I think wintergrasp will be a big epic fail because..

- when everyone gets to 80 will they ever use it? No because they will be doing the big dungeons like Arthas.

- you probally see only like 15 or 16 alli or horde fighting in that area because there bored as shit and got nuthin else to do.

- everyone going be grinding to get to 80 so no time for wintergrasp.

-and people will always be in dalaran and will do pvp BG for there season gear .. because wintergrasp you never earn season gear from it...

More Rep,More Faction,more dungeons,more dailies,another gearfest. I am not buying this expansion because I fear its just more of the same,and I am tired of more of the same. EQ2 is 10 times the game that warcraft is now,Hell SWG is better than wow right now.

the people who think Blizzard is not taking a Notic about WaR and are not scared to loose subs are kidding themselves......

all MMO companies look at all other MMOs as a base to make their game......ALL Companies

So LOTRO and CoX had title systems   didn't see WoW put them in when lotro launched and didn't think they were important when they looked at CoX...

but now WAR has them..its not based on the "who is copying who" is based on NOW Blizzard finds titles important enough to add to their game..

WoW will not die with War.........it's north american sub base will take a hit and it will loose tons of subs in Europe......

it will keep its 5 million asian players....

War is comming and Blizzard will feel it........

I dont see what Blizzard are adding to WOW with this update, they need to add it to the fundamentals of the game not an area.

I think this can be answered quite easily, a game where PvP is based on character level rather than player skill / character skill is always going to fail. It does not matter what Blizzard add, WOW is a tried and copied gameplay from the last generation of MMOs. Thankfully these will die soon.

Can anyone really say that combat is good in WoW and EQand all the other clones like vanguard? No. The future is in FPSMMOs and I will be so glad when a proper one comes out (DarkFall). PlanetSide was the first and has been the real only one for so so long. Roma Victor is a nother good attempt but you need patients to get into it.

There have been two hybrids - Age of Conan and Tabla Rasa. Both now FPS but a hybrid that work OK but not really enough player involved. WAR is just a joke and I can not believe people will accept another EQ clone. Seems they do though ...

PvP is the main reason for an MMO when you think of it. Why PvE when there a other players? OK PvE together, that is something different. It adds such a human dimention to things, ie a real person not just thier level or skill.

There is no major game out there apart from Roma Victor (not money unless you read the shite, I have never done so) and in beta DarkFall and perhaps EarthFall that offer this.

This new offering from Blizzard is shite, as the basic game is shite in my opinion. Stop levels, make it player based not time and loot based.

...Warhammer?!... is that you?

oh yeah and another thing...

If they put PvE objectives in a PvP zone i promise there  will be mucho whining

warhammer will kill wow in NA and Europe subs but when you look at Asia.. it's never.. wow is huge over there..

warhammer will have all the Europe and NA, but if they release the game in the middle east , it will be big..

because games workshop is a big company.. everyone knows what it is...  there powerful like blizzard.. when warhammer online release they know that.. it's warhammer!! time for the WAAAAAGH!!!

because warhammer is basically sold everywere then how wow is sold in the big country's.

you see warhammer in the middle east, russia, Asia, South America, NA, Europe, and bit's of Africa

wow just .. Russia, Asia, NA, Europe

but all those gold farmers, kids, pve, Asians can stick to there wow

but it's time for change warhammer will bring that change to the table!!

warhammer online is like the obama.. and wow is the mcaine ... ones old, ones new.... ones white, ones black..

who wants to see a black president than the same old white president...

but , we have to wait and see at release to judge warhammer online..

if warhammer is a fail.. wow will survive another year...

To be honest I really don't think Warhammer is going to deal as big as blow to WoW, especially here in the States, as some of us is hoping it will.

@ Dreawing : I hope you never post on this website ever again.

Originally posted by AlienShirt

To be honest I really don't think Warhammer is going to deal as big as blow to WoW, especially here in the States, as some of us is hoping it will.

I'm a huge WAR fan and have been in beta for well over a year and love every minute of it....

Originally posted by needalife214

the people who think Blizzard is not taking a Notic about WaR and are not scared to loose subs are kidding themselves......

Its the only decent competition in 4 years, ofc blizzard are watching but they aint goona make decisions about WoW based on WAR... not at this stage.

all MMO companies look at all other MMOs as a base to make their game......ALL Companies

 True true

So LOTRO and CoX had title systems   didn't see WoW put them in when lotro launched and didn't think they were important when they looked at CoX...

 WoW has had titles for a long long time, started with PvP titles like Knight and General and soon moved to PvE titles with faction/quest chain  based titles.  and that was 2-3 years ago.

but now WAR has them..its not based on the "who is copying who" is based on NOW Blizzard finds titles important enough to add to their game..

 see above, titles have been in game for a long time.. just now blizzard have improved apon it.

WoW will not die with War.........it's north american sub base will take a hit and it will loose tons of subs in Europe......

 But just as with another PVP game AoC a high percentage will come straight back, saying "what the hell was I thinking?"

it will keep its 5 million asian players....

 

War is comming and Blizzard will feel it........ But they wont care

Originally posted by Dreawing

warhammer will kill wow in NA and Europe subs but when you look at Asia.. it's never.. wow is huge over there..

warhammer will have all the Europe and NA, but if they release the game in the middle east , it will be big..

because games workshop is a big company.. everyone knows what it is...  there powerful like blizzard.. when warhammer online release they know that.. it's warhammer!! time for the WAAAAAGH!!!

because warhammer is basically sold everywere then how wow is sold in the big country's.

you see warhammer in the middle east, russia, Asia, South America, NA, Europe, and bit's of Africa

wow just .. Russia, Asia, NA, Europe

but all those gold farmers, kids, pve, Asians can stick to there wow

but it's time for change warhammer will bring that change to the table!!

warhammer online is like the obama.. and wow is the mcaine ... ones old, ones new.... ones white, ones black..

who wants to see a black president than the same old white president...

In a way I would love to see WAR take the lead, but if that happened.. which it wont...be prepared for WAR to be the next anti-christ.. WoW gets all kinds of flack from people for the simple fact its popular, people refuse to play it becuase its popular... but it is fun reading the idiotic comments TBH.
 

Originally posted by Guillermo197

If Blizzard know they failed misserably with the current World PVP zones, why don't they give them a revamp and make them viable again?

Or has WoW subscribers secretly plummeted and no new players coming to the game anymore and veteran players not bothering rolling alts either.

It's a shame really. As all the old zones were a masterpiece. And the current World PVP zones a complete waste.

Cheers

Well the mos prominent reason for not revamping the zones, is that they are in soon to be obsolete areas. Around 75% of player activity will most probably take place in Northrend, so why spend time and money revamping zones only a small minority of players actively play in.

Bottom line the new lake wintergrasp is untested.. it does not go live in beta for a another week or two, now as Blizzard unlike every other compnay has no NDA in the Beta (Bless you blizzard) we'll soon get all the info we need.

Originally posted by Hrothmund

Originally posted by Guillermo197

If Blizzard know they failed misserably with the current World PVP zones, why don't they give them a revamp and make them viable again?

Or has WoW subscribers secretly plummeted and no new players coming to the game anymore and veteran players not bothering rolling alts either.

It's a shame really. As all the old zones were a masterpiece. And the current World PVP zones a complete waste.

Cheers

 

Well the mos prominent reason for not revamping the zones, is that they are in soon to be obsolete areas. Around 75% of player activity will most probably take place in Northrend, so why spend time and money revamping zones only a small minority of players actively play in.

AV has a revamp in beta, the allaince and horde Bosses dont stay in their base, they leave the base and head towards each other and meet in the middle.  Like the old druid\shaman summon.  Thats all I know so far.

Originally posted by farudim

If they put PvE objectives in a PvP zone i promise there  will be mucho whining

  Mucho whining? - YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT - no one likes being forced into a PVP zone to complete PVE objectives purely to be lured into an area to provide gank fodder for other  players - BLIZZARD RETHINK THIS!

if there is one thing that is constant in Blizzard  skills,they always fail with PvP/world PvP.Four years ago it sucked,four years after it still sucks and after WOTLK it will still suck.

In 4 or 5 months after WAR has been released,lots and lots will migrate because at that time WAR players would have unlocked lots of goodies for their realm and cities.The lowest level will benefit from what the highest level are doing and this will make the world alive.

/Holy Sons of Sigmar,for the Empire

Originally posted by coffee

AV has a revamp in beta, the allaince and horde Bosses dont stay in their base, they leave the base and head towards each other and meet in the middle.  Like the old druid\shaman summon.  Thats all I know so far.

Really? That is awesome news. If other summons and epic events were put back in the old days I would be sold for sure.

Ok here is my two cents.  As far as meaningful pvp goes i will go play a game like WAR where it is RvsR.  Pvp then has a point to it and reason why everyone is killing everyone.   In wow it is hard because of the way it is designed to make pvp anything more than a side interest.   I must say I play wow and I also enjoy pvp that is why when WAR some out I am playing WAR but I will also play wow.  As far as this new area its more like a bigger battle ground to every once and a while go pvp.

From the years I have played wow. pvp goes in cycles.  One moment everyone is clogging up the battle fields next moment they are dead.  The major incentive in wow is gear or some nice perk.  This new area just seems to be just a new addition to wow's style of pvp.   I play on PVP server but mostly pve.   I go pvp occassionaly when the mood strikes.  

For WoW to change anything drastically while they are still have large subscription would not be in their interest.  Further more how much more besides adding a new class or two can you change a game that been out there as long as WoW without upsetting the masses or unbalancing the game.   WoW is not perfect nor will it ever be.  I play it and have fun.  If wow put in the new area as an RvsR then everyone would still be saying they are copping WAR and many players who just PVE would be upset.  So think this is a good attempt to try to mesh the some world pvp into what is basically a pve game.   It all remains to be seen if it will be successful or not.  In the mean time I am taking my PVP aggression out on some green skins in WAR.