Originally posted by Guillermo197

SOE has tried to revamp the Character Skeleton models for EverQuest2, but due to the crappy nature of their game engine they now have officially given up on this revamp as they couldn't make it perform well enough.

This much anticipated revamp should have opened up the customisation on gear greatly for the design artists that are now limited due to the current Character Skeleton models.

SOE is now trying to find a different way into getting this adressed, but I personally have given up hope on this :( As we have waited over 4 years for this already.

Yup have to agree with you the revamp wont come,not in EQ2 but  i would assume in EQ3 (in whatever form or name it takes) i just hope they've learned from thier mistakes with the models

Originally posted by eccoton

Guillermo197 I think you last comment maybe right unfortunately. I was at E3 last year did not go this year. However, even last year SOE seems to be focusing on the console mmo market. There was a feeling that SOE thinks Agency  is the way mmos will go in the future.
 

Bang on the head of the nail eccotron,the money for sony (and SOE is now part of sony) is with the PS3 and they'll (rightly) concentrate all efforts towards that platform,pc gamers will have to get used to sharing the MMO genre with console gamers over the next few years,of that i'm sure.

Well, yeah.

It is pretty shallow.

That said, I can see how a lack of diverse gear in some situations might rankle some.

It's shallow, but it is a legitimate gripe.

Originally posted by fozzie22

Originally posted by eccoton

Guillermo197 I think you last comment maybe right unfortunately. I was at E3 last year did not go this year. However, even last year SOE seems to be focusing on the console mmo market. There was a feeling that SOE thinks Agency  is the way mmos will go in the future.
 

 

Bang on the head of the nail eccotron,the money for sony (and SOE is now part of sony) is with the PS3 and they'll (rightly) concentrate all efforts towards that platform,pc gamers will have to get used to sharing the MMO genre with console gamers over the next few years,of that i'm sure.

The Xbox 360, PS3 and the fact that HDTVs are really montiors now, has blurred the line between console and computer gaming. However I will always be first and formost a PC gamer. With that said I do have both the 360 and PS3.

Add the Wii to the list and welcome to my home :)

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Originally posted by Kilmar
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EQ2 now tries to copy wow at weapon length ^^

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Or original EQ before WoW even came out.

Well, maybe you need to look at your competition and then ask if you have it so bad.  In terms of AAA fantasy MMORPG's, there are currently three: WoW, LotRO, and EQ2.  I admittedly don't know much about EQ2, but I've played WoW tons, and I saw a bit of LotRO's diversity firsthand.

LotRO is about equal with EQ2 in terms of customization.  You could argue it's slightly better or worse, but I wouldn't say there's a significant difference either way.  It added the same system that EQ2 did, having a second paper doll for armor that only affects appearance.

Just for the sake of mentioning them, AoC and Vanguard are even more generic in character looks than EQ2.

WoW is significantly worse in this aspect.  Well.  I'm actually going to go ahead and say it's terrible in comparison.  You look like a complete and utter retard, and frankly, the fact that they haven't implemented this feature that EQ2 and LotRO has is a big reason I'm considering canceling and not coming back for Wrath.  Here are your two choices in WoW:

1.  Look like a complete retard with completely mismatched stuff.  Actually, this is not a choice while leveling, it's simply how you're forced to look.

2.  If you happen to put large amounts of time into raiding or PvP, you can get a whole matching set.  This is assuming you're willing to sacrifice some power.  For most people, it's impossible to get completely matching gear, since almost any raider will be wearing a mix of different tiers, and any PvP'er will be wearing a mix of different seasons, and both may have some badge gear thrown in.

I think back to my characters in WoW while leveling, and they literally looked like a mentally challenged person that tried to dress themselves by pulling random stuff off the rack in a costume shop.  I'm not exaggerating when I say that.  Here, just take a look at this.  It's about right.  The joke here is that after this latest expansion, he only leveled his character up to 70 and didn't raid after that, so he looks like this as a result.

www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/1/2/the-ungift-part-two/

My point is that you might be bothered by this, but I think you actually have it better than anybody else, so I wouldn't get too pissed.

Big +! to this comment and the comments about the game engine.

People seem to love to rant in a vacuum with absolutely zero perspective.  EQ2 may have limited customization, but whats better?  And in any event, it IS a limitation of the game engine and this is an unavoidable fact of MMOs - they last so long (if they're good) that technology marches on.

You're supposed to play these games for fun and friendship.  If you're trying to build an alternate life with a "toon" that looks like your vision of a dream hero, you'll probably have to either adjust your expectations or come back to the genre in 20 years.

So many of the rants you find on forums are really rants about the current state of technology.  It also sucks that we dont have warp drive and a pill that cures cancer, but what can you do.  Either get cracking on making one or deal with it.

Well, not even getting into the incredible retarded look of WoW, or how LoTRO's armor looks like painted on cardboard, it's the ugliest looking crap I've seen in ANY game. All the armor has EXACTLY the same texture.... NONE, and don't even get me started on the cloaks... they're just a joke. Since a couple of ya decided to be jerks when someone made a good point, I'll do one better, and 3 or 4... please. That just shows ignorance. Take your ignorance elsewhere...

A couple T8 sets:

Same character, same level gear, all completely different, and this is only a few sets. There are plenty more, 8 to be exact (5 leather and 3 chain), but I wasted enough time on your stupidity to fulfill your requirement and more.

And here's some T7 (all chain) to compare tier to tier, just in case you'll say they all repeat:

Now some do repeat, as you see in the first one in T7 has the same type of pattern as the 5th one in T8. But there is a lot more variety than you claim, and I didn't even bother to show all the sets.BTW, the 1st pattern in T7 wasn't even available to non-raiders until T8, so everyone has a chance to wear something they like the looks of eventually.

The dresses and formal wear I agree on, but not many people wear dresses and slacks while adventuring. There are about 5 or 6 different patterns for formal wear, or non-formal wear, and all types of colors, but the most effort is spent on armor. And the cloaks are completely customizable and the best I've ever seen.

That's REALLY good for 24 different classes, and 19(?) different races, which is more than twice as much as those other games.

EDIT: I'm missing a couple pieces of some of the armor I don't have, or sold after moving into another set. So some repeats are just because I don't have those pieces.

Originally posted by BuzWeaver

 

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Originally posted by Kilmar
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EQ2 now tries to copy wow at weapon length ^^

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Or original EQ before WoW even came out.

Yes, whatever, I didnt want to argue..

Look at my killerhalfling!

The halfling wins the thread imo.

I wouldn't compare WoW and VG's customisation to EQ2's. EQ2 has waaaaaayyyyyy more customisation than either WoW or VG. I haven't come across any Sarnak that looks like my Necromancer yet. And my little Ratonga Dirge looks very different from most Ratongas since I made sure to choose absolutely the largest ears possible. It's a shame though that I have to hide her helmet: one beef I do have is that Kerra and Ratongas can't show their ears through their helmets.

Bah, who cares about the armor, at least i have my beer helm.

Originally posted by SgtFrog

yeah its an ugly game.

game play is ok...but i wouldn't  mind some eye candy

    The character models in EQ2 are absolutely awful......Alot of people hate WoWs cartoony look but the avatars in EQ2 are just plain bad.......

Originally posted by Amon_Amarth

Hey Ecco my Ogre and Gnome are identical to yours in appearance and armour at the moment hehe

If they are identical lets see the pictures. Not saying it is not possible or true just where are the pictures. At least I tried to support my statement with pictures. I think a few of us have showed there is a ton of customization in EQ2. The OP stated his opinion but it is far from "fact" as he claims.

Originally posted by Theocritus

Originally posted by SgtFrog

yeah its an ugly game.

game play is ok...but i wouldn't  mind some eye candy

 

    The character models in EQ2 are absolutely awful......Alot of people hate WoWs cartoony look but the avatars in EQ2 are just plain bad.......

No they are not I think the pictures here show they are not awful. The avitars in EQ2 are some of the best in any mmo out at the moment in my opinion. Landscapes may not always be the best compared to say LoTRO but the avitars are fantastic. Do you even play EQ2?

I don't know but this guy is one of my toons and I do not think he looks awful.

If I may interject here, I have to point out one of the main reasons in which armor customization/diversity in terms of appearance is one of the bigger factors for some of the people who play EQ2.

Roleplaying.

While most people seem to think armor is cool and that they merely want it because it looks good, roleplayers [myself included] prefer to take our character development a stage beyond simple text and emotes. Simply being 'freeportian' does not mean you have to wear black like someone who just got mugged by the goth fashion police.

In truth, with as many 'adjustments' as you can make to the character's facial features, you have to wonder why they didn't just throw that out entirely on its ass. adjusting a character's facial features in EQ2 were not significant enough in the long run to make any difference overall. Yes, a -slightly- wider jaw, or how your brows arch. Otherwise, its pretty much a monotone face just like every other player out there.

I suppose this is why I have valued CoX so much.

Yes: The graphics aren't as good as can possibly be, when compared to some other games.

Yes: CoX has a lot of issues, despite its main gimmick.

But the point still stands: If you're going to play a game, and you happen to enjoy being unique...why would you even bother to consider a game, in which customization is merely "Height, bulk, face"  routine?

I loved EQ2. Still do. [major iksar fan] But that doesn't mean that SoE has the right to neglect the players merely because of the fact they're not willing to dip into their pockets to expand a game's playability aspect. That's a damn insult to the players themselves, if nothing else.

Originally posted by DrkKaiser

I loved EQ2. Still do. [major iksar fan] But that doesn't mean that SoE has the right to neglect the players merely because of the fact they're not willing to dip into their pockets to expand a game's playability aspect. That's a damn insult to the players themselves, if nothing else.

I think that this statement maybe true in a general way about SOE but I do not think it is the case with EQ2. I feel eq2 offers a ton of customization to make unigue looks in EQ2. I do understand others not feeling there is enough. However I do not think it is an issue with their pockets but it is a result of the limitations of EQ2's game engine. It was develpoepd with the future in mind but the future went a different direction. With that said I do feel EQ2 offers plenty of choices and dispite ones claims here I have never seen a character that looks just like mine. I have seen a few that were close but nowhere near identical.

I think they are willing to dip into their pockets but unfortunately, those pockets are pretty shallow. SOE has spread itself pretty thin and the amount of manpower dedicated to EQ2 alone is very small with all things considered. Personally, I don't mind the visuals that are available but I wouldn't say no to more.

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

I can't get over the fact that there are so few choices of things to wear in this game.  They all look the same with just different colors or patterns.  Why are all the dresses ripped in the front?  Where the hell are the outfits that are shown on the characters on the box and in the promo videos? 

I'm not sure that any MMO out today (except maybe CoX) understands the importance of being able to look different and somewhat unique in a MMO.   Why is it so difficult to put out a MMO that has both great gameplay and cool customizable avatars?

I REALLY hope WAR breaks this mold.

/rambling rant off.

 

It is not Shallow.
That's what the majority of people wants, whether they admit it or not.

People play online RPG to look like a Hero, they want to look different and certainly someone who raided lvl 70 zones don't want to look like a lvl 20 toon.

Part of WoW success (i am not a fan), is that there are lots of armor models to choose from.
In EQ2 there are the usual model for each type of armor (cloth, leather, mail and plate) for every Tier.
There is hardly any customization.

So if wanting your character look the part is considered shallow, then I am shallow.
But I won't come back to this game until they introduce several more armor models.

Originally posted by Arataki

I think they are willing to dip into their pockets but unfortunately, those pockets are pretty shallow. SOE has spread itself pretty thin and the amount of manpower dedicated to EQ2 alone is very small with all things considered. Personally, I don't mind the visuals that are available but I wouldn't say no to more.

I agree I think the visuals offer a lot of options and unique looks but of course more would be great. That could be said about every mmo ever made. Even if you feel more choices would be great. The idea the lack of choices is a reason to stay away from EQ2 is ridiculous. If that is someones reason for not trying or playing EQ2 then they are missing out on a great mmo.