Great thread.

Wow, I could understand you making posts in peoples threads about their spelling, but not making a complete thread dedicated to teaching english.

Most of the people here have learnt English and proper grammar, but make a decision to be lazy.

Originally posted by mrroboto40 

Most of the people here have learnt English and proper grammar, but make a decision to be lazy.

With the current state of the US education system, I highly doubt that...

Originally posted by Solude

Get over it.  Those that make these mistakes probably speak english as a second or third language.  I'd bet their french, german, korean... is better than yours 

 

English is my third language.  Though I do tend to make mistakes now and again I take every effort to fix it.  I learned it properly and I'd at least expect others of the same situation to do so.  However for those living overseas in countries where English is not the first or even second language I can somewhat understand.

Originally posted by Skooma2

 

I despise illiteracy or intellectual laziness.  Get it right before your high school English teachers slap your parents.

Most high school English teachers I know teach English grammar badly, Skooma2.

For example, give me the possessive forms of the following nouns:

Woman

Women

Chris

Socrates

Fonz

James

Jesus

Hobbes

It

Their

Brother

Brothers

To date, no high school English teacher I have met can use the apostrophe correctly in all the above cases.

Great thread! Let's not forget "should of."

Using bad grammar is not due to laziness; it is because you are 'a few clowns short of circus.' Typos come from laziness.

Wow someones really got a stick up their <explicit>.  Me, I really don't care one way or the other.  As long as I understand what the person is trying to say.  Though, I do admit I have a low tolerance for "leet speak".  I do find people that say rouge instead of rogue annoying though.

Originally posted by dakota123

I dont care how much people hate it, I use that type of speech all the time in MMO's. It is quick, easy,  and more conenient to use. At least I, and many other people too, do not simply forget true grammer. Is it really that wrong to make things easier?, for the sake of nothing but conienience.

Easier for whom? You, or the poor sap trying to make sense of whatever it is you're on about?

Case in point, what the heck is "conenient" and "conienience"?

and the lesson continues:

IV  It's "would have" not "would of".  What the heck does "would of" mean anyway?

But, as my detractors have asserted, it is permissible to use lazy language in anonymous forum posts.   Why is that?   When did it become the societal norm to decide that using correct English is just too much of an effort? (I am not speaking of people who speak English as a 2nd or 3rd language.)   I point the finger of blame at word processing spell checkers.  With their advent it no longer mattered if you could type or spell correctly, so people tended not to put much effort in learning how to do it.

    Why does it bug you, obviously YOU know the meanings and in regards to each individual's sentance, you know what they're reffering to dont you? just because someone doesnt know the difference doesnt change the meaning of their sentance am i right? maybe they just dont know the difference

  This thread may change that but it wont change the ammount of people that make this common mistake =p it's a shame really that little things like this put you to a point where you "cant stand" something

I'm still waiting for someone to give me my possessives.  Skooma2?

I agree with the OP.

And to the ones saying people only do this in games, or txt message, that's not true.  A lot of people don't, they get used to using "u" and that's how they start writing it, for example.  I don't care if people use shortcuts like "brb" and "afk", but typing "u" instead of "you" is just pure laziness.  It takes like, a second to type 2 more keys, if that.

I used to type like that myself, but I realized how immature it really looks.  I can understand and expect typos, some grammar/spelling errors, we're not perfect, it's bound to happen.  Things like "u" and "r" aren't errors, they're just a lazy way of typing a few more keys.  It wasn't much a problem before, but A LOT of people are doing it.

I'm not perfect at spelling or grammar, but I don't degrade myself by not typing a few more letters.

for the guy that first made this post: wtf?

your and you're are the only two that piss me off.

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Originally posted by Skooma2
I.   Your  vs  you're
your = belonging to you
you're= contraction for "you are" ( and is different from "your")
These words are not interchangeable.
II.  There vs they're vs their
There = a different place from the one you currently occupy
They're= contraction for "they are"
Their= belonging to them
These words are not interchangeable.
 
I despise illiteracy or intellectual laziness.  Get it right before your high school English teachers slap your parents.   It takes less than one minute to proofread (you internet generation dancing monkeys might have to look that one up) a post.  I'm not talking about typos here ... I'm talking about selecting the correct word in the first place.  And, please, do not give me that "you know what I mean" crap.  You can point to your mouth and rub your stomach and I know you are hungry ...  But it's still not English.

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Illiteracy or intelectual laziness?

How about this, I despise people who play grammar police in posts because they dont have an original thought to add to the conversation.

Just because someone may use the right word or type it the perfect way doesnt mean their idea is anymore interesting or enlightening.

I dont need eyes to understand someone that is speaking to me.
For the most of us, we hear what is being said.

And when I read I hear in my mind what Im reading? Dont you? <--By the way IM ASKING.
So, all the "theyres/theirs/wherevers" all SOUND the same to me. To get hungup on that small detail is truely trivial to me.

Looking out of the box, I beleive this is more than just a grammar issue.
Although being the academic type thinker that I beleive you to be, I beleive you would disagree.

Heres an interesting link.

http://files.filefront.com/academic+creative+brainjpg/;11334635;/fileinfo.html

Good day.

I SAID GOOD DAY !!

/fez off

Originally posted by Beatnik59

Originally posted by Skooma2

 

I despise illiteracy or intellectual laziness.  Get it right before your high school English teachers slap your parents.

 

Most high school English teachers I know teach English grammar badly, Skooma2.

For example, give me the possessive forms of the following nouns:

Woman's

Women's

Chris'

Socrates'

Fonz'

James'

Jesus'

Hobbes'

Its

Theirs

Brother's

Brothers'

To date, no high school English teacher I have met can use the apostrophe correctly in all the above cases.

 

Eh?

Originally posted by kaydinv

Originally posted by Beatnik59

Originally posted by Skooma2

 

I despise illiteracy or intellectual laziness.  Get it right before your high school English teachers slap your parents.

 

Most high school English teachers I know teach English grammar badly, Skooma2.

For example, give me the possessive forms of the following nouns:

Woman's

Women's

Chris'

Socrates'

Fonz'

James'

Jesus'

Hobbes'

Its

Theirs

Brother's

Brothers'

To date, no high school English teacher I have met can use the apostrophe correctly in all the above cases.

 

 

Eh?

Is he right Skooma2?

this is the internet and not a english test so tbh text speak will do + not everyone here is from a native english speaking country.

The only part of that list that made me stop and think was the name: Fonz. I recall a "general" rule for nouns ending with a "z" to omit the "s" but I don't recall anything iron clad saying it was THE way to do things. Been awhile sense high school english so i could be wrong on that one.

EDIT: " 's " should have just been the "s"  following the apostrophe. Thought I would change for clarity.

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Illiteracy or intelectual laziness?

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It's not laziness, it's just plain rudeness.
Even if it's not your first language, you can still use interpunction to make your posts readable.
I see it more and more in forums and chatrooms that people just dump garbage onto their keyboard and hit the button. The newest trend is to simply ignore all rules of interpunction and just brabble countless words and acronyms in 400 word mega-sentences.

A well structured post is easier to read, easier to understand and makes me want to read more. A huge wall of text without any structure makes me want to vomit.

If you ask me, it's a problem that's widespread, and makes reading forums a pain. English forums are even more civilized at parts, although the widespread chatspeak ("i c u 2" or whatever) is pretty painful to read. I've worked as a moderator on several german forums and even chatrooms, and i can tell you it gets worse every year.

I've seen enough people of my age starting to speak like they write, and vice versa.

Whenever my faith in humanity has recovered too much, i just visit one or two popular german chat communities, and i'm cured. *scnr*