Kudos to Blizzard for giving me yet another reason to not like them. And it's absolutely ridiculous when people say "they were just doing to it decrease harassment." Maybe if they took care of the harassment in the first place, people wouldn't have to make a LGBT friendly guild as a haven for those that take offense to such degrading remarks.

Originally posted by Capn23

Keep real life IRL is my policy.

 

I play games to get away from real life shit, so don't try to make a real life issue part of my get-away.

The thing is, how we treat people in virtual worlds and how we treat people in real life are related. Both tolerance and hatred go where the human race goes.

I don't suppose people remember the RP part of MMORPG. Besides how someone would choose to role play their character, they are still presenting both gender and sexuality through their avatar, even if they're only running around killing pigs in the forest.

Originally posted by vernd

Originally posted by Majinash

Originally posted by grimal

#3 is so annoying.  When they make such a big deal of their own sexuality, it only annoys people outside their group, thus increasing the discrimination against them....

honestly can't people read? FRIENDLY, not a GLBT guild, a GLBT FRIENDLY guild.

Does the distinction matter when they are advertising specifically? Would you accept a "white nationalist friendly" guild advertising as such?

you're just being obnoxious now.  the entire point is a GLBT friendly guild is a way to escape homophobic people and their language, its the same as a guild that doesn't allowed racist or sexist language.

it means you don't get to bash a group of people, the only reason they have to make such a big deal about it is because sadly being homophobic is acceptable in many places, so you have to specify in game.

so by this logic....

there should be no all women / men guilds to avoid sexual harrassment

no same color guilds to avoid racial descrimination...

etc...

In SWG one of the best guilds on our server was the PEARL guild...a guild which was comprised entirely of females for the RP of and environment. They were entertainers and warriors. I guess they should have been banned as well.

They should not allow any of this crap like mentioned previously. I don't want people trying to make a real life statement while I'm trying to have a good time. If you are GLBT and want to know if the guild is mature enough to not say gay/fag/whatever...then ask the guild leader, but don't advertise that you are a haven for real life issues. I am a strong Conservative Christian...and I don't want to bring that into my game. I want to be a blood thirsty Disciple of Khaine or a slightly insane Bright Wizard. I really hope Mythic doesn't allow these sorts of guilds...but also monitors the offensive and racist comments. If you don't like the way someone runs a guild.../gquit

plain and simple.

Originally posted by Majinash

Originally posted by vernd

Originally posted by Majinash

Originally posted by grimal

#3 is so annoying.  When they make such a big deal of their own sexuality, it only annoys people outside their group, thus increasing the discrimination against them....

honestly can't people read? FRIENDLY, not a GLBT guild, a GLBT FRIENDLY guild.

Does the distinction matter when they are advertising specifically? Would you accept a "white nationalist friendly" guild advertising as such?

 

you're just being obnoxious now.  the entire point is a GLBT friendly guild is a way to escape homophobic people and their language, its the same as a guild that doesn't allowed racist or sexist language.

 

it means you don't get to bash a group of people, the only reason they have to make such a big deal about it is because sadly being homophobic is acceptable in many places, so you have to specify in game.

How am I being obnoxious? Ethnicity is a protected classification, just like sexual orientation and gender. If 'GLBT-friendly' is allowable, then every other '[status]-friendly' guild should be allowed to advertise.  This would include race, political opinion, religion, etc.

I am sympathetic to the players' intent, but not their methods.

Role-playing (which I do quite often) is a whole other ballpark. I have no problem if that's the way you RP your character...just don't hit on me in the Tavern =P

I would politely tell them OOCly that I am heterosexual and end it at that. If they continue...

/ignore

If someone (ICly or OOCly) bashes the person

Open a Ticket and they should get one warning and then a ban if they repeat it.

Originally posted by Capn23

They should not allow any of this crap like mentioned previously. I don't want people trying to make a real life statement while I'm trying to have a good time. If you are GLBT and want to know if the guild is mature enough to not say gay/fag/whatever...then ask the guild leader, but don't advertise that you are a haven for real life issues. I am a strong Conservative Christian...and I don't want to bring that into my game. I want to be a blood thirsty Disciple of Khaine or a slightly insane Bright Wizard. I really hope Mythic doesn't allow these sorts of guilds...but also monitors the offensive and racist comments. If you don't like the way someone runs a guild.../gquit

 

plain and simple.

 what if a guild did not advertise, but based their application process (if one), or your talks to a guild leader they say they are a GLBT guild or friendly. . It is no different. GLBT and likewise friendly guilds are no different than those recruitment based on gear. same concept.

If you reasearched into the GLBT issues wow had, you would have saw that  they actucally  retracked alot of it. Anyways everyone one plays games for different reasons if you don't want IRL stuff brought into the game that  don't join a GLBT guild. But there no reason you should be able to tell someone else they cannot do it. that makes no sense at all. you want freedom to escape life and yet you want to force poeple to not enjoy the game how they want to.

 freedom is a double edge sword. I know I know they will be flames for this but really if you think about it why are you right in thinking WAR should not welcome a diverse player base and instead accept only your way of thinking.

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Although it is a status, it is not a status in which you need to seperate yourself from the rest of the society for.

Being black/white/asian/ whatever the hell ethnicity you are on an mmo doesn't really effect the way people think about you, but if you say you are gay, things become totally different.

It's a Politically correct guild that curtails free speech, raises drama and will play victim if they are not granted whatever they want.

Also they are a legal liability for the companies.  What IF someone in a LGBT guild "hits" on their under 18 child.  Say Mom finds out her 15 year old boy is being approached by a male player.

Lawsuit.

Not worth the effort

Originally posted by MrVicchio

It's a Politically correct guild that curtails free speech, raises drama and will play victim if they are not granted whatever they want.

 

Also they are a legal liability for the companies.  What IF someone in a LGBT guild "hits" on their under 18 child.  Say Mom finds out her 15 year old boy is being approached by a male player.

 

Lawsuit.

 

Not worth the effort

how is it any different if a 30 yr old male in a non GLBT guild hits on a 15 yr old boy?

Originally posted by MrVicchio

It's a Politically correct guild that curtails free speech, raises drama and will play victim if they are not granted whatever they want.

 

Also they are a legal liability for the companies.  What IF someone in a LGBT guild "hits" on their under 18 child.  Say Mom finds out her 15 year old boy is being approached by a male player.

 

Lawsuit.

 

Not worth the effort

WHY does him being in that guild make a difference?

Huh?

It doesn't.

You need to realize that being gay is but a lifestyle choice, and not somehing to Accuse and hate someone for.

Originally posted by MrVicchio

It's a Politically correct guild that curtails free speech, raises drama and will play victim if they are not granted whatever they want.

 

Also they are a legal liability for the companies.  What IF someone in a LGBT guild "hits" on their under 18 child.  Say Mom finds out her 15 year old boy is being approached by a male player.

 

Lawsuit.

 

Not worth the effort

and thats different from some mom finding out her 15 year old daughter is being approached by a male player?  its creepy either way, but it sounds like you are inferring that gay men are into children.

and sorry but free speech doesn't exist in an online game.

Originally posted by miagisan

umm i think GLBT is no different than you or I. I have no problem with it and would happily let them play. There is NO reason why they shouldn't be allowed to form? How is it any different than a guild of straight people? Those who do not allow it are shallow, prejudice against a different choice of lifestyle, and should let them be. They have the same rights, and are the same people as everyone else.

 

I would gladly welcome a GLBT or GLBT friendly guild, as well as members. Blizzard is retarded if they try to ban such guilds.

No one is restricting them from playing.

People would be pissed off if I wanted to form a straight people only guild. But I don't want to. Every guild I've been in has been completely open and accepting of anyone and everyone, provided they didn't act like morons.

You're no more special because you're gay or transgendered than I am because I'm straight.

Originally posted by leshtricity

Originally posted by miagisan

umm i think GLBT is no different than you or I. I have no problem with it and would happily let them play. There is NO reason why they shouldn't be allowed to form? How is it any different than a guild of straight people? Those who do not allow it are shallow, prejudice against a different choice of lifestyle, and should let them be. They have the same rights, and are the same people as everyone else.

 

I would gladly welcome a GLBT or GLBT friendly guild, as well as members. Blizzard is retarded if they try to ban such guilds.

No one is restricting them from playing.

People would be pissed off if I wanted to form a straight people only guild. But I don't want to. Every guild I've been in has been completely open and accepting of anyone and everyone, provided they didn't act like morons.

You're no more special because you're gay or transgendered than I am because I'm straight.

it is just a GLBT FRIENDLY guild,

not special, but a place where they a welcome and not restricted.

Originally posted by leshtricity

Originally posted by miagisan

umm i think GLBT is no different than you or I. I have no problem with it and would happily let them play. There is NO reason why they shouldn't be allowed to form? How is it any different than a guild of straight people? Those who do not allow it are shallow, prejudice against a different choice of lifestyle, and should let them be. They have the same rights, and are the same people as everyone else.

 

I would gladly welcome a GLBT or GLBT friendly guild, as well as members. Blizzard is retarded if they try to ban such guilds.

No one is restricting them from playing.

People would be pissed off if I wanted to form a straight people only guild. But I don't want to. Every guild I've been in has been completely open and accepting of anyone and everyone, provided they didn't act like morons.

You're no more special because you're gay or transgendered than I am because I'm straight.

i dont allow hackers or cheaters into my guild.... even in wow. we are a mature family oriented guild, should i be banned because i am limiting a playstyle?

should my old swg guild or wow guild be banned cause we only allow 1 faction and are not multifactional? same concept.

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by MrVicchio

It's a Politically correct guild that curtails free speech, raises drama and will play victim if they are not granted whatever they want.

 

Also they are a legal liability for the companies.  What IF someone in a LGBT guild "hits" on their under 18 child.  Say Mom finds out her 15 year old boy is being approached by a male player.

 

Lawsuit.

 

Not worth the effort

how is it any different if a 30 yr old male in a non GLBT guild hits on a 15 yr old boy?

Uhm...

A guild can be claimed to be a "consented" organization in the game by the Host company.  

"Ladies and Gentleman of the Jury, Blizzard knowingly allowed this group, and took no steps to protect the innocent young man sitting before you.  They allowed this to happen."

If an old lady can sue for hot coffee, and win, this is a slam dunk.

then by your logic..any guild who has a member act innappropriately could be banned and sued as a whole...then by this logic...no guilds should be allowed to exist because of requirements or application looking for certain factors...aka gear, location, timezone, nationality, etc.

Originally posted by BRYANBARTLEY

Originally posted by leshtricity

Originally posted by miagisan

umm i think GLBT is no different than you or I. I have no problem with it and would happily let them play. There is NO reason why they shouldn't be allowed to form? How is it any different than a guild of straight people? Those who do not allow it are shallow, prejudice against a different choice of lifestyle, and should let them be. They have the same rights, and are the same people as everyone else.

 

I would gladly welcome a GLBT or GLBT friendly guild, as well as members. Blizzard is retarded if they try to ban such guilds.

No one is restricting them from playing.

People would be pissed off if I wanted to form a straight people only guild. But I don't want to. Every guild I've been in has been completely open and accepting of anyone and everyone, provided they didn't act like morons.

You're no more special because you're gay or transgendered than I am because I'm straight.

 

it is just a GLBT FRIENDLY guild,

not special, but a place where they a welcome and not restricted.

Looks like those who understand the difference are sadly outnumbered. I haven't seen a recruitment for a GLBT guild in my MMO days, however that's a guild I would seriously consider joining, even though I'm a straight male. An exclusive guild would offend me.