I though SWG gives SOE a bad rep....

lolish note

no one destroyed this game but funcom, aoc was an epic fail before it was released, funcom knew it, and we didnt, lets see what was the game before, and after the release, from a point of view of a fan who followed the game for years.

-->before the release :

1- 100% pvp oriented MMORPG

2- new combat system dynamic, 100% skill based, which means free combat choose when to dodge attack where to place attack, when you are skilled you win

3- amazing graphics, first mmorpg using directx 10

4- mature content, violent content

5- epic mass pvp with keeps and other stuff

this was what i was waiting for from the game infos i had.

-->after release :

1- no pvp system, just FFA, i dont know if you actualy understand the gravity of this, but few weeks before the release, they decided that their pvp system sucked ass, so they had to remove and work on a complete new system, knowing the game is sold to be a pvp game will be released without it.

2- combat system, isnt dynamic at all, you slide while you are fighting, ppl instead of jumping like on a fps they run around you, your combo hit target 20feet from you as long as you land the first part of the combo(they maybe changed this after a patch i heard), skill based become macro keyboard based, if you have G15 or nostromo you will win most of the time,+ one shot ppl isnt what i call skill based, the shield system just suck ass you just put 1 on top and 2on the left, is the best set you can make making this feature useless.

3- graphic are good, if we forget the 3-5 secondes of the ugly texture forming every port or respawn, no directx10 yet, graphic engine is so fucked up it's impossible to make it run correctly on massive fights, youcant custumize the graphic for better fps, you just put max and play, who give a shit about fps when you are pvping, and using combo that you miss becuz of lags, instead of enjoying the ffa it became frustrating between lags, freezes, and yea instance crash like 10 a day + memory leak crash another 10

4- mature content, censorship? no nipple no real nudity, no bitches no sex we are way far from "the witcher" , violent ok , fatality arnt new, i already played an aborted mmo a year before aoc and it had fatality called Gods and Heroes

5- epic keeps, are fully buged, then they are way too far from epic, 24v24, or 48v48 not that many ppl, plus it's so damn boring, you spend 50% of the time hiting buildings, 30% of the time running back from rez or camps, and 20% pvp, and i found it really really boring, minigames....battle ground i did 5 and i was done even more boring than keeps, even if you wanna do it for your guild.

this was  my anticipation and my finding, then the game was just way too much buged, i did mny mmo releases, i know the games arnt always ready, but there is a limit, some bugs hit the gameplay way too hard, that ruins the fun, and those bugs shouldnt be at the release and most importantly not after 2 months of the release, patch fix crap bugs and creat bigest bugs, not once not twice, i think every single patch made the crap more crapier.

i dont hate the game, i was just disapointed, i was looking for something and i had something else i didnt want, age of conan have a great univers, need alot of fixe to be fun, probleme is funcom, they new what the game was like before the release, they new it wasnt ready, they decided to release it anyway without open beta, to limit the impact on sells, it worked the game was well sold, now it's dead not becuz of the forum but becuz the game is crap and need one more year of work from funcom if they can keep it up for a year, or sell it to another company, more talented or with more resources to finish the job.

anyway in my opinion, funcom wil not be able to pull it off with aoc, it needs investment in long term doubt they have the money for it, for a long term, and doubt they can find someone who will put money on it, cuz it's too risky.

Originally posted by ketrine

It's like going to the movies.  If you read reviews that say a particular movie is not worth seeing, you don't feel compelled to go.  I never did buy AoC because I figgured I'd wait and see what people think of it or until there's a free trial.  Guess what? I saved 50 smackers.

Yes you did. Are you also acknowledging that you let other people decide for you, for what what you think and enjoys?

You only go to movies that other people says are good.
  You would not know if you like it until you seen it.

You only buy games that other people says are good.
  You would not know if you liked it until you played it.

And with not trying anything out that people say to you that you don't like, you considered yourself to have saved money. Does that mean or incline that those times you spent money on things people telling you that are good never been a waste of money because you have always liked what other people told you to like.

Or do you understand that even if someone tells you something is bad you may end up likeing it and regardless of the review you always take a chance of loosing money on soemthing you don't like.

Originally posted by Sevensodd

Think about it.

Think about it?

I would rather want to know why you are saying that AoC is destroyed.

There are a shitload of people putting it down. You can see rants about it everywhere.
People are still playing it, people are still buying it and people are still enjoying it.

Come back in one year and see if the things people whines about, the whinage that have grounds to it, still are there. And see what the state of the game is by then. Have Funcom fixed the game to what they intendet it to be by then. It is up to Funcom to make what they feel their game is to be and it is up to the players to decide if they like it or not.

If Funcom would have closed the servers now, you could say that the game was destroyed.

You are from what I can see trying to say that the massive negative posts about AoC destroyed the game is not good. And as you now confirms the game to be destroyed is really not any good then either.

All I can say is that I still find it amusing to think about all those people saying that AoC would be the best game, no flaws, no bugs. It would just simple be the best par none.

The same thing happened to AO i know because i played it.

It was released way to early and they worked on it.A year later AO was game of the year.A year after that AO's 1st expansion got expansion of the year.

What gets me is all the people that want to see FC and AoC go down in flames.This doesnt help anyone.The gamers who are actually playing AoC suffer for it FC suffers for it and the genre suffers for it.

Thibk about THAT in your pipe and smoke it!!

Originally posted by Sevensodd

Think about it.

If there were no forums, people would cancel subscriptions anyway. And don't forget, this is not the first game Failcom releases.

Originally posted by scabzy

lolish note

no one destroyed this game but funcom, aoc was an epic fail before it was released, funcom knew it, and we didnt, lets see what was the game before, and after the release, from a point of view of a fan who followed the game for years.

-->before the release :

1- 100% pvp oriented MMORPG

2- new combat system dynamic, 100% skill based, which means free combat choose when to dodge attack where to place attack, when you are skilled you win

3- amazing graphics, first mmorpg using directx 10

4- mature content, violent content

5- epic mass pvp with keeps and other stuff

this was what i was waiting for from the game infos i had.

 

-->after release :

1- no pvp system, just FFA, i dont know if you actualy understand the gravity of this, but few weeks before the release, they decided that their pvp system sucked ass, so they had to remove and work on a complete new system, knowing the game is sold to be a pvp game will be released without it.

2- combat system, isnt dynamic at all, you slide while you are fighting, ppl instead of jumping like on a fps they run around you, your combo hit target 20feet from you as long as you land the first part of the combo(they maybe changed this after a patch i heard), skill based become macro keyboard based, if you have G15 or nostromo you will win most of the time,+ one shot ppl isnt what i call skill based, the shield system just suck ass you just put 1 on top and 2on the left, is the best set you can make making this feature useless.

3- graphic are good, if we forget the 3-5 secondes of the ugly texture forming every port or respawn, no directx10 yet, graphic engine is so fucked up it's impossible to make it run correctly on massive fights, youcant custumize the graphic for better fps, you just put max and play, who give a shit about fps when you are pvping, and using combo that you miss becuz of lags, instead of enjoying the ffa it became frustrating between lags, freezes, and yea instance crash like 10 a day + memory leak crash another 10

4- mature content, censorship? no nipple no real nudity, no bitches no sex we are way far from "the witcher" , violent ok , fatality arnt new, i already played an aborted mmo a year before aoc and it had fatality called Gods and Heroes

5- epic keeps, are fully buged, then they are way too far from epic, 24v24, or 48v48 not that many ppl, plus it's so damn boring, you spend 50% of the time hiting buildings, 30% of the time running back from rez or camps, and 20% pvp, and i found it really really boring, minigames....battle ground i did 5 and i was done even more boring than keeps, even if you wanna do it for your guild.

 

this was  my anticipation and my finding, then the game was just way too much buged, i did mny mmo releases, i know the games arnt always ready, but there is a limit, some bugs hit the gameplay way too hard, that ruins the fun, and those bugs shouldnt be at the release and most importantly not after 2 months of the release, patch fix crap bugs and creat bigest bugs, not once not twice, i think every single patch made the crap more crapier.

i dont hate the game, i was just disapointed, i was looking for something and i had something else i didnt want, age of conan have a great univers, need alot of fixe to be fun, probleme is funcom, they new what the game was like before the release, they new it wasnt ready, they decided to release it anyway without open beta, to limit the impact on sells, it worked the game was well sold, now it's dead not becuz of the forum but becuz the game is crap and need one more year of work from funcom if they can keep it up for a year, or sell it to another company, more talented or with more resources to finish the job.

anyway in my opinion, funcom wil not be able to pull it off with aoc, it needs investment in long term doubt they have the money for it, for a long term, and doubt they can find someone who will put money on it, cuz it's too risky.

100% opinion.  Its posts like these that scare players away.  Let them try it out for themselves, there are many people out there that like it. 

Forums had a part in the downfall of AOC.  Not because they are flaming AOC atm.  More because ppl were NOT informed and are NOT informed about the true status of the game. 

OFC ppl will go beserk when they find out that a gaming company is created just to scam money out of ppl.  And Funcom is trying their very best to make sure ppl dont find out before they buy the game. 

Now... Game of the year ?  Expansion of the year... lol - dream on.  Its gonna go down as the best example on how to NOT launch a new MMO game. 

Originally posted by Sevensodd

Originally posted by scabzy

lolish note

no one destroyed this game but funcom, aoc was an epic fail before it was released, funcom knew it, and we didnt, lets see what was the game before, and after the release, from a point of view of a fan who followed the game for years.

-->before the release :

1- 100% pvp oriented MMORPG

2- new combat system dynamic, 100% skill based, which means free combat choose when to dodge attack where to place attack, when you are skilled you win

3- amazing graphics, first mmorpg using directx 10

4- mature content, violent content

5- epic mass pvp with keeps and other stuff

this was what i was waiting for from the game infos i had.

 

-->after release :

1- no pvp system, just FFA, i dont know if you actualy understand the gravity of this, but few weeks before the release, they decided that their pvp system sucked ass, so they had to remove and work on a complete new system, knowing the game is sold to be a pvp game will be released without it.

2- combat system, isnt dynamic at all, you slide while you are fighting, ppl instead of jumping like on a fps they run around you, your combo hit target 20feet from you as long as you land the first part of the combo(they maybe changed this after a patch i heard), skill based become macro keyboard based, if you have G15 or nostromo you will win most of the time,+ one shot ppl isnt what i call skill based, the shield system just suck ass you just put 1 on top and 2on the left, is the best set you can make making this feature useless.

3- graphic are good, if we forget the 3-5 secondes of the ugly texture forming every port or respawn, no directx10 yet, graphic engine is so fucked up it's impossible to make it run correctly on massive fights, youcant custumize the graphic for better fps, you just put max and play, who give a shit about fps when you are pvping, and using combo that you miss becuz of lags, instead of enjoying the ffa it became frustrating between lags, freezes, and yea instance crash like 10 a day + memory leak crash another 10

4- mature content, censorship? no nipple no real nudity, no bitches no sex we are way far from "the witcher" , violent ok , fatality arnt new, i already played an aborted mmo a year before aoc and it had fatality called Gods and Heroes

5- epic keeps, are fully buged, then they are way too far from epic, 24v24, or 48v48 not that many ppl, plus it's so damn boring, you spend 50% of the time hiting buildings, 30% of the time running back from rez or camps, and 20% pvp, and i found it really really boring, minigames....battle ground i did 5 and i was done even more boring than keeps, even if you wanna do it for your guild.

 

this was  my anticipation and my finding, then the game was just way too much buged, i did mny mmo releases, i know the games arnt always ready, but there is a limit, some bugs hit the gameplay way too hard, that ruins the fun, and those bugs shouldnt be at the release and most importantly not after 2 months of the release, patch fix crap bugs and creat bigest bugs, not once not twice, i think every single patch made the crap more crapier.

i dont hate the game, i was just disapointed, i was looking for something and i had something else i didnt want, age of conan have a great univers, need alot of fixe to be fun, probleme is funcom, they new what the game was like before the release, they new it wasnt ready, they decided to release it anyway without open beta, to limit the impact on sells, it worked the game was well sold, now it's dead not becuz of the forum but becuz the game is crap and need one more year of work from funcom if they can keep it up for a year, or sell it to another company, more talented or with more resources to finish the job.

anyway in my opinion, funcom wil not be able to pull it off with aoc, it needs investment in long term doubt they have the money for it, for a long term, and doubt they can find someone who will put money on it, cuz it's too risky.

 

100% opinion.  Its posts like these that scare players away.  Let them try it out for themselves, there are many people out there that like it. 

Umm... 100% opinion? I don't think so.

He provided a bullet-list of things discussed/promised for some time prior to release, then followed with what actually shipped.

There's no "opinion" in that. They either delivered on those points, or they didn't. As it turns out, they didn't in several cases.

His feelings on what happened, of course, is opinion. It just so happens that many people share that opinion, and the reaction the game is getting, here and elsewhere show that loud and clear. It's not like it's a random handful of people limited to these forums. The outrage is being displayed all over the place.

Stop trying to pass the buck. It's FC's actions that have led to people leaving the game and making posts like those you see here. It's called "cause and effect".

If the game had a solid, stable launch with what was promised actually implemented, and if FC wasn't conducting themself as abysmally as they are, you'd see a much different tone in these threads.

If you don't believe it, go look at the LoTRO forums here for example. Even with its detractors, several of whom are quite strong in their views, that game is acknowledged as having had a solid, stable launch and most people credit Turbine for handling its PR/Communications very well for the most part.

The result is a game with a much more positive reputation overall, here and elsewhere.

Now, had that game launched the way AoC did, and was followed-up the way FC has so far, you better believe it would be receiving the same lashing AoC is getting. Don't believe it, see Asheron's Call 2.. a game from Turbine that was a trainwreck in its own right - and the players were *very* vocal about that at the time. Some still are.

Point is... Stop trying to play the victim card on FC's behalf. Stop putting the cart before the horse. Stop blaming the players/posters for FC's failures. The players are reacting to the game that FC made and to their behavior since.

i remember when DnD online was released. turbine took some lashing for that game as well. instead of spinning things with lie after lie, they went ahead and fine tuned their game accordingly and what we have now may not be the best in terms of mmorpg's but it is still a nice game with solid content. i think turbine learned a few lessons from their previous releases and built their next game (LOTR) much better. Funcom should have learned at least a lesson or two from AO, but it doesnt show what so ever.

just wait till they are really strapped for cash and sell all our  info to an ad agency...which they can do so if they want since its already in their TOS....

Originally posted by skitzdout

i remember when DnD online was released. turbine took some lashing for that game as well. instead of spinning things with lie after lie, they went ahead and fine tuned their game accordingly and what we have now may not be the best in terms of mmorpg's but it is still a nice game with solid content. i think turbine learned a few lessons from their previous releases and built their next game (LOTR) much better. Funcom should have learned at least a lesson or two from AO, but it doesnt show what so ever.

Another good point.

FC's been through this before with AO. A horrible launch, a shaky follow-up... many decisions players were not very happy with (to say the least).

They've had years to learn from those mistakes and do things right with AoC. They failed.

The OP is trying portray it as "If only people weren't so negative on the forums, AoC would be doing better".

That's a wonderful fantasy to cling to.

Unfortunately the reality is more like this:
If Funcom had shipped the game in a state more representative of the hype leading up to its release and had conducted themselves better in the follow-up, there wouldn't be so much to be negative about"

yeah forums destroyeed the reputation of this game ..... because funcom wouldn't dare promote it's own game

I still can't get over the whole "WoW is like McDonald's" campaign.

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by skitzdout

i remember when DnD online was released. turbine took some lashing for that game as well. instead of spinning things with lie after lie, they went ahead and fine tuned their game accordingly and what we have now may not be the best in terms of mmorpg's but it is still a nice game with solid content. i think turbine learned a few lessons from their previous releases and built their next game (LOTR) much better. Funcom should have learned at least a lesson or two from AO, but it doesnt show what so ever.

 

Another good point.

FC's been through this before with AO. A horrible launch, a shaky follow-up... many decisions players were not very happy with (to say the least).

They've had years to learn from those mistakes and do things right with AoC. They failed.

The OP is trying to twist this into "If only people weren't so negative on the forums, AoC would be doing better".

That's a wonderful fantasy to cling to.

Unfortunately the reality is more like this:
If Funcom had shipped the game in a state more representative of the hype leading up to its release and had conducted themselves better in the follow-up, the response wouldn't be so negative".

 

 

no, funcom wasn't through this before, with age of conan it's different, why ?  they put alot of money to make the game, with AO they had the possibility even if the games fails to stay in play as a company, now if aoc fails, funcom just shut down

the futur on aoc = funcom's futur

The exchange of information and ideas on a message board will never destroy a game. If the game sucks it will kill itself.

Originally posted by scabzy

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by skitzdout

i remember when DnD online was released. turbine took some lashing for that game as well. instead of spinning things with lie after lie, they went ahead and fine tuned their game accordingly and what we have now may not be the best in terms of mmorpg's but it is still a nice game with solid content. i think turbine learned a few lessons from their previous releases and built their next game (LOTR) much better. Funcom should have learned at least a lesson or two from AO, but it doesnt show what so ever.

 

Another good point.

FC's been through this before with AO. A horrible launch, a shaky follow-up... many decisions players were not very happy with (to say the least).

They've had years to learn from those mistakes and do things right with AoC. They failed.

The OP is trying to twist this into "If only people weren't so negative on the forums, AoC would be doing better".

That's a wonderful fantasy to cling to.

Unfortunately the reality is more like this:
If Funcom had shipped the game in a state more representative of the hype leading up to its release and had conducted themselves better in the follow-up, the response wouldn't be so negative".

 

 

 

no, funcom wasn't through this before, with age of conan it's different, why ?  they put alot of money to make the game, with AO they had the possibility even if the games fails to stay in play as a company, now if aoc fails, funcom just shut down

the futur on aoc = funcom's futur

Well that's a different discussion. I'm not talking about how well prepared they are to deal with the fall-out as a company. Time will tell on that.

I'm talking about how they had years of experience from developing, launching and maintaining a previous MMO to learn from, and apparently learned nothing.

They'd even put out a post-mortem discussing the mistakes made and what could have been done better in AO after it was released. So it's not like they were clueless to what problems could arise going into AoC.

In other words - by all rights, AoC should have had a better, more complete and more stable release.

lol this forum is a riot !  i come here every now and then to get a look at the train wreck we call  AOC .

anyway , the forums didn't ruin AOC , Funcom did .

if funcom didn't lie to it's customers then no one would complain then lying  . if AOC wasn't riddled with bugs then no one would complain about the bugs  . if AOC had good content from 50 - 80 then no one would complain about level 50 - 80 content . if AOC didn't CTD every 8 seconds for the vast majority of people then no one would complain about CTD's . if AOC had good PvP then no one would complain about about PvP . i could go on for an hour ...

i know some people like AOC and thats cool if you do !  most people do not and it has nothing to do with the forums .

Originally posted by scabzy

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by skitzdout

i remember when DnD online was released. turbine took some lashing for that game as well. instead of spinning things with lie after lie, they went ahead and fine tuned their game accordingly and what we have now may not be the best in terms of mmorpg's but it is still a nice game with solid content. i think turbine learned a few lessons from their previous releases and built their next game (LOTR) much better. Funcom should have learned at least a lesson or two from AO, but it doesnt show what so ever.

 

Another good point.

FC's been through this before with AO. A horrible launch, a shaky follow-up... many decisions players were not very happy with (to say the least).

They've had years to learn from those mistakes and do things right with AoC. They failed.

The OP is trying to twist this into "If only people weren't so negative on the forums, AoC would be doing better".

That's a wonderful fantasy to cling to.

Unfortunately the reality is more like this:
If Funcom had shipped the game in a state more representative of the hype leading up to its release and had conducted themselves better in the follow-up, the response wouldn't be so negative".

 

 

 

no, funcom wasn't through this before, with age of conan it's different, why ?  they put alot of money to make the game, with AO they had the possibility even if the games fails to stay in play as a company, now if aoc fails, funcom just shut down

the futur on aoc = funcom's futur

AOC will be deserted once WAR comes out . i may be a WAR fanboi but it's not specifically WAR that will kill off AOC for good . if any MMO with good content , no major game breaking bugs and  is fun to play were to come out before WAR , i would say that is that game that will put the nail in the coffin for AOC .

To the mention of DDO.. truth be told, it maynot have been an MMO in the traditional sense but the dungeons were the best PVE content of any game, IMO.

There were real tactical decisions to be made. Mana conservation was a constant issue - none of this constant regen.

It was a very good pve game.

But what the market is crying out for is a good world pvp game.

AoC promised this, and it turned out to be a total lie. Shame on Funcom.

WAR is the next game to promise this, and seems to be offering a far more entertaining world pvp experience than AoC - albeit with more old fashioned gameplay and less compelling graphics.

We'll see.

But Funcom missed the boat by spending too much time on pve, switching to pvp content too late, and was forced to make up big fat lies about pvp content. Not only that, but it has continued to make up lies to this day, including Comical Ali-level claims of moving from strength to strength.

Forums did not kill this game.

Bad perfomance, a lack of world pvp content, completely messed up stats and gear, as well as a procession of never ending lies killed this game.

Seriously, the only solution at this point for people who see potential in AoC is to cancel and come back later. Maybe they will fix it. I hope so. But for now it's all about WAR.

In a way i agree with the OP. I've seen the game change in accordance to people crying on the forums.

I liked the way the game played at first (On the pvp servers) but things started changing soon after when people started crying for less travel time and cheaper mounts and so on.

Now we have people crying about ganking on pvp servers but to be honest without the challenge of trying to stay alive because of player-kills and spawn killing the game would be WAY too easy.

Funcom is taking a bad situation and making it worse

Originally posted by Jasz

In a way i agree with the OP. I've seen the game change in accordance to people crying on the forums.

I liked the way the game played at first (On the pvp servers) but things started changing soon after when people started crying for less travel time and cheaper mounts and so on.

Now we have people crying about ganking on pvp servers but to be honest without the challenge of trying to stay alive because of player-kills and spawn killing the game would be WAY too easy.

Funcom is taking a bad situation and making it worse

I'd say they're shooting themselves in the collective foot... repeatedly...