Originally posted by Hoplites

Originally posted by dalevi11

Originally posted by cirdane

I just watched the latest POD cast  and I find it dishartening. the developer showing the changes made them sound much more permante than MJ did.

the way he spoke it sound s like the other 4 capital cities are history never to return. All content has been moved to the the two remaining cities.

I originaly was all for the idea of the cuts they made but now I have to say it is sounding like a bait and switch. Do they have any intention of putting in the other 4 cities? 

he spoke about people preferring to protect certian cities and said they didn't want that. Who in the hell are they to tell me what I want to do I'm the paying customer.

I was all for holding out content to get it right. I am not for changing the basic of the game with a lame ppromise to "add it later at some point maybe if the moons full"

mythic has bad habit of not carrying through on promised fixs (hey any mids out there still waiting on the mid love patch?)

I'd like to thank the developer for talking strait and showing me that these are permant CHANGES and not just delayed contentfixes or work arounds.

I personally think seeing cities defended by thier own races with 10% or 15% allies from other races was going to be very unique.

I may still play depending on reports from beta but  think  mythic    may be pulling a fast on with it's maybe later promises.

 

What do you think?

 

 

 

The best post I have seen on this was one where WoW launched with 3 capital cities, and what, 8 classes?

They warned you 2 1/2 months before launch. This isn't a bait and switch, if you want that, go play AoC, DnL, or Vanguard. Otherwise, stop being suck a spoiled troll.

 

WoW is primarily a PVE game so I am not sure it is a good idea to draw parallels from there.

I think from a term of choice and space, it does. WoW, perhaps, offered less at launch than WAR will. Plus it offers a pvp based end game engrained. Seems better in text doesn't it? The main point being, they warned you, all of you, what they chose to do. Please don't bash a game for being straight forward. I won't, even though I have no intention to play the first 6 months.

They are already better than funcom without a launch...

Originally posted by dalevi11

Originally posted by Hoplites

Originally posted by dalevi11

Originally posted by cirdane

I just watched the latest POD cast  and I find it dishartening. the developer showing the changes made them sound much more permante than MJ did.

the way he spoke it sound s like the other 4 capital cities are history never to return. All content has been moved to the the two remaining cities.

I originaly was all for the idea of the cuts they made but now I have to say it is sounding like a bait and switch. Do they have any intention of putting in the other 4 cities? 

he spoke about people preferring to protect certian cities and said they didn't want that. Who in the hell are they to tell me what I want to do I'm the paying customer.

I was all for holding out content to get it right. I am not for changing the basic of the game with a lame ppromise to "add it later at some point maybe if the moons full"

mythic has bad habit of not carrying through on promised fixs (hey any mids out there still waiting on the mid love patch?)

I'd like to thank the developer for talking strait and showing me that these are permant CHANGES and not just delayed contentfixes or work arounds.

I personally think seeing cities defended by thier own races with 10% or 15% allies from other races was going to be very unique.

I may still play depending on reports from beta but  think  mythic    may be pulling a fast on with it's maybe later promises.

 

What do you think?

 

 

 

The best post I have seen on this was one where WoW launched with 3 capital cities, and what, 8 classes?

They warned you 2 1/2 months before launch. This isn't a bait and switch, if you want that, go play AoC, DnL, or Vanguard. Otherwise, stop being suck a spoiled troll.

 

WoW is primarily a PVE game so I am not sure it is a good idea to draw parallels from there.

 

I think from a term of choice and space, it does. WoW, perhaps, offered less at launch than WAR will. Plus it offers a pvp based end game engrained. Seems better in text doesn't it? The main point being, they warned you, all of you, what they chose to do. Please don't bash a game for being straight forward. I won't, even though I have no intention to play the first 6 months.

They are already better than funcom without a launch...

WoW is an old game though and it was entering a MMORPG market with different expecations at the time.  I do not think it is a good idea to try to compare and contrast WoW's earlier years with the launches of upcoming MMORPG's.

As for not playing the first six months we share the same philosophy in waiting for the dust settle before moving in to try a MMORPG.  But for those hoping that the rest of the cities would be in six months post launch may need to watch the recent podcast.

Originally posted by xenogias

God stop with all the bait and switch bullcrap. If you dont like the changes, dont buy/play the game. You will not be missed and Mythic will not care. You know you have that option dont you? Its not like you have to play every single MMO that hits the market.

Do I wish the other cities where there? Of course I do. Do I wish the other classes where there? Of course I do. But no amount of whining and complaining is going to change the fact that they arent there. Either decide your going to play the game anyway or not. Stop beating a dead horse.

Agreed. Bait and switch means they got your ass in the store, and either "sold out" of what you were looking for, or tried to upsell you to a point of denying you the advertised product. This happens the SAME DAY.

I they warn you two months in advance, it's not B&S, especially on the internet where you know it 5 minutes after they announce it.

Example: The SWG CU was not bait and switch, they told us it was coming 5-6 months ahead. The SWG NGE happened 2 weeks (without warning) and was announced the day after a $25 expansion went live. THAT was bait and switch.

So, The OP and his supporter should simply grow up, and stfu.

Originally posted by BRYANBARTLEY

Lizardmen, Vampires, and Tomb Kings as a 3rd faction xD

 

would make absolutly no sense lore wise

nor would it fit into the RvR mechanic....

 

unless they just let those three exist on their own, and terrorize both the Order and Destruction

Vampire, Tomb Kings and Skaven could work.

As to pairing:

Bretonnian's and Lizardmen

Wood Elves and Beastman Army

Originally posted by Tuck2000

Originally posted by BRYANBARTLEY

Lizardmen, Vampires, and Tomb Kings as a 3rd faction xD

 

would make absolutly no sense lore wise

nor would it fit into the RvR mechanic....

 

unless they just let those three exist on their own, and terrorize both the Order and Destruction

Vampire, Tomb Kings and Skaven could work.

As to pairing:

Bretonnian's and Lizardmen

Wood Elves and Beastman Army

i'm just having a hard time thinking up classes for more elves XD
 

but yea i would die for a lizardman

Originally posted by Hoplites

Originally posted by dalevi11

Originally posted by Hoplites

Originally posted by dalevi11

Originally posted by cirdane

I just watched the latest POD cast  and I find it dishartening. the developer showing the changes made them sound much more permante than MJ did.

the way he spoke it sound s like the other 4 capital cities are history never to return. All content has been moved to the the two remaining cities.

I originaly was all for the idea of the cuts they made but now I have to say it is sounding like a bait and switch. Do they have any intention of putting in the other 4 cities? 

he spoke about people preferring to protect certian cities and said they didn't want that. Who in the hell are they to tell me what I want to do I'm the paying customer.

I was all for holding out content to get it right. I am not for changing the basic of the game with a lame ppromise to "add it later at some point maybe if the moons full"

mythic has bad habit of not carrying through on promised fixs (hey any mids out there still waiting on the mid love patch?)

I'd like to thank the developer for talking strait and showing me that these are permant CHANGES and not just delayed contentfixes or work arounds.

I personally think seeing cities defended by thier own races with 10% or 15% allies from other races was going to be very unique.

I may still play depending on reports from beta but  think  mythic    may be pulling a fast on with it's maybe later promises.

 

What do you think?

 

 

 

The best post I have seen on this was one where WoW launched with 3 capital cities, and what, 8 classes?

They warned you 2 1/2 months before launch. This isn't a bait and switch, if you want that, go play AoC, DnL, or Vanguard. Otherwise, stop being suck a spoiled troll.

 

WoW is primarily a PVE game so I am not sure it is a good idea to draw parallels from there.

 

I think from a term of choice and space, it does. WoW, perhaps, offered less at launch than WAR will. Plus it offers a pvp based end game engrained. Seems better in text doesn't it? The main point being, they warned you, all of you, what they chose to do. Please don't bash a game for being straight forward. I won't, even though I have no intention to play the first 6 months.

They are already better than funcom without a launch...

 

WoW is an old game though and it was entering a MMORPG market with different expecations at the time.  I do not think it is a good idea to try to compare and contrast WoW's earlier years with the launches of upcoming MMORPG's.

As for not playing the first six months we share the same philosophy in waiting for the dust settle before moving in to try a MMORPG.  But for those hoping that the rest of the cities would be in six months post launch may need to watch the recent podcast.

 

Actually, I think the WoW launch is a great point of comparison. Even at 4 years old, few games have captured in a year what wow captured at launch, their main problem being the log in servers. The rest of the game ran fine, this was continued by Lord, and a few others. There are also many, if not all MMO's that release with less content than wow did at launch, look as DnD or AoC. WoW set a decent standard, I don't even like the game, but it raised expectations.

If WAR can release with more territory, classes, and at least as much content as WoW did at launch, it is a noteworthy acheivement. At least one with more to boast than AoC. Funcom couldn't even fess up to having 2/3 of core systems unfinished.

drop.... NDA..... soon..... so......we......can......answer........these.......

WOW glad to see so much discussion flying about this. I think my point is simply the way the changes were put to me is they were holding off on the new content till it was ready the POD cast says the focus of the game was changed. the two are not the same.

oh as far as the mid love patch comment your not old school DAOC if you dont remembe the promise of love patches for all three realms alb got a super love patch hib got an ok love patch, they never got around to doing Mids and a year later denied they every were going to then said they didn't need it any way. :P by then the last players on a lot of mid servers had already turned out the lights on the way out.

for the people makeing various STFU comments, hey move out of your parents basements and get a life it's a game not life or death i'm interested but I've been burned by mythic before. the game looks good and mythic has grown alot from the old days but I'd really like to hear discussion on it . I think the old way was better but it's not a deal breaker for me. I DON"T like this change in message from "hey we couldn't get it all done " to "we think this works better"  that reminds me of the old mythic where thanes were told they were designed to be on the bottom of the pvp heap cause someone had to and they were working as intended. 

by the same logic the titanic didn't sink it failed in it's mission when the captain decided to covert it to a submarine mid voyage.

Who cares? They took them out because they weren't fun and fulfilling.  I'll trust them on their word, they've made some of the most MMO fun I've ever had.

WoW is primarily a PVE game so I am not sure it is a good idea to draw parallels from there.

You apparently havn't played it since BC.

This game is a total disservice to everything Warhammer..

The gameplay is also boring as hell.. I couldn't play it for  more than 15minutes without being bored out of my mind.

I like the changes, as it focuses the RvR campaign to one final point instead of 3.

I would still like to see the racial cities put in after launch to add flavor content (ie. some new quests with a specific racial flair) and give those players an additional place to go for basic services (albeit it makes sense that these services would be less than available in the Capital).

For the sake of the RvR campaign remaining focussed and well-populated, I am glad they did this.

Originally posted by Lughsan

This game is a total disservice to everything Warhammer..

 

The gameplay is also boring as hell.. I couldn't play it for  more than 15minutes without being bored out of my mind.

How could you possibly be bored in 15 min.  LOL, more likely you have never played it, why lie?

Originally posted by N3oN667

WoW is primarily a PVE game so I am not sure it is a good idea to draw parallels from there.

 

You apparently havn't played it since BC.

I am playing it currently and it is still primarily a PVE game.

Originally posted by Lughsan

This game is a total disservice to everything Warhammer..

 

The gameplay is also boring as hell.. I couldn't play it for  more than 15minutes without being bored out of my mind.

Here's a hint, you'll never win if you only use auto-attack.

Originally posted by Lughsan

This game is a total disservice to everything Warhammer..

 

The gameplay is also boring as hell.. I couldn't play it for  more than 15minutes without being bored out of my mind.

Okay...bye bye now. Have fun in AoC!

I think its a good thing. It's not any fun to play an empty MMO. Centralizing things makes it easier to group and what not.

Here's a link to the podcast I think you mean.

http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/home/flash/2008-07_podcast.html

Interested to see how they handle travel to the fortresses from the main city though.

BTW

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Originally posted by cirdane
Who in the hell are they to tell me what I want to do I'm the paying customer.

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They are the guys spending the time and money to create the game. I imagine they didn't make the decision on a whim, so going to trust that it will make the game more fun. If its more fun this way its better for them anyway, right?

Now WAR = WoW BGs with fewer BGs than expected.

Awesome =)

why does it have to be instanced 48 vs 48? I was a little discouraged, cause I honestly wanted MASS PvP RvR, ya know? only 48 right? that sux, but oh well, I don't care, Warhammer is great

Originally posted by Xenosaiyan

why does it have to be instanced 48 vs 48? I was a little discouraged, cause I honestly wanted MASS PvP RvR, ya know? only 48 right? that sux, but oh well, I don't care, Warhammer is great

That is only part of the city siege that is instanced and I don't think the number of players is set in stone.  You still have unlimited players for part of the siege and for fortress assaults etc.