includes item stats, skills, etc.. but, lemme guess, you never had problems with skills, so nobody else has either, just like the technical problems people have, but it's their computer right?

Keep talking about other games too, it won't change the fact that this game is horrible.

Well, there are PVE servers and PVP servers, so PVP and or PVE could be considered 'core game play'.  Both work.  I've killed and been killed in PVP encounters, without any noticeable probles

Just out of curiostiy, have you played the game?

Notice how you change from my quote 'broke' to your word 'Flawed'.  'Flawed' is subjective, 'broken' is not.  Core gameplay is accepting quests, doing quests, and being rewarded.  Those things all work.  There are some problems, but basically the game works, so saying that 'core gameplay is broken' is not being honest.  Funny, that's the same thing a lot of people accuse Funcom of doing.

Originally posted by jmatt55

Not sure I understand all the hatred for this game.  Yes, I have my quibbles with it too but does everyone really need to sit here and endlessly cheer for the demise of the company, etc?

Really.  It's a frigging game.  If you don't enjoy it, play something else.  I've hung out in a zillion gaming forums and this is easily the most negative one I've come across.

Like I said, not sure I understand the personal animosity and seething disdain.  I mean, if you had played for 9 months and suddenly had you inventory wiped out or something, that's one thing.

But you bought a game, played for a month or two, decided you didn't like or were irked by a few bugs ... don't you feel like the reaction is a bit over the top?

I dunno.  Just an observation from a noob wandering into this forum.

Try the SWG boards.  If you think the hatred for AoC runs deep after a few months, look at the epic levels of dark, death-venom spewing terror that surrounds SOE and SWG. 

There's also a fair amount of hate directed towards WoW, Vanguard, Darkfall, Tabula Rasa, etc.,... I mean, AoC is pretty funny to me, though.  I sat here and watched all of these people posting about how incredible the game was going to be for months and months leading up to launch.  The amount of trash that was talked about other games (specifically WoW and WAR) was amazing.  People posting 'this is the game I'll be playing for years' and 'this game will be the downfall of WoW'/'WAR shouldn't even launch now, AoC took all of the thunder'. 

Now, a short while later, the darkness has apparently sat in.  This game may have shown up as a blip on WoW's subscriber base radar, but it has now become what nearly every other MMORPG to launch within the last 3-4 years has become... roadkill or a speedbump for the Blizzard 'Billion Subscribers or Bust' Bus.

My short experience with AoC was not positive.  But I will not be one that returns to the boards to bash the game.  I return here to see what fixes they may have made to improve the game. 

Again, if you want some real dark-hearted stuff, browse the other games threads for a bit.  AoC's hate is just fresher.  After a while, it will numb down a bit.  Eventually, you'll read about 5% of the posts because they will be the only ones that have any real or valuable subject matter. 

Originally posted by jmatt55

Not sure I understand all the hatred for this game.  Yes, I have my quibbles with it too but does everyone really need to sit here and endlessly cheer for the demise of the company, etc?

Really.  It's a frigging game.  If you don't enjoy it, play something else.  I've hung out in a zillion gaming forums and this is easily the most negative one I've come across.

Like I said, not sure I understand the personal animosity and seething disdain.  I mean, if you had played for 9 months and suddenly had you inventory wiped out or something, that's one thing.

But you bought a game, played for a month or two, decided you didn't like or were irked by a few bugs ... don't you feel like the reaction is a bit over the top?

I dunno.  Just an observation from a noob wandering into this forum.

People payed their money and can say whatever they want.

They are free to do so (or not), just as anyone else is free to ignore their posts (or not).

Originally posted by BlackWatch

Try the SWG boards.  If you think the hatred for AoC runs deep after a few months, look at the epic levels of dark, death-venom spewing terror that surrounds SOE and SWG. 

I'd be one of them.  But the difference is that SOE took a game that had everything that was originally promised and lopped off 75% of its functionality 2 years in.  People that have been playing an MMOG for that long deserve not to have the rug pulled out from under them.

That's a different kettle of fish than the standard overhyping of a game before its release.  And the AoC situation is a much smaller investment in time and money.

Don't get me wrong, I think the problem with the game is that it gets boring after awhile.  But I haven't encountered a single bug so far.

I guess I'm different because I didn't follow the game for years before release and had no wild expectations.  I didn't even read the box, I just picked it up off the store shelf and bought it.

Maybe that's the key to getting satisfaction, not waiting for the release of something for years and building it up in your head into something it could never hope to be in the first place.

Originally posted by grimfall

Originally posted by Chill_Factor

Originally posted by grimfall

Originally posted by urbanmonkey

Originally posted by grimfall

A. Shape a unique character and forge your destiny as one of four archetypes - Check - they didn't even drop classes like WOW and WAR did.

 

LOL. Really? Have you every heard of the Lich? Scourge of Derketo, Stormcaller, Druid, Reaver, Defiler, Lotus Master, Master Thief, Waylayer, Halberdier, Liberator, Zealot? Guess what happened to all these classes? Exactly. Dropped before release.

Now you will probably claim that these classes were not dropped but simply "merged" with other classes. Right... now I see the truth. If that is so, then the Choppa was also merged with the Black Orc.

What I love best about rabid fanboys is that they care very little for fact or truth. They will say anything in order to defend their beloved game so unjustly under attack by those 10-15 haters who "troll" the boads.

My mistake, I hadn't heard of all those classes.
 

So, let's say they didn't drop classes 2 months before launch, ike WAR (or capital cities).  Their timeline for dropping those classes is probably similar to what Blizzard did.

What I love about furious trolls is that they care very little for objectivity or facts. They will say anything to attack some game, because it didn't conform to their ridiculous expectations.

Even in this string of non-sensical rants there is some just pure lies 'Core gameplay is broken'.  Core gameplay is attacking and killing monsters.  How is that broken?

So you didn't know about those classes, but you want to sit here and tell us what Funcom did, or did not promise? I followed the game for 3 years and know everything they said was going to be ingame.

Core gameplay is attacking monsters? lmao! So killing monsters is the core of a PvP game right?

The game is flawed to the core, and the core includes item stats, skills, etc.. but, lemme guess, you never had problems with skills, so nobody else has either, just like the technical problems people have, but it's their computer right?

Keep talking about other games too, it won't change the fact that this game is horrible.

 

Well, there are PVE servers and PVP servers, so PVP and or PVE could be considered 'core game play'.  Both work.  I've killed and been killed in PVP encounters, without any noticeable probles

Just out of curiostiy, have you played the game?

Notice how you change from my quote 'broke' to your word 'Flawed'.  'Flawed' is subjective, 'broken' is not.  Core gameplay is accepting quests, doing quests, and being rewarded.  Those things all work.  There are some problems, but basically the game works, so saying that 'core gameplay is broken' is not being honest.  Funny, that's the same thing a lot of people accuse Funcom of doing.

Quests that're not there after level 50? Oh and the rewards that're worse than stuff you got 20 levels ago off a trash mob, thats the core of an mmo?

You ask me if I've played the game, thats laughable because it seems like you haven't imo.

Everyone, go out and make an mmo where you can get a quest and kill stuff, this guy will buy it.

Oh, btw, check the quote in my sig by EE. What was that about them never promising anything again?

 The code is the ultimate "core" of the game, and even that's broken.

/fin

Originally posted by grimfall

What I love about furious trolls is that they care very little for objectivity or facts. They will say anything to attack some game, because it didn't conform to their ridiculous expectations.

Ok, so if I expect a skill called Endurance to actually allow me to run for longer periods, I have ridiculous expectations? Or if I bought a game that says on the box "supports DirectX 10" to actually support it I again have riduculous expectations?

Please take your propaganda to the Funcom forums where is belongs.

Originally posted by urbanmonkey

Originally posted by grimfall

What I love about furious trolls is that they care very little for objectivity or facts. They will say anything to attack some game, because it didn't conform to their ridiculous expectations.

Ok, so if I expect a skill called Endurance to actually allow me to run for longer periods, I have ridiculous expectations? Or if I bought a game that says on the box "supports DirectX 10" to actually support it I again have riduculous expectations?

Please take your propaganda to the Funcom forums where is belongs.

In a game where your basic stats like constitution, dexterity etc don't do anything, it's pretty unrealistic to expect ANYTHING to work properly ;)

Working basic gameplay = ridiculous expectations! XD

Originally posted by Arthousesig

Originally posted by urbanmonkey

Originally posted by grimfall

What I love about furious trolls is that they care very little for objectivity or facts. They will say anything to attack some game, because it didn't conform to their ridiculous expectations.

Ok, so if I expect a skill called Endurance to actually allow me to run for longer periods, I have ridiculous expectations? Or if I bought a game that says on the box "supports DirectX 10" to actually support it I again have riduculous expectations?

Please take your propaganda to the Funcom forums where is belongs.

 

In a game where your basic stats like constitution, dexterity etc don't do anything, it's pretty unrealistic to expect ANYTHING to work properly ;)

Working basic gameplay = ridiculous expectations! XD

All funcon needs is more pats on the back by people like grim, Its like being a cheerleader for the Knicks. 

Originally posted by grimfall

So, let's say they didn't drop classes 2 months before launch, ike WAR (or capital cities).  Their timeline for dropping those classes is probably similar to what Blizzard did.

- which classes did Blizzard drop ?
- got link ?