I have no education ( no degree )  started on cleaning jobs, worked in a few shop, played whit my pc.

now im a store manager in controll of 15 souls, took me four years.

I wonder were the old median and UO devs got there exp from when they started to  make those games.
 

point is : do not judge on halfbaked internet info .  everyone can do anyting, just takes time, passion and fate in your own dream.

this discussion is totaly useless. have fate or dont have it.. dont mather to anyone but yourself

Originally posted by Eladi

I have no education ( no degree )  started on cleaning jobs, worked in a few shop, played whit my pc.

now im a store manager in controll of 15 souls, took me four years.

 

I wonder were the old median and UO devs got there exp from when they started to  make those games.
 

 

point is : do not judge on halfbaked internet info .  everyone can do anyting, just takes time, passion and fate in your own dream.

 

this discussion is totaly useless. have fate or dont have it.. dont mather to anyone but yourself

Spoken like a true believer and a certified anachronism, I salute you!, fortunately for some of us the Dark ages ended with something called the enlightenment a few hundred years ago.

Now many of us actually require substantial empirical evidence especially after 8 years before we start believing, and no longer reside exclusively in the false comfort of faith, hope, and fantasy, nor do we see any rational justification for them at this stage.

Now if you will excuse me, after taking your excellent advice, I have decided to embark on developing Darkfall 2, which will eventually definitely be successfully released, and will be at least twice as good, because of course, its irrelevant that myself or anyone else who may be involved has no or little prior relevant experience, because anyone can do anything, its just takes time (hopefully not over 8 years though) and ample passion and faith in a dream, which is all I need to succeed, and because I have faith and passion any attempt to dissuade me or debate about my chances of success will be totally useless, and any of the details or fundamental facts concerning my project are of course irrelevant, simply because I have faith and passion and because I consider I am predetermined by fate to succeed.

I suggest you drop Darkfall 2 and develop cold fusion or a perpetual movement machine, it will end up being far more useful. Or do all of them, maybe a simultaneous release? It only depends on your time, passion and faith after all.

Jest aside, Polarization,  I think you may be writing it off a bit too hastily given the circumstances. This is the final stretch, for better or for worse. In the next few months we will definitely be seeing either how miraculous Aventurine is, or how full of lies they are. Schrodinger's DF is going to get "observed" soon, so if you've been around for years, what's a couple of months more? Better to make sure the zombie is dead before you walk away.

Silvarch I do appreciate I have a tendency to waffle on a bit, but I do believe one of the recent things I have said was:

In the latest update Tasos said:

"As far as publishing activities go, we're working on the servers, customer and technical support, billing, and distribution solutions along with our partners."

These “partners” could possibly include these 2 Greek company’s mentioned as attending the recent second Greek gaming conference where Aventurine also made a presentation of Darkfall, in this article:

http://www.coder.gr/article.php?story=20080628232139297

"The meeting was attended by representatives of the newspaper
Eleftheros Typos, the magazine PC Master and distribution companies
Centric Multimedia and Beacon."

Centric Multimedia http://www.centric.gr/ca/index.aspx

Beacon Multimedia http://www.beacon.gr/

Of course until an official announcement is made this is purely speculation on my part, but we do know that Aventurine has at least publicly presented Darkfall to representatives from both these company’s.

Found some more information about the illusive Executive producer, part owner / investor of Aventurine and 50% shareholder in and chairman of the board of Razorwax.

He’s on the excutive board who recently in Moscow elected the vice chairman for the european confederation of Modern Pentathlon for 2009-2012.

http://www.atleticom.it/atlnew/news.asp?i=60951&s=6

He also was from 2000- 2004 or probebly still currently is the president of the Hellenic Federation of Modern Pentathlon.

http://www.eomop.gr/Pent_web_english/federation.htm

nice

Interesting,  really hope he had no hand in organizing the Olympics when they were in Greece.  Otherwise this could become very interesting.

Spiros Iordanis variously listed as responsible for “business management” and vice president and/or part owner of Aventurine, and a board member for Razorwax.

Appears to be a “super” bike owner and enthusiast, an obvious connection with Jade El Madawi’s involvement and sponsorship of Ismini Fabiatou for the 2005 - Rover MG Cup.

http://www.motomag.gr/index.php?option=com_fireboard&func=userlist&Itemid=137&orderby=registerDate&direction=ASC&limit=30&limitstart=120

Look at his nickname “kjetilmob”, almost certainly him.

George Ballas listed as Aventurine’s “office manager” in 2005 might be this person.

http://www.martindale.com/George-A-Ballas/1214682-lawyer.htm

a senior partner in this Greek law firm with offices in Athens. 

Patent & Trade Mark Attorneys

http://www.martindale.com/Ballas-Pelecanos-Associates/1214679-law-firm-office.htm

Perhaps they were just padding out their employee’s list for the 2005 article and listed their lawyer, or perhaps he does or did have a more substantial involvement with Aventurine.

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Agree 100% shame the OP is on a ego trip Hillarious. I'd comment on the thread but there is nothing to discuss.

Originally posted by Isane

 

Agree 100% shame the OP is on a ego trip Hillarious. I'd comment on the thread but there is nothing to discuss.

The only person who is demonstrating they are on an ego trip is you, expecting people to take your personal assurances as absolute certainty’s based only on your words and faith, but with no virtually no substantiation whatsoever, just like Tasos.

This is just information and facts with my personal interpretation of what they mean, the fact that you cant see that shows who’s really letting their ego affect their ability to be rational and objective.

And at the same time of course you yourself are hypocritically egotistically declaring this thread contains nothing worthy of your discussion, But I suppose the irony of that is lost on you.

Perhaps if you actually read the information and facts instead of dismissing them you might be able to come up with some stronger arguments other then the usual and rather pathetic attempts of character assassination and outright denial.

But then again perhaps you have comprehended them, yet cant come up with anything else more substantial.

And not to mention you hypocritically declaring this body of evidence is not worthy of responding to, yet of course doing so anyway!.

The fact is you personally know a lot of this information is potentially very troubling, that is if your not totally irrational of course, you just don’t want accept it publicly, because it makes you realize the trust and dedication you have committed to this game and the people behind it over the years has been demonstrated to be probably very misguided and unwarranted.

So your just sticking your fingers in your ears and singing LA LA LA LA whilst calling me names, which is fine, if that’s how you or anyone else who still shares your conviction wants to present themselves.

Oh and by the way before you start accusing anyone of “shame”, “ego“ “hilarity” or their being “nothing to discuss” lets wait to see what actually happens by the end of the year.

If this game successfully launches this year with the majority of its proposed features, as the developers have officially committed themselves to doing, I will happily be making a public apology to anyone who cares shortly before commencing to play it, the questions is will you or any of the other ardent supporters be doing the same if it doesn’t?, I very much doubt it myself.

Originally posted by Polarization

Originally posted by Isane

 

Agree 100% shame the OP is on a ego trip Hillarious. I'd comment on the thread but there is nothing to discuss.

The only person who is demonstrating they are on an ego trip is you, expecting people to take your personal assurances as absolute certainty’s based only on your words and faith, but with no virtually no substantiation whatsoever, just like Tasos.

This is just information and facts with my personal interpretation of what they mean, the fact that you cant see that shows who’s really letting their ego affect their ability to be rational and objective.

And at the same time of course you yourself are hypocritically egotistically declaring this thread contains nothing worthy of your discussion, But I suppose the irony of that is lost on you.

Perhaps if you actually read the information and facts instead of dismissing them you might be able to come up with some stronger arguments other then the usual and rather pathetic attempts of character assassination and outright denial.

But then again perhaps you have comprehended them, yet cant come up with anything else more substantial.

And not to mention you hypocritically declaring this body of evidence is not worthy of responding to, yet of course doing so anyway!.

The fact is you personally know a lot of this information is potentially very troubling, that is if your not totally irrational of course, you just don’t want accept it publicly, because it makes you realize the trust and dedication you have committed to this game and the people behind it over the years has been demonstrated to be probably very misguided and unwarranted.

So your just sticking your fingers in your ears and singing LA LA LA LA whilst calling me names, which is fine, if that’s how you or anyone else who still shares your conviction wants to present themselves.

Oh and by the way before you start accusing anyone of “shame”, “ego“ “hilarity” or their being “nothing to discuss” lets wait to see what actually happens by the end of the year.

If this game successfully launches this year with the majority of its proposed features, as the developers have officially committed themselves to doing, I will happily be making a public apology to anyone who cares shortly before commencing to play it, the questions is will you or any of the other ardent supporters be doing the same if it doesn’t?, I very much doubt it myself.

 

thats about what your doing pol

Originally posted by Isane

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Agree 100% shame the OP is on a ego trip Hillarious. I'd comment on the thread but there is nothing to discuss.

Ego trip?  Is posting information now the act of an egomaniac?  Is there nothing to discuss because the sources are unbiased?  Where exactly did the OP say the game was fabricated? 

You guys are building a strawman and beating it up.  Really, I am so impressed.  But your comments have nothing to do with the OP or the information he posted, they are all related to the strawman you created.

Talk about sad...might want to check the mirror.

Originally posted by Xxeon

thats about what your doing pol

He presented facts from third-party sources.  You can come to your own conclusions.  When Polar did give his interpretation, he made it clear that is was his interpretation.  What more could you want?

wasnt really talking about that....

Originally posted by Xxeon

wasnt really talking about that....

Xxeon, I’m afraid most of us don’t really know what your talking about most of the time anyway.

I already said i will : )

Originally posted by Polarization

Originally posted by Isane

 

Agree 100% shame the OP is on a ego trip Hillarious. I'd comment on the thread but there is nothing to discuss.

The only person who is demonstrating they are on an ego trip is you, expecting people to take your personal assurances as absolute certainty’s based only on your words and faith, but with no virtually no substantiation whatsoever, just like Tasos.

This is just information and facts with my personal interpretation of what they mean, the fact that you cant see that shows who’s really letting their ego affect their ability to be rational and objective.

And at the same time of course you yourself are hypocritically egotistically declaring this thread contains nothing worthy of your discussion, But I suppose the irony of that is lost on you.

Perhaps if you actually read the information and facts instead of dismissing them you might be able to come up with some stronger arguments other then the usual and rather pathetic attempts of character assassination and outright denial.

But then again perhaps you have comprehended them, yet cant come up with anything else more substantial.

And not to mention you hypocritically declaring this body of evidence is not worthy of responding to, yet of course doing so anyway!.

The fact is you personally know a lot of this information is potentially very troubling, that is if your not totally irrational of course, you just don’t want accept it publicly, because it makes you realize the trust and dedication you have committed to this game and the people behind it over the years has been demonstrated to be probably very misguided and unwarranted.

So your just sticking your fingers in your ears and singing LA LA LA LA whilst calling me names, which is fine, if that’s how you or anyone else who still shares your conviction wants to present themselves.

Oh and by the way before you start accusing anyone of “shame”, “ego“ “hilarity” or their being “nothing to discuss” lets wait to see what actually happens by the end of the year.

If this game successfully launches this year with the majority of its proposed features, as the developers have officially committed themselves to doing, I will happily be making a public apology to anyone who cares shortly before commencing to play it, the questions is will you or any of the other ardent supporters be doing the same if it doesn’t?, I very much doubt it myself.

 

 I just think the poster above was trying to say there was nothing to discuss, peoples CVs from unofficial sources. I look at the initial thread whats the point of it.

Are you trying to prove some dark conspiracy or theory ? Is this just a post count excercise ? I wouldn't say this thread is funny though just empty you seem a little bitter with respect to DF. I used to doubt DF but when people go to the extent you seem to to pick at DF my gut feeling says it must exist.

To put so much effort into doubting something you don't appear to believe in seems twisted.

Originally posted by Astralian

 I just think the poster above was trying to say there was nothing to discuss, peoples CVs from unofficial sources. I look at the initial thread whats the point of it.

What you really mean is there’s nothing really positive to discuss about the facts and information presented, and I agree, so because your only interested or capable of talking positively about this project then you obviously have nothing to discuss.

The developers CV’s from LinkedIn are only a small proportion of the information presented in this thread, but of course one would have to read past the first page or not be in denial to appreciate that.

These “unofficial” CV’s were changed after I posted them here, and they are almost certainly legitimate because of all the circumstantial and correlative facts, your attempt to question them by casting dispersions about their authenticity is just another attempt to discredit 3^rd party information that does not reflect positively on this project.

The only reason why you or any of the other supporters declare this thread is pointless, irrelevant or empty is because most of the 3^rd party facts and information presented can not rationally be interpreted positively, so you are forced to resort to the usual and utterly predictable name calling, straw man arguments, semantics, denial and attempts at character assassination etc.

Are you trying to prove some dark conspiracy or theory ?

Nope, just presenting 3^rd party information and facts with my own personal opinion on what they mean, who knows what they really mean but we will get a very good idea if my interpretation of these facts are correct by the end of the year, so no need for conspiracy theories.

Is this just a post count excercise ?

What?, Alt/1 week old supporter account 2345 are you seriously accusing me of a post count exercise, how desperate and ludicrous can you get.

I wouldn't say this thread is funny though just empty you seem a little bitter with respect to DF.

The only people who have demonstrated they are bitter in my opinion are the supporters of this project who have felt compelled to personally attack and attempt to discredit me for posting information and facts they obviously find disquieting.

Again to declare this thread is empty is a very desperate attempt to deny this thread probably has at least 10 times more verifiable and new 3^rd party facts and information then any other Darkfall thread, of course if you disagree then please provide a link to a similar body of 3^rd party evidence, your failure to do so will demonstrate a tacit admission of this.

 

Anyone declaring this this thread is empty is a ridiculous statement to anyone who’s objectively comprehended the numerous and substantial information and facts presented and would only be said by someone who has an agenda to promote and discredit anything not positive about this project or by someone who’s in denial or simply someone who’s not read past the first page.

I used to doubt DF but when people go to the extent you seem to to pick at DF my gut feeling says it must exist.

So gut feeling’s and logical fallacy’s are all you have to support your opinion, forgive me if I don’t personally find that very persuasive, in fact I find it rather amusing if that’s all you have.

To put so much effort into doubting something you don't appear to believe in seems twisted.

And to put so much effort into believing something you don’t appear to be able justify belief in seems twisted to me.

This is not about belief, faith or trust for me, its about cold hard facts, I have presented them here, belief is not a requirement to objectively interpret them, in fact as you have demonstrated it makes that impossible.

We will see if your or any of the other supporters faith and belief in contradiction to this evidence is justified over the next 5 months, of course I very much doubt you actually will be around then If I am proven correct.