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ParkCarsHere
Novice Member
Joined: 9/25/05
"Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance." -Sun Tzu |
First of all, while I've done a fair amount of searching, I have not found anything to answer this question... if you have a resource for me to take a look at I'd greatly appreciate it! Anyways, I'm getting extremely bored of WoW's huge gear grind to even be competitive in Arena, because in WoW gear > skill, until everyone is on an equal gear-based level. So, is WAR going to force a huge initial armor grind so you can be competitive, or will skill be the major factor? Maybe this information still falls under the NDA, maybe not. Just thought I'd try. |
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8/11/08 9:11:47 PM#2
40% of gear matters in WAR. thats a huge chunk! I have a feeling it's all about the gear, seeing as though the best gear comes from city sieging and now they are down 4 of those cities to just 2. The focus undeniably will be on gear, when you do the battles over and over again the only thing to stop you being bored with the resets and knowing where to go each time will be how easier it gets with better gear as you get it over time. Thats just how i see it though. If you like PvE aspects your screwed. If you like crafting your screwed, your forced to do city attacks to potentially get a piece of gear - just another name for Public Raid. Here is an interesting read: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/166791 |
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8/11/08 9:14:23 PM#3
Originally posted by tikovoo
but not as gear based as WoW is. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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8/11/08 9:14:46 PM#4
Originally posted by tikovoo
This is misleading. Gear helps...But skill can overpower gear anyday. as long as the well geared player isn't skilled also.
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8/11/08 10:04:37 PM#5
when the NDA drops i'll update more. but a good player can over come the different in gear levels. |
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ParkCarsHere
Novice Member
Joined: 9/25/05
"Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance." -Sun Tzu |
Originally posted by kintrik I'll look forward to seeing the reviews when the NDA is lifted. My biggest concern: is gear going to be the ONLY factor in determining the outcome of a battle, like in World of Warcraft, or will the skilled players be able to compete? Obviously gear should have an effect on the battle in a duel versus equally skilled players, but it should not be the only factor. In WoW, if you try to fight a character in full S3 or S4 when you have S1, you will not win, unless the well-geared player is completely terrible. I don't want this to be the case in WAR... guess I'll wait and find out though. Thanks for the responses so far. |
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8/11/08 10:19:21 PM#7
yea... i remember defending the flag in green/blue gear once as a feral druid and someone yelling at me how "noobs in crap gear should not defend"... but mythic said that they dont want the pvp do be gear dependant... but obviously gear needs to have SOME value or else we'll have AoC where you can run around naked and take maybe 30 less damage per hit then a fully plate geared lvl 80... wonder if they fixed that :) |
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8/11/08 11:03:22 PM#8
of course the better geared players will have an advantage, or else there will be no point in getting gear IMO 40% is nothing compared to WoW's 100% |
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8/12/08 1:23:00 AM#9
First of all, where are we getting these numbers from? 40%, 100%? - Why do you guys think WAR will be any different from WOW, gear-wise? What makes WOW 100% and WAR 40%? This is a point and click, turn based (wait for your attack, D&D) RPG, just like all the rest of em...it'll be gear based. You can dance around all you want, but the enemy will still attack you. This isn't an FPS where you can dodge, get hits in skillfully. The only 'skill' I can see is the certain ability combinations, but they most likely won't be profound enough to really turn the tide of a battle if the opposing force has uber gear. It's numbers based. So, OP, to answer your question - it's gear based, for the most part. |
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8/12/08 1:26:35 AM#10
Its group based. ----------------------------------------
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8/12/08 1:26:55 AM#11
Not one of you mentions renown points, I feel if thats anything like realm points then it really is unfair to say WAR will be ''gear based" but what do I know . . . |
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8/12/08 1:29:57 AM#12
Originally posted by lordsn0w It's the same concept - just a piece of armor, ability, anything that you can potentially farm and use to have an edge over an opponent. Meaning, it's not SKILL based, but rather "advancement" based (or whatever the fuck you want to call it). Here are some examples of renown rewards:
It's basically gear in the form of 'rewards'. |
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ParkCarsHere
Novice Member
Joined: 9/25/05
"Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance." -Sun Tzu |
Originally posted by JustBe If this is what it is, then that seems good. Group battles require tactics and skill to perform well as a team and have each player use their abilities to best help the group. However, you need a group of smart and dedicated players to do that.. so we'll see how it actually turns out. |
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8/12/08 7:55:34 AM#14
Please define skill in MMORPG's.. Nobody could answer me this in the last 10 years.
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ParkCarsHere
Novice Member
Joined: 9/25/05
"Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance." -Sun Tzu |
Originally posted by hebeventijd The ability to use your character's strengths to overcome your weaknesses? Instead of gear automatically deciding who wins before you start fighting, your ability to play your character decides who wins. I dunno, it's early, but that's what I mean by "gear or skill based." |
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8/12/08 7:58:52 AM#16
Originally posted by ParkCarsHere
It is heavily gear dependant just like WoW. The skill is limited to the ability combination (which is not really difficult to learn after a while) and so the mechanics will make the outcome. Don't believe all the hype about some group based outcome and that people are helping each other blahblah... The community will be the same as in WoW, and therefore most of the people will care about themselves doing everything alone. But I guess people like to believe in that myth that WAR will be different. In fact it won't, and you'll soon find out. |
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8/12/08 8:20:19 AM#17
Originally posted by Kollaps
It is heavily gear dependant just like WoW. The skill is limited to the ability combination (which is not really difficult to learn after a while) and so the mechanics will make the outcome. Don't believe all the hype about some group based outcome and that people are helping each other blahblah... The community will be the same as in WoW, and therefore most of the people will care about themselves doing everything alone. But I guess people like to believe in that myth that WAR will be different. In fact it won't, and you'll soon find out.
did you make a new account just to troll? here's a few things that matter when it comes to pvp(in no particular order): -player skill -tactics -morale -renown achievements -gear -group -communication
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Digna
Advanced Member
Joined: 11/19/05
The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp. |
8/12/08 8:29:40 AM#18
Add to that list: Computer Performance Lack of nagging wives Plus/Minus on alcohol
It all adds up! |
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8/12/08 8:31:06 AM#19
Originally posted by Kollaps
It is heavily gear dependant just like WoW. The skill is limited to the ability combination (which is not really difficult to learn after a while) and so the mechanics will make the outcome. Don't believe all the hype about some group based outcome and that people are helping each other blahblah... The community will be the same as in WoW, and therefore most of the people will care about themselves doing everything alone. But I guess people like to believe in that myth that WAR will be different. In fact it won't, and you'll soon find out.
spoken like a true alliance.. |
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8/12/08 8:33:13 AM#20
A. Kollaps, you're wrong. B. Synn, you're right. (Can't elaborate right now though, 'cause of NDA). -Saint |
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8/12/08 8:37:33 AM#21
Originally posted by synn
did you make a new account just to troll? here's a few things that matter when it comes to pvp(in no particular order): -player skill -tactics -morale -renown achievements -gear -group -communication
I see no difference then with Wow: - player skill - talent settings (71 options per class) - potions & elexirs - profession buffs (new in WotLK) - general buffs (coming from goup members like seals) - gained territory buffs or morale (just like in Terrokar and Hellfire and extended in WotLK open world PvP zone) - communication - group (healers wanted :) ))) - gear The only difference I see is that Wow's avatars have a constant mico analysis through Arena play. I believe WAR doesn't have this control function as Arena will be no option. |
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Azrile
Apprentice Member
Joined: 7/29/08
Any new or returning player to WOW, send me a PM for some help getting started. |
8/12/08 8:40:37 AM#22
Originally posted by ParkCarsHere
It will end up being exactly the same as wow. If you win, then obviously it is all about skill The people here saying WOW is all about gear have no clue. Everyone can get S2 gear.. the best gear in the game is S4 gear. The difference in dps and hps between the two is like 3%. I good player in S2 will beat an average player in S4 constantly. The reason people cry about 'gear' is because well.. the average player is in S2 and the good players is in S4, so the losers can blame it on gear. ................................................ |
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8/12/08 8:48:10 AM#23
Originally posted by Azrile
It will end up being exactly the same as wow. If you win, then obviously it is all about skill The people here saying WOW is all about gear have no clue. Everyone can get S2 gear.. the best gear in the game is S4 gear. The difference in dps and hps between the two is like 3%. I good player in S2 will beat an average player in S4 constantly. The reason people cry about 'gear' is because well.. the average player is in S2 and the good players is in S4, so the losers can blame it on gear. No. People cry because of Arena. In Arena their score is shown all over the web and in their stats. That's why people cry over Arena and Wow PvP is hated by some. It's too harsh. The fact that every class can have a 2200 score in Arena shows that PvP is of course balanced in a group mode. It all depends of the player and the group settings. Not everyone is Carl Lewis, but they all think they are Carl Lewis, hence the succes of anonymous world PvP groupings. Blizzard made a big mistake with the arena ratings. Pity. But perhaps they can rectify it with the nameless open world PvP - NON instanced btw. Warhammer will be very interesting. I am very curious how they solved the balances of classes and moaning of PvP youngsters.
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8/12/08 8:54:18 AM#24
Originally posted by synn
It's not surprising to see many people stamping me over with their "you're troll, leave" comments, because obviously they are so desperade to play a decent MMORPG after so many recent failures. WAR won't change the trend. It will be just another game with milions of copies sold, because of the hype and then drops to 100k subs. All these RVR, SKILL, COMMUNITY... blah are just words used for a precisely accurate marketing strategy to lure the people like you that believe all the shit they read. |
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Azrile
Apprentice Member
Joined: 7/29/08
Any new or returning player to WOW, send me a PM for some help getting started. |
8/12/08 8:57:56 AM#25
Originally posted by hebeventijd No. People cry because of Arena. In Arena their score is shown all over the web and in their stats. That's why people cry over Arena and Wow PvP is hated by some. It's too harsh. The fact that every class can have a 2200 score in Arena shows that PvP is of course balanced in a group mode. It all depends of the player and the group settings. Not everyone is Carl Lewis, but they all think they are Carl Lewis, hence the succes of anonymous world PvP groupings. Blizzard made a big mistake with the arena ratings. Pity. But perhaps they can rectify it with the nameless open world PvP - NON instanced btw. Warhammer will be very interesting. I am very curious how they solved the balances of classes and moaning of PvP youngsters.
You hit on another point regarding pvp. If you fight an equally geared and equally skilled player, you are going to lose 50% of the time. That is just a hard fact. Most players will cry about something being imbalanced if they lose 50% of the time. It's eaither going to be class balance, or gear balance. As far as WOW's open world pvp zone. It is called Lake Wintergrasp and it's currently being tested. It looks pretty cool with ridable seige weapons, anti-personal vehicles, catapults and all types of neat seige weaponry. ................................................ |
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