Originally posted by Spooky1013

People being conned by common email and telephone scams oughta know better also lol... there's crap about it everywhere these days warning folks... not to mention the fact people should use their uncommon sense and know to hang up, find their official numbers and call the real companies and report the fact. Personal information especially and mainly credit cards, social security numbers, passwords and the like are already on file if they're needed at any agency and can be pulled up on a computer at the snap of a finger.  Agencies themselves tell people specifically not to give this out lol. I'm not advocating anything that truely cons people and causes loss and destroys lives but, this guy should not be compared to that in the least and once again people oughta know better. I'm always on guard and have avoided being scammed myself, and by the lowlives I've met in my life conned as well as having an obviously careful scrutiny of the women I allow myself to trust. As for the comments about the men not being able to help it, you'd think they could learn from their mistakes and even talk to female friends to learn and ask for help. It's not that difficult to gradually recondition one's self to avoid repeating mistakes if getting laid is that important to the men. It just takes reflection, consideration, consulting, forming new habits and experimentation.

The problem here is that these victims are usually not intelligent enough to defend themselves. we have many people with mental disabilities, elderly with dimished capacity, and  people that are too far into depression to pull themselves out in online games and in our society. The differnce here is that the people taking advantage of these people do know better, and are targeting these people because they think it is acceptable behavior in their own mind.  I cannot support or condone this behavior. As a society, we help those who need it, not  kick them when they are down.
 

They're just MMO players, probably married or high shool teenagers. 99% probably never gets taken advantage of online. It's harmless fun.

The OP can't be the norm because I know more than one guy playing a female online, but the OP takes advantage from them financially and that's where he's going over the line.

I have 0 problem with mangina's though, guys who just play females and pretend to be for fun, there is nothing wrong with that, MMO are meant to be fantasy.

Originally posted by Vendayn

Originally posted by CaptainTroll

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by CaptainTroll

Damond did not force the people getting "conned" to give him money or gifts. The people who fall for these tricks are the ones who need help. They should not be playing games. But the developers don't care, all they are interested in is there money, and so is Damond. But the thing is the people who need help choose to play games to escape the big bad world rather than getting help. It is there fault if they get heart eitehr financially or emotionally.

The Troll

 

people pulling off scams via telephone email or door to door sales on elderly people did not force them to do it either, what he is doing is no different. Conning anyone is not acceptable no matter it's form, a  con is a con, and  should not be condoned in any form.

 

Come on little lady. The people getting conned should know better. They should know they are playing a game. They should know not everything is what it seems. If they are so gulliable to fall for such a stunt, they deserve to have their heart broken. They should learn from their mistake and be smarter the next time they meet someone in a game. They should do their best to find the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Besides, the people doing the scamming and door to door sales work need to feed their families as well. They have to find a way to making a living.

Do you think Bill Gates got to where he is at now ONLY through ethical practices? I don't think so.

Do you think Donald Trump got to where he is at now withouth using unethical practices? Nope.

What about Mark Zuckerberg, the president/founder of facebook? Do you think he was ethical in his rise to power. No my dear, he was not.

This is a dog eat dog world Devil. A dog eat dog world.

The Troll

 

Heh, everyone I've met in person isn't the kind to take advantage of people.. all the people I met are nice and friendly and don't use the term "Dog eat dog world". Well actually, I've met a few...they were aholes and I just avoided them, I had no need to interact with those kinds of people.

And not everyone is able to talkor meet   people in real life, some have disabilities that diminish their social skills...maybe they are physically disabled and have to be on the PC all the time and aren't able to do much (I know one person in my family like that), so the only way for them to meet people is through the online world.

 

How is someone's disability that the fault of Damond? I'm sorry for the person who is disabled, but Damond did not do anything wrong to make him or her the way he or she is.

The TROLL

Originally posted by CaptainTroll

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by CaptainTroll

Damond did not force the people getting "conned" to give him money or gifts. The people who fall for these tricks are the ones who need help. They should not be playing games. But the developers don't care, all they are interested in is there money, and so is Damond. But the thing is the people who need help choose to play games to escape the big bad world rather than getting help. It is there fault if they get heart eitehr financially or emotionally.

The Troll

 

people pulling off scams via telephone email or door to door sales on elderly people did not force them to do it either, what he is doing is no different. Conning anyone is not acceptable no matter it's form, a  con is a con, and  should not be condoned in any form.

 

Come on little lady. The people getting conned should know better. They should know they are playing a game. They should know not everything is what it seems. If they are so gulliable to fall for such a stunt, they deserve to have their heart broken. They should learn from their mistake and be smarter the next time they meet someone in a game. They should do their best to find the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Besides, the people doing the scamming and door to door sales work need to feed their families as well. They have to find a way to making a living.

Do you think Bill Gates got to where he is at now ONLY through ethical practices? I don't think so.

Do you think Donald Trump got to where he is at now withouth using unethical practices? Nope.

What about Mark Zuckerberg, the president/founder of facebook? Do you think he was ethical in his rise to power. No my dear, he was not.

This is a dog eat dog world Devil. A dog eat dog world.

The Troll

Deviliscious has responded respectfully.  so "little lady" is a bit condescending. I've already stated my opinions on real life cons and rpg cons....but noone deserves to have a broken heart. Should they experience one?..absolutely..as painful as it may be..it is a learning experience. Scamming for a Living?....bullsh@t...no one needs to scam for a living. If anyone needs to resort to cons on a regular basis to feed there families...then they are not trying hard enough . As for Bill Gates...i'm sure he bent/broke some rules...and the guy he bought DOS from is not a multi billionaire...but I guarantee you he doesn't need to work for the rest of his life....bit off topic..sorry.

Originally posted by Vendayn

 

Heh, everyone I've met in person isn't the kind to take advantage of people.. all the people I met are nice and friendly and don't use the term "Dog eat dog world". Well actually, I've met a few...they were aholes and I just avoided them, I had no need to interact with those kinds of people.

And not everyone is able to talkor meet   people in real life, some have disabilities that diminish their social skills...maybe they are physically disabled and have to be on the PC all the time and aren't able to do much (I know one person in my family like that), so the only way for them to meet people is through the online world.

 

That has been my expierance as well. I have met many people  in games with physical and mental disabilities. For some of these people this is their only outlet, it is a shame that people actually think it is okay to prey upon them. FYI the guy I knew that tried to hang himself after a shemale took him for a ride.. he was in a car accident when he was 14, he was both physically and mentally disabled for life. He never graduated from school, he never went on a real date, he never played sports.  All he wanted in this world was to be normal, but I guess that just makes him easy pickings for people like this.

I might add at this point, with all the talk of the disabled and such. I do not take advantage of anyone I know to be disabled or sick; yeah I like to have my fun but I wont "prey" on those types. There was a guy a few weeks ago that told me the story of his bout with cancer, I actually turned around and gave him some of the proceeds from my unsavory dealings so that I might bring a smile to his face.  And I believe my heart grew three sizes that day :)

Also I don't think some of you would feel these people were so helpless if you had seen some of the things they say to me. Its not all fun and games being an chick in mmo, I have heard some sick shit that would  make you wonder what the world is coming to :(

Originally posted by damond5031

I might add at this point, with all the talk of the disabled and such. I do not take advantage of anyone I know to be disabled or sick; yeah I like to have my fun but I wont "prey" on those types. There was a guy a few weeks ago that told me the story of his bout with cancer, I actually turned around and gave him some of the proceeds from my unsavory dealings so that I might bring a smile to his face.  And I believe my heart grew three sizes that day :)

Also I don't think some of you would feel these people were so helpless if you had seen some of the things they say to me. Its not all fun and games being an chick in mmo, I have heard some sick shit that would  make you wonder what the world is coming to :(

Random acts of kindness do not make up for wronging others. How do you know these guys are  not mentally deficient? Most guys don't  come out and say they are, I would not have known the state of the guy who tried to hang himself if is real brother hadn;t played the game with him and told me. From looking at online characters you cannot tell much about a person or their past. He did not like to talk about it because he wanted to know what it would feel like to be treated like everyone else.  What people consider to be "sick" when it comes to sex is purely a matter of taste.  If you were incinuating sex of course it will be discussed, because that is  natural between anyone in a relationship.

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Spooky1013

People being conned by common email and telephone scams oughta know better also lol... there's crap about it everywhere these days warning folks... not to mention the fact people should use their uncommon sense and know to hang up, find their official numbers and call the real companies and report the fact. Personal information especially and mainly credit cards, social security numbers, passwords and the like are already on file if they're needed at any agency and can be pulled up on a computer at the snap of a finger.  Agencies themselves tell people specifically not to give this out lol. I'm not advocating anything that truely cons people and causes loss and destroys lives but, this guy should not be compared to that in the least and once again people oughta know better. I'm always on guard and have avoided being scammed myself, and by the lowlives I've met in my life conned as well as having an obviously careful scrutiny of the women I allow myself to trust. As for the comments about the men not being able to help it, you'd think they could learn from their mistakes and even talk to female friends to learn and ask for help. It's not that difficult to gradually recondition one's self to avoid repeating mistakes if getting laid is that important to the men. It just takes reflection, consideration, consulting, forming new habits and experimentation.

The problem here is that these victims are usually not intelligent enough to defend themselves. we have many people with mental disabilities, elderly with dimished capacity, and  people that are too far into depression to pull themselves out in online games and in our society. The differnce here is that the people taking advantage of these people do know better, and are targeting these people because they think it is acceptable behavior in their own mind.  I cannot support or condone this behavior. As a society, we help those who need it, not  kick them when they are down.
 

It's the process of natural selection, besides in a growing population with greater lifespans more needs and diminishing resources these things are only going to become more common. Just like the rest of nature in our world's environment, there are Usually two positions, feeding or food, or in our cases Faker or Fool. I don't go around doing this online or off, and I'm honestly a nice person in the games since I don't allow myself to take it too seriously, but from a logical perspective this is just what happens.  There are fewer to NO consequences online, and I've found many deplorable traits magnified as well as much of my own admitted cynicism justified through the secrets people divulge and the things I observe in an online environment.

What doesn't kill us makes us stronger (if we choose to learn) and the strong feed upon the weak. It is from our evolutionary path to have the tendency to be selfish, it allowed us to survive long enough as a  species to develop our big brains. Most of our virtue is taught and imitated behavior from our parents, teachers, the media and society itself. It eventually guides the development of our minds  as our brains mature and we form the foundations of our perception of the world and the positions we see ourselves in it. Once we're made we're made, if some people have such a problem with human nature, start working on the next generation.

Some people even if they start out with a heart of gold have no choice in learning very quickly that the world can be a very cruel place, and does not discriminate. Adaptation is neccessary, and I understand this guy's perspective, and to be honest I think he's probably not a very bad guy in real life. His experiences lead him one way, yours another, you both are right in your own way based on your own experiences.. but he is definately right about people not being all sunshine and rainbows. And that some people are just plain stupid.

Originally posted by BarCrow

Originally posted by CaptainTroll

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by CaptainTroll

Damond did not force the people getting "conned" to give him money or gifts. The people who fall for these tricks are the ones who need help. They should not be playing games. But the developers don't care, all they are interested in is there money, and so is Damond. But the thing is the people who need help choose to play games to escape the big bad world rather than getting help. It is there fault if they get heart eitehr financially or emotionally.

The Troll

 

people pulling off scams via telephone email or door to door sales on elderly people did not force them to do it either, what he is doing is no different. Conning anyone is not acceptable no matter it's form, a  con is a con, and  should not be condoned in any form.

 

Come on little lady. The people getting conned should know better. They should know they are playing a game. They should know not everything is what it seems. If they are so gulliable to fall for such a stunt, they deserve to have their heart broken. They should learn from their mistake and be smarter the next time they meet someone in a game. They should do their best to find the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Besides, the people doing the scamming and door to door sales work need to feed their families as well. They have to find a way to making a living.

Do you think Bill Gates got to where he is at now ONLY through ethical practices? I don't think so.

Do you think Donald Trump got to where he is at now withouth using unethical practices? Nope.

What about Mark Zuckerberg, the president/founder of facebook? Do you think he was ethical in his rise to power. No my dear, he was not.

This is a dog eat dog world Devil. A dog eat dog world.

The Troll

Deviliscious has responded respectfully.  so "little lady" is a bit condescending. I've already stated my opinions on real life cons and rpg cons....but noone deserves to have a broken heart. Should they experience one?..absolutely..as painful as it may be..it is a learning experience. Scamming for a Living?....bullsh@t...no one needs to scam for a living. If anyone needs to resort to cons on a regular basis to feed there families...then they are not trying hard enough . As for Bill Gates...i'm sure he bent/broke some rules...and the guy he bought DOS from is not a multi billionaire...but I guarantee you he doesn't need to work for the rest of his life....bit off topic..sorry.

Like I said before all people are not born equal. People are not born on level playing fields. Some people are born into bad situations. Some make it out to become successful. The people born on a horrible playing field need to adapt to their situation, they need to adjust to their enviroment so they can survive. If they have to scam or trick people into getting what they want, than so be it, that is what they have to do. You do not walk in their shoes, you do not wear their clothes. 

I admit it may be wrong, but in a world where everything is not equal, he or she must do what she or he as to do to survive. Believe me they are trying. They are doing their best with what they have. They are trying their best to be as creative as possible to make a profit. Do you think CEO's of major corporations care about the well being of their customers. I don't think so. All they care about is making a profit. If they die, so be it, if they are sick, hell they don't care. All they want is their dollars and their bills.

Why hasn't WoW created a support group for people who are not intelligent enough to get conned? It is because they don't care. They want their money, they want their bills. If there is such a support group, please by all means, show me the proof. I

A good way to look at America in terms of survival is the game of Poker. Sadly we've got to step on people to get ahead. 

The Troll 

Originally posted by Spooky1013

It's the process of natural selection, besides in a growing population with greater lifespans more needs and diminishing resources these things are only going to become more common. Just like the rest of nature in our world's environment, there are Usually two positions, feeding or food, or in our cases Faker or Fool. I don't go around doing this online or off, and I'm honestly a nice person in the games since I don't allow myself to take it too seriously, but from a logical perspective this is just what happens.  There are fewer to NO consequences online, and I've found many deplorable traits magnified as well as much of my own admitted cynicism justified through the secrets people divulge and the things I observe in an online environment.

What doesn't kill us makes us stronger (if we choose to learn) and the strong feed upon the weak. It is from our evolutionary path to have the tendency to be selfish, it allowed us to survive long enough as a  species to develop our big brains. Most of our virtue is taught and imitated behavior from our parents, teachers, the media and society itself. It eventually guides the development of our minds  as our brains mature and we form the foundations of our perception of the world and the positions we see ourselves in it. Once we're made we're made, if some people have such a problem with human nature, start working on the next generation.

Some people even if they start out with a heart of gold have no choice in learning very quickly that the world can be a very cruel place, and does not discriminate. Adaptation is neccessary, and I understand this guy's perspective, and to be honest I think he's probably not a very bad guy in real life. His experiences lead him one way, yours another, you both are right in your own way based on your own experiences.. but he is definately right about people not being all sunshine and rainbows. And that some people are just plain stupid.

 

What a beastly way to think! Despite  how much I appreciate beastliness in certain aspects of life, There is a time and place for everything. As humans we look after our young, we protect our injured, we help each other when we are down, this is what seperates us from most other animals.  Yes natural selection is only the strongest survives, but we as human beings have been able to overcome our primative natures and treat each other with decency.
 

I wouldn't call it unethical...just sorta gay...

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by damond5031

I might add at this point, with all the talk of the disabled and such. I do not take advantage of anyone I know to be disabled or sick; yeah I like to have my fun but I wont "prey" on those types. There was a guy a few weeks ago that told me the story of his bout with cancer, I actually turned around and gave him some of the proceeds from my unsavory dealings so that I might bring a smile to his face.  And I believe my heart grew three sizes that day :)

Also I don't think some of you would feel these people were so helpless if you had seen some of the things they say to me. Its not all fun and games being an chick in mmo, I have heard some sick shit that would  make you wonder what the world is coming to :(

 

Random acts of kindness do not make up for wronging others. How do you know these guys are  not mentally deficient? Most guys don't  come out and say they are, I would not have known the state of the guy who tried to hang himself if is real brother hadn;t played the game with him and told me. From looking at online characters you cannot tell much about a person or their past. He did not like to talk about it because he wanted to know what it would feel like to be treated like everyone else.  What people consider to be "sick" when it comes to sex is purely a matter of taste.  If you were incinuating sex of course it will be discussed, because that is  natural between anyone in a relationship.

Funny thing is..there is a real possibility the cancer victim you gave loot to was giving you a taste of your own medicine. 2nd Month i played WOW i had a toon tell me the same thing...gave him some gold...He/She yelled "Stupid Noob LOL" and hauled ass. Sure I was pissed..then I laughed and chalked it up to experience. Didn't keep me from handing gold out or giving a low level some loot from time to time. I just have a better screening process now. Now i know some people may ...due to mental/physical/emotional impairment..be unable to make such a  judgement . I know in reality, a con could care less. ..but rpg Cons should be able to screen well enough to tell the impaired from the desperate and depraved....and should never take anyone for tangible goods...thats just bullsh@T... If you're going to con someone out of real cash prizes..then at least have the balls to it in the real world where consequences are more immediate.

Originally posted by BarCrow

 

Funny thing is..there is a real possibility the cancer victim you gave loot to was giving you a taste of your own medicine. 2nd Month i played WOW i had a toon tell me the same thing...gave him some gold...He/She yelled "Stupid Noob LOL" and hauled ass.

I agree, his "genderbending" is only one outlet for these cons, I do think that the guy pretending to have an ilness is just as bad as the guy pretending to be a girl at the expense of others.

Sure I was pissed..then I laughed and chalked it up to experience. Didn't keep me from handing gold out or giving a low level some loot from time to time. I just have a better screening process now. Now i know some people may ...due to mental/physical/emotional impairment..be unable to make such a  judgement .

I know in reality, a con could care less. ..but rpg Cons should be able to screen well enough to tell the impaired from the desperate and depraved....and should never take anyone for tangible goods...thats just bullsh@T... If you're going to con someone out of real cash prizes..then at least have the balls to it in the real world where consequences are more immediate.

I also agree that it is no different than doing it in the real world, at least in the real world you have to sit there and take your consequences, your humilation, and  face what you have done, rather than have the cheap "  delete player/ ignore list/ log out" and they may randomly  run into you later, but still you can just log out to avoid them.  That is such a spineless thing to do.

I think a few people here could benefit from reading some Darwin or Gould. Some of your ideas regarding evolution are so far off, you can't ever have read either much less paid attention in science class.

Evolution is survival of the FITTEST. That means the fittest to survive in an environment. It has ZERO to do with physical strength or whether you are a feeder or food. Mostly because almost ALL life forms on this planet are BOTH feeder and food.

Being large strong feeders didn't help the dinosaurs much, eh? Yet other smaller creatures from that era survived.

That said, people who believe that preying on the weak is some evolutionary characteristic that helped man survive are 100% out to lunch. Flat out WRONG -- it's just that simple.

To promote the mindset that cons and scams are harmless is somewhat incredible to me.

Sorry, folks like that are what is wrong with the world today. When we choose to knock down the weak instead of giving them a helping hand up we are all lessened as human beings.

And I happen to be a heartless conservative to boot.

Originally posted by deviliscious

 Yes natural selection is only the strongest survives, but we as human beings have been able to overcome our primative natures and treat each other with decency.
 

   Natural selection is the best suited survives, not the best or strongest really. If someone is 7 foot built like an Ox and as smart as Einstein it wouldn't matter if they were too passive to respond to danger with more than hope for goodness in people and a change of a mugger's heart.

   I did not see your post earlier about the guy who had the accident by the way, that is a very shitty thing to do to someone and one of the main reasons I don't do that myself in these games. Besides it being gross acting like that, I wouldn't wanna be the cause of someone like that or some hormone-crazed kid killing themselves over game loot. That's as retarded as the pervs badgering chicks in these games.

   I do have to say that I have seen a Lot of hypocrisy in my life, and from the people that some would expect it from the least. In a way, most of us has done something to someone, or not practiced what we preach, I suppose that's a way some of the real life cons reason it. Even though the con isn't the person that was wronged, it may seem deserved to some, or justified. My own twist on the golden rule is "Do unto others as they would do unto you" That means if I take someone for a good person, I treat them well but if I know with good reason they're a prick or corrupt I don't mind avoiding them or going for a preemptive.

Originally posted by CaptainTroll

Originally posted by BarCrow

Originally posted by CaptainTroll

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by CaptainTroll

Damond did not force the people getting "conned" to give him money or gifts. The people who fall for these tricks are the ones who need help. They should not be playing games. But the developers don't care, all they are interested in is there money, and so is Damond. But the thing is the people who need help choose to play games to escape the big bad world rather than getting help. It is there fault if they get heart eitehr financially or emotionally.

The Troll

 

people pulling off scams via telephone email or door to door sales on elderly people did not force them to do it either, what he is doing is no different. Conning anyone is not acceptable no matter it's form, a  con is a con, and  should not be condoned in any form.

 

Come on little lady. The people getting conned should know better. They should know they are playing a game. They should know not everything is what it seems. If they are so gulliable to fall for such a stunt, they deserve to have their heart broken. They should learn from their mistake and be smarter the next time they meet someone in a game. They should do their best to find the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Besides, the people doing the scamming and door to door sales work need to feed their families as well. They have to find a way to making a living.

Do you think Bill Gates got to where he is at now ONLY through ethical practices? I don't think so.

Do you think Donald Trump got to where he is at now withouth using unethical practices? Nope.

What about Mark Zuckerberg, the president/founder of facebook? Do you think he was ethical in his rise to power. No my dear, he was not.

This is a dog eat dog world Devil. A dog eat dog world.

The Troll

Deviliscious has responded respectfully.  so "little lady" is a bit condescending. I've already stated my opinions on real life cons and rpg cons....but noone deserves to have a broken heart. Should they experience one?..absolutely..as painful as it may be..it is a learning experience. Scamming for a Living?....bullsh@t...no one needs to scam for a living. If anyone needs to resort to cons on a regular basis to feed there families...then they are not trying hard enough . As for Bill Gates...i'm sure he bent/broke some rules...and the guy he bought DOS from is not a multi billionaire...but I guarantee you he doesn't need to work for the rest of his life....bit off topic..sorry.

 

Like I said before all people are not born equal. People are not born on level playing fields. Some people are born into bad situations. Some make it out to become successful. The people born on a horrible playing field need to adapt to their situation, they need to adjust to their enviroment so they can survive. If they have to scam or trick people into getting what they want, than so be it, that is what they have to do. You do not walk in their shoes, you do not wear their clothes. 

I admit it may be wrong, but in a world where everything is not equal, he or she must do what she or he as to do to survive. Believe me they are trying. They are doing their best with what they have. They are trying their best to be as creative as possible to make a profit. Do you think CEO's of major corporations care about the well being of their customers. I don't think so. All they care about is making a profit. If they die, so be it, if they are sick, hell they don't care. All they want is their dollars and their bills.

Why hasn't WoW created a support group for people who are not intelligent enough to get conned? It is because they don't care. They want their money, they want their bills. If there is such a support group, please by all means, show me the proof. I

A good way to look at America in terms of survival is the game of Poker. Sadly we've got to step on people to get ahead. 

The Troll 

Scamming is not necessary to live. No matter what level playing field one finds themselves. At the least one may play the odd scam to get ahead...then straighten life's needs accordingly. The problem is...those with a con mentality...rarely do this. They con...burn thru cash like a rap star..then continue this cycle in order to live outside their means...feeding on and depleting person after persons'  funds like a virus. Do not presume to know what shoes i walk in..and what clothes i wear.  But because of what I personally believe..I could neither maintain being  a small time con nor a CEO... i'm  not capable of perpetual deceit. ..am i an angel...sh#t no....ah..nevermind...i'm just ranting now.

Originally posted by Spooky1013

Originally posted by deviliscious

 Yes natural selection is only the strongest survives, but we as human beings have been able to overcome our primative natures and treat each other with decency.
 

 

   Natural selection is the best suited survives, not the best or strongest really. If someone is 7 foot built like an Ox and as smart as Einstein it wouldn't matter if they were too passive to respond to danger with more than hope for goodness in people and a change of a mugger's heart.

LOL, I was referring to the well known phrase,  that does not mean that you have to be the physically strongest , you could have the strongest mind, strongest will, and strongest immune system as well =).

   I did not see your post earlier about the guy who had the accident by the way, that is a very shitty thing to do to someone and one of the main reasons I don't do that myself in these games. Besides it being gross acting like that, I wouldn't wanna be the cause of someone like that or some hormone-crazed kid killing themselves over game loot. That's as retarded as the pervs badgering chicks in these games.

Believe me I have had my share of badgering in these games being a real girl, I am not going to feel sorry for a guy out wronging people and then asking for sympathy about what guys say to him while he does this.  It is not hard to deflect unwated attention when it is thrown at you, the difference between most of the real girls playing and these guys pretending to be girls is we have dealt with this our entire lives, in school, in bars, hell in the grocery stores. We know how to handle ourselves and do not ask for sympathy for being a girl. No I am not saying that what we receive is acceptable, just as being  born this way, we are taught how to handle ourselves.

   I do have to say that I have seen a Lot of hypocrisy in my life, and from the people that some would expect it from the least. In a way, most of us has done something to someone, or not practiced what we preach, I suppose that's a way some of the real life cons reason it. Even though the con isn't the person that was wronged, it may seem deserved to some, or justified. My own twist on the golden rule is "Do unto others as they would do unto you" That means if I take someone for a good person, I treat them well but if I know with good reason they're a prick or corrupt I don't mind avoiding them or going for a preemptive.

 I agree,  part of living is learning from our mistakes,  I try to treat people as I would like to be treated, or at least treat them fairly. But I for one am not going to just sit back and watch while someone hurts someone or wrongs someone.. I will let them know how I feel about it and do everything in my power to put a stop to it.

Originally posted by Scrogdog

When we choose to knock down the weak instead of giving them a helping hand up we are all lessened as human beings.

 

 

   Eventually if we all did begin acting on that philosophy, the world would be in shambles and nearly everyone alive at some point would suffer. The world population will always continue to grow and most countries will never accept a cap on births, especially here where it's needed with the lowlife and neglectful population.

Eventually with expansion to give a large enough population living space and facilities for daily living and recreation, there would continue to be less land to grow and raise food along with less resources left to mine or drill as the needs of assisted third-world countries becoming industrial will take away from those already civilized and proving deserving of being advanced nations.

At some point, our descendants  will die of starvation and violent competition. And likely poor living conditions because I'm certain enough it'll not be profitable to stop using controllable, marketable natural resources by then. No power, no cities, no good medical care, no technology to improve and grow crops and raise cattle faster although people would whine it's unethical at the same time of complaining about starvation most likely.

 I'm not a jerk, but it's not logical to assume our knowledge and capabilities will increase at a high enough pace to keep up with a growing population and dwindling resources. Some things that happen in the world help to maintain the balance of human culture. And you can be certain there are many people running governments in the modern, civilized nations who must see things that way. I hope so for the sake of the future in general. Little less heart and a few more results would ultimately go much farther. The road to Hell was paved on good intentions

Originally posted by Spooky1013

Originally posted by Scrogdog

When we choose to knock down the weak instead of giving them a helping hand up we are all lessened as human beings.

 

 

 

   Eventually if we all did begin acting on that philosophy, the world would be in shambles and nearly everyone alive at some point would suffer. The world population will always continue to grow and most countries will never accept a cap on births, especially here where it's needed with the lowlife and neglectful population.

Eventually with expansion to give a large enough population living space and facilities for daily living and recreation, there would continue to be less land to grow and raise food along with less resources left to mine or drill as the needs of assisted third-world countries becoming industrial will take away from those already civilized and proving deserving of being advanced nations.

At some point, our descendants  will die of starvation and violent competition. And likely poor living conditions because I'm certain enough it'll not be profitable to stop using controllable, marketable natural resources by then. No power, no cities, no good medical care, no technology to improve and grow crops and raise cattle faster although people would whine it's unethical at the same time of complaining about starvation most likely.

 I'm not a jerk, but it's not logical to assume our knowledge and capabilities will increase at a high enough pace to keep up with a growing population and dwindling resources. Some things that happen in the world help to maintain the balance of human culture. And you can be certain there are many people running governments in the modern, civilized nations who must see things that way. I hope so for the sake of the future in general. Little less heart and a few more results would ultimately go much farther. The road to Hell was paved on good intentions

I have to disagree.

Do you have any idea how many times the world has been predicted to end in my life time? I'm 50 years old, BTW. :)

The problem with your model is the same problem with ALL models that attempt to predict the future, be it famine or global warming or what have you. The problem is that all models do is to carry the present in to the future. I can't think of a single instance where this proved to be a useful endeavor.

In 1960, a *scientist* by the name of Paul Erlich said, "The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s the world will undergo famines - hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death". Did it happen? Nope. Why? Because technology that he had no hope of predicting outpaced his model.

In 1990, climate modelers estimated a world population of 11 billion by 2100. Today many scientists believe that the number will be closer to 7 billion.

Now, lets look at this in reverse. If people 100 years ago were to worry about where we'd be today, what do you think they'd worry about? Probably, where would the world get enough horses? And what would be done with all of the dung? :)

Horse pollution was a serious problem in 1900. But, what was logic THEN is not the logic of today, right?

In my opinion, such predictions based on flawed models are a complete waste of time. You are welcome to your opinion, of course, but the history of like events and predictions are not in your side in this matter. Far from it, in fact.

Originally posted by Scrogdog

Originally posted by Spooky1013

Originally posted by Scrogdog

When we choose to knock down the weak instead of giving them a helping hand up we are all lessened as human beings.

 

 

 

   Eventually if we all did begin acting on that philosophy, the world would be in shambles and nearly everyone alive at some point would suffer. The world population will always continue to grow and most countries will never accept a cap on births, especially here where it's needed with the lowlife and neglectful population.

Eventually with expansion to give a large enough population living space and facilities for daily living and recreation, there would continue to be less land to grow and raise food along with less resources left to mine or drill as the needs of assisted third-world countries becoming industrial will take away from those already civilized and proving deserving of being advanced nations.

At some point, our descendants  will die of starvation and violent competition. And likely poor living conditions because I'm certain enough it'll not be profitable to stop using controllable, marketable natural resources by then. No power, no cities, no good medical care, no technology to improve and grow crops and raise cattle faster although people would whine it's unethical at the same time of complaining about starvation most likely.

 I'm not a jerk, but it's not logical to assume our knowledge and capabilities will increase at a high enough pace to keep up with a growing population and dwindling resources. Some things that happen in the world help to maintain the balance of human culture. And you can be certain there are many people running governments in the modern, civilized nations who must see things that way. I hope so for the sake of the future in general. Little less heart and a few more results would ultimately go much farther. The road to Hell was paved on good intentions

 

I have to disagree.

Do you have any idea how many times the world has been predicted to end in my life time? I'm 50 years old, BTW. :)

The problem with your model is the same problem with ALL models that attempt to predict the future, be it famine or global warming or what have you. The problem is that all models do is to carry the present in to the future. I can't think of a single instance where this proved to be a useful endeavor.

In 1960, a *scientist* by the name of Paul Erlich said, "The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s the world will undergo famines - hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death". Did it happen? Nope. Why? Because technology that he had no hope of predicting outpaced his model.

In 1990, climate modelers estimated a world population of 11 billion by 2100. Today many scientists believe that the number will be closer to 7 billion.

Now, lets look at this in reverse. If people 100 years ago were to worry about where we'd be today, what do you think they'd worry about? Probably, where would the world get enough horses? And what would be done with all of the dung? :)

Horse pollution was a serious problem in 1900. But, what was logic THEN is not the logic of today, right?

In my opinion, such predictions based on flawed models are a complete waste of time. You are welcome to your opinion, of course, but the history of like events and predictions are not in your side in this matter. Far from it, in fact.

Excellent reply... I , for one, will still wonder if there will ever be enough horses.  Kind of wish they would have maintained as the predominant mode of transportation. Fuel prices are killing me.