Wait a minute, the EverQuest II correspondent is just starting the game and has not even subscribed yet?

I just don't understand the logic there.

I do want the "other point of view," however.

Either send me a mail here, or email me at empireof1 at mchsi dot com if you want to express your issues with the game. I want to read what you have to say for an upcoming article.

Originally posted by ohreally

 

You wrote a one sided and very biased view of the game and it wouldn't be fair to encourage new players to try EQ2 without them knowing the full story from the eyes and opinions (after all, your article is just your opinion) of other who have been playing EQ2 and other SOE games for a long time.

 

EQ2 has issues, but it's not so much the game that is the problem. The game has real potential even beyond was it is today. It's SOE who refuses to maximize that potential with lazy developing and out right lies. I think it's only fair that people know up front what has transpired before they send money to a company with a history of lying to their customers....

And your view isnt biased? As your view on EQ2's history is YOUR biased view and not mine nor many many other current subscribers within EQ2. Also longterm vets since 2004.

Because YOU didn't like the nessessary changes SOE had to make on EQ2, there are many many other, again current subscribers within EQ2 who applauded these welcome changes and additions to the game.

The writer for this article is a NEWBIE to EverQuest 2! Hence the title of the article! So yes he writes an article about the current state of the game and his current NEWBIE experience!

No one is interested in your trolling, undermining his well written article. You are just as sad as all those SWG vets still bashing SOE in EVERY goddarn thread to date, because of the NGE update years ago!

This Anti-SOE campain has gone on far too long now and is getting beyond sad even.

After all these years we know how you all feel. We know you all want to feed The Smed to the pigs. So get over it!

Me, as one of those SWG vets who was disgruntled and disheartened by the NGE update that destroyed our beloved SWG game fed The Smed to the pigs, dogs, sharks, whatever else available, years ago and moved on!

Cheers

Originally posted by Daffid011

Wait a minute, the EverQuest II correspondent is just starting the game and has not even subscribed yet?

 

I just don't understand the logic there.

I'm coming from another game. I haven't had a chance yet to buy the game and upgrade my trial.

ohreally's post was mindnumbingly long and whiney so I'll assume you read it.

I can personally attest to most of what this very unfortunately upset shill . . er . .poster is saying.  The game is easier than launch.  There has been a bunch of new content added since launch.  Its a great way to make a profit for SOE. 

If there is a problem, it's the population.  The population took a serious hit from AoC launch.  It got so bad that I was mindboggled into canceling all of my accounts.  I hate soloing and groups were few and far between.   But I am reading now that AoC is a big pile of steaming crap.  I have played enough of these since 1999 to know that when people leave that brand new steaming pile of crap, they go back to the best games out there.  

EQ2 is still one of the best games out there.  

My one piece of advice is do stuff.  The ruleset is extremely horizontal.  There are a bazillion things you can do at every level.  Try stuff.  respec.  Go to a new zone.  This is the brilliance of EQ2. It's sheer size.  You don't get that in new games.  You get that in old decrepit games like EQ2.  

Unfortunately, I will not be joining.  I am spending more time with my family. . . .until WAR comes out anyway.  :)

Originally posted by ohreally

Well I certainly hope you received constructive criticism from players and didn't just trust the word of those players who believe that SOE can do no wrong. There are those to whom SOE is a God of sorts and are complete unwilling (or unable) to acknowledge that neither SOE or EQ2 is perfect. SOE has made many promises about EQ2 which they have not kept. When this game was first released, the players were made grand promises of 4-5 adventure packs (small 2-3 zone expansions based on the lore of the game) and 2-3 full expansion per year with the level cap reaching 100 in just a couple of years.

I don't know if you have been told, but a few months back SOE introduced the long awaited "epic" weapons into the game. Supposedly the best and hardest weapons to obtain in the game. Players were assured by SOE that NO ONE would be given any clues to the whereabouts of quest starting points or strats on completing the quests. As it turns out, certain developers who were also members of a guild named Ne Plus Ultra on Guk Server and gave their guild inside information of how to complete these quests. They completed these quest in 4 (YES FOUR) days. They cheated to get a world wide first. Other players on all servers DEMANDED the heads of the developers who gave out the info....SOE remained silent and to this day, it appears that not only are those developers still employed by SOE, they still work on the EQ2 project and at least one is still in Ni Plus Ultra....So in essence, SOE has condoned cheating in EQ2..

Answer to your first paragraph.  Yes, Sony's original vision was a 200 level cap and lots of adventure packs which would cost $5 - $10 each but they decided to do away with adventure packs and release new content/zones with each game update (FOR FREE).  Tell me, would you rather buy the adventure packs or get them for free in a game update.  I vote free but you can pay if you want to.

Answer to paragraph two.  Get a clue, Devs were feeding raid strats to Ne Plus Ultra, not quest info for epic weapons.  If you were in the global chat channels on the first day that epics were released, you would have seen how everyone was working together to get their epics.  Most NPU member did discover the Mythical version because the quest updates were in high end raid zones and they were almost the only guild clearing that content.  (there were a couple of others like Dissolution ).

Anyways... no, eq2 is not perfect but I believe it's the best/deepest fantasy mmo on the market at the moment.

It seems there is still a lot of angst for SOE and EQ2 after all this time. As for Daniel's original post, maybe a fresh look IS what's needed.

I've been a veteran of EQ2, and before it, EQ1 for a total of over 9 years. I'm very glad that the early days of EQ2 are gone as it was essentially the same game as EQ1 with some minor alterations and fresh make up. EQ1 was way too much work, and early EQ2 wasn't really any better. Yes some of the devs have made really big changes that often had more negative impact than positive. Yes, the original classes were more unique with more pronounced strengths and weaknesses.

If you really want to blame anyone for the watering down of the classes, blame the PvP kiddy core as it was cappitulation to that crowd that created the blandishments (ie it wasn't "fair" that some classes did better in  PvP than others, yadda yadda).

SOE caters to a wide age group range in it's games; from those that shouldn't be playing it at all (but their parents still let them) to some people in their retirement years. So there are always going to be people that aren't satisfied with the game and the changes made to it. That's the same with any game (if you liked the way things were done in eq1, it IS still running). I'm betting the current player demographics suggest an older player base that doesn't have time to spend 12+ hours on a single raid, or interest in endlessly grinding away on the same critters. I certainly am not interested in either of those things, and many of the people I play with appreciate being able to do a tour of Deathfist Citadel etc in a couple of hours with 4 people instead of 2 full groups in 6+ hours. They have jobs, kids, relationships, other things that take their time besides just sitting in front of a computer all day and night.

2 instrumental devs to note are Rothgar and Domino. Together they have shown a dedication to the game and players to create a great experience. Because of their efforts, I have decided to return as a subscribing member after over 2 years (essentially) of absence.

The game now is significantly different enough from the original that a fresh (and therefore largely unbiased) viewpoint could be exactly what is necessary in reviewing the current EQ2. Some of you may feel that this EQ2 is more like WoW, and others, like me, will feel that the game finally recognizes a segment of the player base that has limited time and want a game that's fun and relaxing, and not yet another thing to labor at.

Originally posted by Drakaran

It seems there is still a lot of angst for SOE and EQ2 after all this time. As for Daniel's original post, maybe a fresh look IS what's needed.

I've been a veteran of EQ2, and before it, EQ1 for a total of over 9 years. I'm very glad that the early days of EQ2 are gone as it was essentially the same game as EQ1 with some minor alterations and fresh make up. EQ1 was way too much work, and early EQ2 wasn't really any better. Yes some of the devs have made really big changes that often had more negative impact than positive. Yes, the original classes were more unique with more pronounced strengths and weaknesses.

If you really want to blame anyone for the watering down of the classes, blame the PvP kiddy core as it was cappitulation to that crowd that created the blandishments (ie it wasn't "fair" that some classes did better in  PvP than others, yadda yadda).

SOE caters to a wide age group range in it's games; from those that shouldn't be playing it at all (but their parents still let them) to some people in their retirement years. So there are always going to be people that aren't satisfied with the game and the changes made to it. That's the same with any game (if you liked the way things were done in eq1, it IS still running). I'm betting the current player demographics suggest an older player base that doesn't have time to spend 12+ hours on a single raid, or interest in endlessly grinding away on the same critters. I certainly am not interested in either of those things, and many of the people I play with appreciate being able to do a tour of Deathfist Citadel etc in a couple of hours with 4 people instead of 2 full groups in 6+ hours. They have jobs, kids, relationships, other things that take their time besides just sitting in front of a computer all day and night.

2 instrumental devs to note are Rothgar and Domino. Together they have shown a dedication to the game and players to create a great experience. Because of their efforts, I have decided to return as a subscribing member after over 2 years (essentially) of absence.

The game now is significantly different enough from the original that a fresh (and therefore largely unbiased) viewpoint could be exactly what is necessary in reviewing the current EQ2. Some of you may feel that this EQ2 is more like WoW, and others, like me, will feel that the game finally recognizes a segment of the player base that has limited time and want a game that's fun and relaxing, and not yet another thing to labor at.

Very well said. And about that troll's comparison of EQ2 to WoW. LOL! EQ2 offers so so much more and so so much more depth in gameplay, features, housing, guild features, classes, etc then WoW.

If we talk about a dumbed down MMO into the extreme with very limited features, then it's WoW.

And don't start me on Age of Conan. As that will turn out into the biggest laugh of all time. Well it already is.

Cheers

Originally posted by Guillermo197

To the negativists out there. Just admit it that EverQuest II is stil the best MMO out there.

It offers the most content, most features, most of everything what is out there in it's genre.

EverQuest 2 is a great game!

Cheers

Sorry to disappoint you, but the subscriber number tells another story.

I played this game since beta, and I can tell you that now is a totally different game than it used to be.

I respect your opinion and you are one of the few that enjoy the game as it is.......but you are not so many unfortunately.

Yes EQ2 has lots of content, but quantity doesn't equal quality.
If you read my previous post you will understand that I am against those yearly expansion which add only badly bump mapped new zones and washed up content..........all in the name of quantity.
That is what ruined EQ2 IMO.

SoE needs to stop this and enrich the huge world already has.
It needs to add more details to the world, more armor models, better questing, fix the raiding and the itemisation, making it again a group oriented game and dropping that LoN shit.

If they keep going on the ultra-casual route, this game will not last long trust me, look at SWG NGE.....they never learn..........

I'm still looking for input. Why do you really believe this game is so bad? Let me know via PM or by emailing empireof1 at mchsi dot com.

“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”

Yes i kept paying for it, the game was FUN they it slowly went down the hill in so many aspects.

In what part of my post did you read i didnt have fun in the first years?  Why i kept playing?  I came from EQ1  and   the Everquest series still is the most rich in fantasy and roleplay elements.  Sadly SOE isnt living up to the name of the game for the past 1,5 years at least.    

1 class?   Because i never felt the need to play another, leveled alts to levels 15-20   but that's it.  Im always on the melee side of things (it is my playstyle)   and  Zerker was my choice of character since the beginning   -   a plate wearer with good DPS and chance to be a Tank.    Im not going to repeat myself  in how the game leaned towards   1 build only  for Zerkers and Guardians  -  the tank only part and Guardians  are THE  tanks in end-game   period.

Yes i was there for 4 years,  in between my job, marriage and kid, i was there not as an  "Elitish Hardcore player"   like someone here pointed out,  but as a serious casual player who sadly saw EQ2 becoming less and less rich in content, less and less caring about player base.

 

No, being tired of a game is what happens when *you* played it for four years with only one toon and one profession. You played the game from one dimension, and now you want them to *fix* it? You want them to somehow find it in their hearts to make you the uber class again so you don't have to re-roll a different class?

Seems to me your problem is based in your own laziness. You will not see me support SOE often, but that post was awful.

Then, you kept paying for it?

Originally posted by Miustus

I'm still looking for input. Why do you really believe this game is so bad? Let me know via PM or by emailing empireof1 at mchsi dot com.

“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”

 

You had lots of imput, from different posts.
The game was so much better before than it is now )RoK was total crap).
Maybe the game is not so bad after all, but quite frankly if I have to play a copycat of WoW I will play the original, which is much better.
As it is the game has no market........casual players keep playing WoW, and other kind of players are not interested anymore cause it is too casual.

Bottom line is that you like it, which is good.
It is a pity that not many people share your view, in which case EQ2 would not have problems with the subscriptions (or lack of it).

Originally posted by Miustus

Originally posted by Daffid011

Wait a minute, the EverQuest II correspondent is just starting the game and has not even subscribed yet?

 

I just don't understand the logic there.

 

I'm coming from another game. I haven't had a chance yet to buy the game and upgrade my trial.

I'm curious how you got the position with no practical experience with the game?  Perhaps I just don't understand what your position is meant to do and previous experience just isn't a requirement.

My story is thus:

My original article(my "portfolio") was an article about World of Warcraft, the MMO I currectly subscribe to. It was the base for me being "hired."

When asked what game I wished to write for, I informed the Correspondent Coordinator that I wanted a new experience, something that gives me a chance to enjoy something other than WoW.

He told me that EQ2 needed someone, so I jumped at the opportunity. I don't think I got the position on my knowledge of the game as much as my writing skill. Or maybe no one else wanted the job.

“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”

Originally posted by ste2000

Originally posted by Miustus

I'm still looking for input. Why do you really believe this game is so bad? Let me know via PM or by emailing empireof1 at mchsi dot com.

“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”

 

 

You had lots of imput, from different posts.
The game was so much better before than it is now )RoK was total crap).
Maybe the game is not so bad after all, but quite frankly if I have to play a copycat of WoW I will play the original, which is much better.
As it is the game has no market........casual players keep playing WoW, and other kind of players are not interested anymore cause it is too casual.

Bottom line is that you like it, which is good.
It is a pity that not many people share your view, in which case EQ2 would not have problems with the subscriptions (or lack of it).

I wanted to speak to the people who dislike this game so much, try to delve in to see the reasons why.

“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”

Originally posted by Miustus

Originally posted by ste2000

Originally posted by Miustus

I'm still looking for input. Why do you really believe this game is so bad? Let me know via PM or by emailing empireof1 at mchsi dot com.

“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”

 

 

You had lots of imput, from different posts.
The game was so much better before than it is now )RoK was total crap).
Maybe the game is not so bad after all, but quite frankly if I have to play a copycat of WoW I will play the original, which is much better.
As it is the game has no market........casual players keep playing WoW, and other kind of players are not interested anymore cause it is too casual.

Bottom line is that you like it, which is good.
It is a pity that not many people share your view, in which case EQ2 would not have problems with the subscriptions (or lack of it).

 

I wanted to speak to the people who dislike this game so much, try to delve in to see the reasons why.

“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”

Look let's put it nicely.

Tell me 1 reason apart the comunity, why anyone should play EQ2 over WoW  (and I am using WoW as an example because that's what SoE is trying to copy)

I am not lover of WoW, but I cannot find any single thing that EQ2 does better than WoW at the moment, whilst 4-3 years ago I could find tons of them.

The point is that SoE turned a pretty decent game into a souless wow copycat, yes some people might like it, but generally you are better off playing WoW (or other games).
And that's exactly what people is doing, unfortunately for SoE.

Picking up people like you to promote the game, and ignoring the thousands who left the game for the bad quality of the product,  is just another of SoE attempt to get more subscribers by avoiding the real issue, which is the game itself.
They did it with SWG NGE, and they are doing it with EQ2 in a more subtle way.
They really need to stop doing this.


 

Originally posted by ste2000

Originally posted by Miustus

Originally posted by ste2000

Originally posted by Miustus

I'm still looking for input. Why do you really believe this game is so bad? Let me know via PM or by emailing empireof1 at mchsi dot com.

“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”

 

 

You had lots of imput, from different posts.
The game was so much better before than it is now )RoK was total crap).
Maybe the game is not so bad after all, but quite frankly if I have to play a copycat of WoW I will play the original, which is much better.
As it is the game has no market........casual players keep playing WoW, and other kind of players are not interested anymore cause it is too casual.

Bottom line is that you like it, which is good.
It is a pity that not many people share your view, in which case EQ2 would not have problems with the subscriptions (or lack of it).

 

I wanted to speak to the people who dislike this game so much, try to delve in to see the reasons why.

“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”

 

Look let's put it nicely.

Tell me 1 reason apart the comunity, why anyone should play EQ2 over WoW  (and I am using WoW as an example because that's what SoE is trying to copy)

I am not lover of WoW, but I cannot find any single thing that EQ2 does better than WoW at the moment, whilst 4-3 years ago I could find tons of them.

The point is that SoE turned a pretty decent game into a souless wow copycat, yes some people might like it, but generally you are better off playing WoW (or other games).
And that's exactly what people is doing, unfortunately for SoE.

Picking up people like you to promote the game, and ignoring the thousands who left the game for the bad quality of the product,  is just another of SoE attempt to get more subscribers by avoiding the real issue, which is the game itself.
They did it with SWG NGE, and they are doing it with EQ2 in a more subtle way.
They really need to stop doing this.


 

LMAO!

EverQuest2 (together with EverQuest1) are still one of the few more hardcore fantasygames left within the MMO genre!

EverQuest2 is so so much better than WoW. Now that's what I call a soulless game. Or did you find the TBC expansion in WoW a great expansion? Don't make me laugh!

EverQuest2 offers tons more content and features and gameplay than WoW will ever have.

With the upcoming second expansion (wich took Blizzard again over 2 years) they are going to add the same ol' crap to the game AGAIN! Except for some new heroic class (Wich will start causing an outrage within PVP crybabies for sure. So I forsee the massive nerfbat swinging that direction soon after launch, dumbing it down to just another class).

So please stop your failed troll attempts. You didn't like the nessessary changes SOE had to do with EverQuest2. So be it. But don't start being moronic here in trying to prevent players from trying the game! It's just silly and really sad.

Right now, my observation is that the people who are decrying this game are a loud minority. True, I haven't experienced everything there is in Everquest 2, and it will be some time before I do, but even being in the game for a short time, I can tell a difference between this game and WoW.

Maybe I have to reach the end to find this out.

“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”

Originally posted by Miustus

Right now, my observation is that the people who are decrying this game are a loud minority. True, I haven't experienced everything there is in Everquest 2, and it will be some time before I do, but even being in the game for a short time, I can tell a difference between this game and WoW.

 

Maybe I have to reach the end to find this out.

 

“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”

And that says it all my friend and makes a complete fool out of those crying trolls!

A newbie in EverQuest2 already sees the differences between WoW and EverQuest 2, while the so proclaimed old vets that are bashing here don't! Says enough to me how sad you little trolls are.

Miustus, you go play and enjoy the game! Find things out yourself, write about it and draw your own conclusions with your own experience! Ignore the trolls.

Cheers

Originally posted by Miustus

 

"Maybe I have to reach the end to find this out."

 

Not wanting to "troll" or anything,  but you hit the nail here.

Endgame is completely different from beginning and middle.  

Nevertheless,  EQ2  is still rich in content, much richer in factions, lore and fantasy than any mmorpg out there.

You will have fun for sure and perhaps in the endgame you start realizing some serious problems with design and  AA   faults.

It's not the game's fault, it had and still has potential  -  even in graphics.

Its the designers fault and lack of fresh ideas that's in stake here. 

That and realising  that   classes need    "uniqueness"  instead of  "likelyness"  -  one of the major factors that brought down the game.