Originally posted by twhint

The problem with the roof/fountain/wall example is that the mobs couldn't attack you back, which is an exploit. It has always been known that using terrain to prevent taking damage from mobs is an exploit. Claiming ignorance to that is like saying you didn't know not signalling to turn is a ticketable offense. You learned it in traffic school. It may not always be enforced, but it is there.

 

Give the mobs ranged weapons and the ability to use them.

Much easier to fix than 1) rebuilding the terrain for the whole game and 2) it sure as heck beats pissing off your player base trying to keep people from doing something they might actually think is a feature.

Honestly I was surprised the first time I jumped up on a hill over looking a mob with my bow and couldn't inflict any damage on them.  To me it seemed like the right thing to do.  The game has climbable areas, ranged weapon classes and high ground then why can't I inflict damage on them?  I can get up here.  If so then they should be able to get up here as well.  If the AI can't handle the pathing to where I am then give them ranged weapons and the ability to use them. 

Seems like an easy fix to me.

  If only developers took more time to fix the exploits rather than wasting resources going after those who've given into temptation using them because the dev team can't get their act together. They chose to release the game in the state it was in.

  Humans are like water. They'll naturally seek out the course of least resistance. Some can resist such temptations but a lot will not . Don't blame them for using a short cut you left there due to your sloppy work Funcom. Fix the bloody thing! I all for banning those who exploit via 3rd party software, or find a serious exploit flaw that can wreck the economy, but banning for small exploits left all over the game due to a dev team unable to polish the game before release reflects badely on them and the company.

They're the type of holes in the game mechanics that are the basics bugs the should have be ironed out in closed Betas phases, some even in Alpha. Funcom and the bunch of clowns that make up the company had their chance. It's hard to shake off a bad rep from word of mouth. They've done all the misleading hype they can get do.

   Now you'll start hearing the same old tune of “we're listening to the players, really we are because are subs numbers are nose diving” Get to the back of the room AOC and stand next to the other failure of 2008 Tabula Rasa.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40

DUN DUN DUN!

This is just too good, things are getting so stupid in Funfail land its not funny. Feel sorry for you guys still playing and having to put up with this rot!

Gluck, hope you get it sorted.

The Drama continues!

I think FC's problem is that they expect us all to have common snese and be ble to see that if we are doing something in game with no consequences then it is probably not ment to be like that, or is an exploit.

But reality is gamers dont often exercise common snese and need to be told everything. So FC need to actually explain what a exploit is and put it in black and white!

Originally posted by twhint

The problem with the roof/fountain/wall example is that the mobs couldn't attack you back, which is an exploit. It has always been known that using terrain to prevent taking damage from mobs is an exploit. Claiming ignorance to that is like saying you didn't know not signalling to turn is a ticketable offense. You learned it in traffic school. It may not always be enforced, but it is there.

The problem with claiming that attacking from higher terrain is a bannable offense is that it utterly destroys any element of realism because in the real world taking advantage of terrain is one of the most fundamental aspects of warfare.

Your example mentions roof/fountain/wall but what about rocky terrain? If only some higher rocky terrain is considered an exploit, whilst other areas are considered mere bumps in the ground, then how are players supposed to tell the difference?

It is nowhere near as clear cut as you make out & to stick with your driving analogy it seems more like a speed trap on a poorly signposted road that catches many drivers unaware they have broken the law.

Funcom must have been able to anticipate this as it is so ridiculously obvious, but to compensate for a basic design flaw by threatening people with being banned just seems wrong.

In my opinion of course.

Thing is friend your playing a game not going to war. ye a game that was totaly real would be different but this is Conan, it's  game set in a fantasy world. and in the real world if i sat on a wall firing arrows at someone i dont really think they would just stand there till they died.

Originally posted by shukes33

Thing is friend your playing a game not going to war. ye a game that was totaly real would be different but this is Conan, it's  game set in a fantasy world. and in the real world if i sat on a wall firing arrows at someone i dont really think they would just stand there till they died.

I take it you are aware of that you've been 100% contradicting yourself in only 2 posts? :)

1. People should have common sense to know what's "allowed" in AOC

2. It's just a fantasy game, so no IRL rules apply.

????????

Honestly, your arguing is just this in essence: Funcom is right, you are all stupid and should shut up.

DB

This is just even beyond silly and sad at the moment.

There are many places in AoC where you can go legitimately, either by just walking or by your climbing skills.

And now people are getting banned by using legitimate way to get on higher terrain (As hyped and advertised galore by Gaute), because their whole AI engine is utterly FLAWED!

When I played back in may and june I could ran up against a hill till a dead point and range kill animals, without them following me and thus attacking me, because the AI was TOO stupid to even allow them to walk towards me on that hill (wich wasn't even steep). Meaning that if I would have done that today I would now been banned too

Funcom really has no clue and is now really trying to destroy their own game on an even worse rate!

Instead of trying to adress issues and FIX them, they just nerf other features to compensate or nerf them in general or as lately... EVEN WORSE trying to wave them off as exploits and start banning innocent people for it!

Way to go Funcom! Hope all other dev companies are watching this and learn from it!

Cheers

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by shukes33

Thing is friend your playing a game not going to war. ye a game that was totaly real would be different but this is Conan, it's  game set in a fantasy world. and in the real world if i sat on a wall firing arrows at someone i dont really think they would just stand there till they died.

 

I take it you are aware of that you've been 100% contradicting yourself in only 2 posts? :)

1. People should have common sense to know what's "allowed" in AOC

2. It's just a fantasy game, so no IRL rules apply.

????????

Honestly, your arguing is just this in essence: Funcom is right, you are all stupid and should shut up.

DB

Please read my posts again and the ones above and then rethink what you are saying. i think you have jumped in head first a bbit there without even trying to understand :) if you still feel the same after reading again i will only be too happy to explain further what i meant to say.
 

Originally posted by Guillermo197

This is just even beyond silly and sad at the moment.

There are many places in AoC where you can go legitimately, either by just walking or by your climbing skills.

And now people are getting banned by using legitimate way to get on higher terrain (As hyped and advertised galore by Gaute), because their whole AI engine is utterly FLAWED!

When I played back in may and june I could ran up against a hill till a dead point and range kill animals, without them following me and thus attacking me, because the AI was TOO stupid to even allow them to walk towards me on that hill (wich wasn't even steep). Meaning that if I would have done that today I would now been banned too

Funcom really has no clue and is now really trying to destroy their own game on an even worse rate!

Instead of trying to adress issues and FIX them, they just nerf other features to compensate or nerf them in general or as lately... EVEN WORSE trying to wave them off as exploits and start banning innocent people for it!

Way to go Funcom! Hope all other dev companies are watching this and learn from it!

Cheers

You are 100% right it is no ones fault other than FC's but it still doesnt mean exploiting is allowed. By your own admission you used to take advantage of a badly coded area. you used the fact that mobs couldnt reach you. not that it slowed them down but that it actually stopped them reaching you. i know its not your fault but it is still an exploit and yes it is FC's fault and no one else's...just like the guy who leaves his keys in his car...dont mean i am allowed to steal it though :).

Originally posted by shukes33

Thing is friend your playing a game not going to war. ye a game that was totaly real would be different but this is Conan, it's  game set in a fantasy world. and in the real world if i sat on a wall firing arrows at someone i dont really think they would just stand there till they died.

Actually I am going to WAR.

Originally posted by shukes33

 

You are 100% right it is no ones fault other than FC's but it still doesnt mean exploiting is allowed. By your own admission you used to take advantage of a badly coded area. you used the fact that mobs couldnt reach you. not that it slowed them down but that it actually stopped them reaching you. i know its not your fault but it is still an exploit and yes it is FC's fault and no one else's...just like the guy who leaves his keys in his car...dont mean i am allowed to steal it though :).

Really bad analogy... Really bad. Let me make one better for you..

You buy a stereo from Panasonic. You can't play music on it but you can microwave a pizza in the magnetic field around it, because its built so badly. So you use your stereo to heat your food at night. Then Panasonic go in and cut the power to your house, because your stereo was supposed to play music, not heat food.

people still playing aoc wtf? really? what F is wrong with u people?

Originally posted by shukes33

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by shukes33

Thing is friend your playing a game not going to war. ye a game that was totaly real would be different but this is Conan, it's  game set in a fantasy world. and in the real world if i sat on a wall firing arrows at someone i dont really think they would just stand there till they died.

 

I take it you are aware of that you've been 100% contradicting yourself in only 2 posts? :)

1. People should have common sense to know what's "allowed" in AOC

2. It's just a fantasy game, so no IRL rules apply.

????????

Honestly, your arguing is just this in essence: Funcom is right, you are all stupid and should shut up.

DB

Please read my posts again and the ones above and then rethink what you are saying. i think you have jumped in head first a bbit there without even trying to understand :) if you still feel the same after reading again i will only be too happy to explain further what i meant to say.
 

Fair enough - still, your responses were ambigous, you have to admit :)

DB

Originally posted by Rob_dc84

people still playing aoc wtf? really? what F is wrong with u people?

Yea i wonder the same...but im afraid to say it..i was banned 2 times already for trolling...for them trolling is saying true facts about aoc...

Me too :) can't wait ..the last few days i have been really sold on the idea of war! hope it can live up to it.

Originally posted by shukes33

Me too :) can't wait ..the last few days i have been really sold on the idea of war! hope it can live up to it.

me too, I have ordered the CE, and I am waiting for CB next week. From next week I play WAR, CB=PW=OB=release.

DB your right when i read them back i can see what you mean. i think i'm just one of those who find it hard to put down what i mean in writing.

All i was trying to say was that while i can see FC has made so many mistakes and are responsible for so much...i think 90% of the exploit arguments are pointless. I mean nearly all of them are exploits and obvious ones. It's up to us as gamers to take some responsibility of our own too. Maybe i am too old or long in the tooth i dont know, but, if i see something not working right i say so..i dont just take advantage of it.

As for the real life thing. i just mean "calm down people, it's only a game and dont expect too much!"

Kasimir, dont you have to like a game to be a fanboy? lol seriously mate how am i a fanboy? i have to admit friend i am sitting here laughing at you at the min. Can you kindly tell me why i am wrong too laught at you cause i can't think why at the min. i see what your post wa saying and you are right but the last bit calling me a fanboy just seems way of! news flash mate... saying i agree that it's FC's fault means that i think it's FC's fault lol.

Shukes hermmmm... that is his signature! LOL, talking about shooting yourself in the foot.

The fact that you ignored completely his argument and decided to focus your whole response on his signature says alot about you and your opinion.