Originally posted by bcrankshaw

I have no issue with legitimate criticism at Funcom ,as most of the time it’s warranted but this is just sad and completely unnecessary . In any game if you meet someone who starts a lecherous conversation like the player did and encourages it you will get a reaction . The player talks about drug use and does manipulate the GM. It’s actually sad that he records it ..for what purpose to show that the GM is playing along ...or being serious .It’s irrelevant we will never know .The  fact is the player needs to get a life and realize this is a  petulant swipe at Funcom which I think is pathetic

 

:)

While I do agree with you, you miss the point of the thread.

Okay maybe ,pleaze explain ? :)

Originally posted by Umbral

Originally posted by rav3n2

 

 

Flirting between teachers and students is NOT a normal thing and it's against the law in some cases.

 

 

But lets not be hypocrites, we know it happens sometimes and no one get hurt.

 

...

Yeah. Except when it's discovered, people go to prison... at least in almost every country in the world.

DB

Let me ask you this, have you seen a GM act in such an unprofessional and downright silly manner in any MMO? Maybe some of you, but probably not for the most of you. A simple shot at comedy, the same reason you have people post videos of fat kids to point and laugh at on youtube, so have I recorded a rather hilarious situation in which an employed Gamemaster sinks so low as to cyber with another player.

I'm not here to state that Funcom employs sub-par employees and all the GMs might want to reconsider their position as a GM, but I feel that a situation such as this warrants a thread, at least for comedic value.

The game is rated M. They have given themselves the freedom to do this. If they have done anything right it was to not care about releasing an M rated title,

The secret's out ... we know now why he was being so defensive ...

Umbral was that GM

Originally posted by LostMK

The game is rated M. They have given themselves the freedom to do this. If they have done anything right it was to not care about releasing an M rated title. WoWchildren can STFU and GTFO. =D

Oh My God.

You have totally absolutely no clue whatsoever. What the hell does an "M" rating to do with the task and duties of a GM???

DB

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by LostMK

The game is rated M. They have given themselves the freedom to do this. If they have done anything right it was to not care about releasing an M rated title. WoWchildren can STFU and GTFO. =D

 

Oh My God.

You have totally absolutely no clue whatsoever. What the hell does an "M" rating to do with the task and duties of a GM???

DB

The fact that M rating means Mature clients meaning they are consenting adults. Unless the gm was running around sending perverted pms then whats teh problem.

This guy is obviously a douche, he started the conversation, leads it down the path it goes, then posts screensshots about it after he cleans himself up. 

You are supposed to be adults, you dont want to cyber, dont talk dirty, the M rating means people take some fucking responsibility. Tasks, and duties of a gm, give me a break, what about what we hold the players accountable for.

I dont know why customers think they have free reign to act like dicks,

Originally posted by JarredStone

Let me ask you this, have you seen a GM act in such an unprofessional and downright silly manner in any MMO? Maybe some of you, but probably not for the most of you. A simple shot at comedy, the same reason you have people post videos of fat kids to point and laugh at on youtube, so have I recorded a rather hilarious situation in which an employed Gamemaster sinks so low as to cyber with another player.

I'm not here to state that Funcom employs sub-par employees and all the GMs might want to reconsider their position as a GM, but I feel that a situation such as this warrants a thread, at least for comedic value.

Okay sure ,I hear you .It is funny ..but the reaction it's getting is "typical Funcom "...or " what do you excpect from Funcom " ...etc etc

My point is this should not be a reflection on Funcom as this is one specific incident of this nature .I know the GM's  in AOC  are unliked and arrogant  ..it's one of the reasons I left AOC but its unfair to use this example to attack Funcom...and thats how this is being recieved .My point is I believe this could happen in any MMO with the right personality of a GM "

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by LostMK

The game is rated M. They have given themselves the freedom to do this. If they have done anything right it was to not care about releasing an M rated title. WoWchildren can STFU and GTFO. =D

 

Oh My God.

You have totally absolutely no clue whatsoever. What the hell does an "M" rating to do with the task and duties of a GM???

DB

 

The fact that M rating means Mature clients meaning they are consenting adults. Unless the gm was running around sending perverted pms then whats teh problem.

 

 

This guy is obviously a douche, he started the conversation, leads it down the path it goes, then posts screensshots about it after he cleans himself up. 

 

You are supposed to be adults, you dont want to cyber, dont talk dirty, the M rating means people take some fucking responsibility. Tasks, and duties of a gm, give me a break, what about what we hold the players accountable for.

I dont know why customers think they have free reign to act like dicks,

I think you miss the point being M rated or not, has nothing to do with this, its just unprofessional, the GM is being paid to provide a Professional Service, when you are recruited as a GM the company gives you a massive book that you need to read, and it will tell you how to handle customers. I seriously dunno how to explain you this, I guess i expect people to have a bit of common sense, just try and go to a Store or a Cafe and try and ask the waitress to sit down on your table for a chat.

As for the guy being a douche, maybe you should read the chat between the two people these are the first 2 lines:

"To []: ..with dual wield barbarians though, I mean TWO?!?! That's a bit difficult for me to handle. I'd rather stick with one big sword.
[|GM|]: You like it rough I take it :)"

To my eyes the GM was the one starting the "weird" conversation, sure the first line from the player could have been misinterpreted but had the GM been a professional he would have disregarded such thoughts and ended the petition not start an in-game love affair.

If you also analyze the second part of the start of the conversation:

"To []: Of Course, I'm a ***ing rock sniffer.
To []: With daggers.
To []: And I'm specced for second wind =) I can go all night.
[|GM|]: lol wow, I don't think I would ever be the same :)
[|GM|]: um WOw this is turning me on lol."

Again what the player said is open to interpretation, and shows again how unprofessional the GM was by continueing the conversation with "wow this is turning me on".

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by LostMK

The game is rated M. They have given themselves the freedom to do this. If they have done anything right it was to not care about releasing an M rated title. WoWchildren can STFU and GTFO. =D

 

Oh My God.

You have totally absolutely no clue whatsoever. What the hell does an "M" rating to do with the task and duties of a GM???

DB

 

The fact that M rating means Mature clients meaning they are consenting adults. Unless the gm was running around sending perverted pms then whats teh problem.

 

 

This guy is obviously a douche, he started the conversation, leads it down the path it goes, then posts screensshots about it after he cleans himself up. 

 

You are supposed to be adults, you dont want to cyber, dont talk dirty, the M rating means people take some fucking responsibility. Tasks, and duties of a gm, give me a break, what about what we hold the players accountable for.

I dont know why customers think they have free reign to act like dicks,

You didn't get the point either. 2 main flaws in your argument.

1. A game's rating means that it has certain kind of content: "M" rated games/movies are supposed to have mature content.  How in hell would it determine its playerbase? You gotta be joking :))  How on earth would a developer publisher have ANY control over its audience??? They have control over other things, like...

2. Their employees. Now, again, content rating has absolutely ZERO to do with the professionalism of their employees. A GM is a GM in Hello Kitty online, in WOW and in AOC. Everywhere. They CAN NEVER go into "play" with any of their customer. They can NOT flirt with their customers. Cannot swear to their customers, be arrogent or condescending to them - in short, they have to be PROFESSIONALS, and it does not matter if that customer is a mature, normal adult, an 8 year old kid or a flaming psychopat. They always MUST behave professionally. It is part of their job.

Hope you got the point finally. Stop mixing totally independent issues pls.

(Edit: Rav3n2, again we're on the same platform :))

DB

Originally posted by Umbral

 

JarredStone

I cant belive you really think the GM is cybering, how naive can you be?

The GM is just joking, nothing more, it is pretty clear he noticed the other person is joking and tried to be funny, just that.

He is just joking and socialazing, nothing more, if you think this is sexual language, I think something must be wrong with you.

arent this : [|GM|]: I'm wearing panties :]
[|GM|]:(joke)  clear to you?

Ok Ok, Funcom is making a lot of mistakes, but really, lets give this GM a break...

 

 

....

Did you read the whole thing? hes an employeee and representative of the company for God's sake. This wasnt tow players talking.

So I am guessing your world ( from reading some of the nonsense youve used to defend this idiot) that if someone "baits" someone then everything after that poin tis ok? If so enjoy your jail time because you will find that is not reality.

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by LostMK

The game is rated M. They have given themselves the freedom to do this. If they have done anything right it was to not care about releasing an M rated title. WoWchildren can STFU and GTFO. =D

 

Oh My God.

You have totally absolutely no clue whatsoever. What the hell does an "M" rating to do with the task and duties of a GM???

DB

 

The fact that M rating means Mature clients meaning they are consenting adults. Unless the gm was running around sending perverted pms then whats teh problem.

 

 

This guy is obviously a douche, he started the conversation, leads it down the path it goes, then posts screensshots about it after he cleans himself up. 

 

You are supposed to be adults, you dont want to cyber, dont talk dirty, the M rating means people take some fucking responsibility. Tasks, and duties of a gm, give me a break, what about what we hold the players accountable for.

I dont know why customers think they have free reign to act like dicks,

 

You didn't get the point either. 2 main flaws in your argument.

1. A game's rating means that it has certain kind of content: "M" rated games/movies are supposed to have mature content.  How in hell would it determine its playerbase? You gotta be joking :))  How on earth would a developer publisher have ANY control over its audience??? They have control over other things, like...

2. Their employees. Now, again, content rating has absolutely ZERO to do with the professionalism of their employees. A GM is a GM in Hello Kitty online, in WOW and in AOC. Everywhere. They CAN NEVER go into "play" with any of their customer. They can NOT flirt with their customers. Cannot swear to their customers, be arrogent or condescending to them - in short, they have to be PROFESSIONALS, and it does not matter if that customer is a mature, normal adult, an 8 year old kid or a flaming psychopat. They always MUST behave professionally. It is part of their job.

Hope you got the point finally. Stop mixing totally independent issues pls.

(Edit: Rav3n2, again we're on the same platform :))

DB

You clearly dont know what the intended point of the esrb rating is, Mature = 17 older, 18 or older depending on where you ar efrom. You cant even buy a mature game in canada if your not over 18, thats how it determines the intended player base, if somoene is below that age and has age of conan that measn some douchebag parent isnt doing their job. Like i said, PERSONAL responsibility, you didnt hear me say the publisher has to make sure a mature base players their game because of the rating.

Professionalism depends on the job, i have been in several customer support roles in my time, some jobs require a higher level of respect then others, i have been in support jobs where i can swear, get casual, flirt with the customer as long as im doing my job, and others where i cant even speak in a negative tone to the cusotmer.

You dont know what the GM code of conduct is, and it isnt universal, whoever put that shit in your head has you confused.

Thats the problem with society today, they expect someone else to govern them, the level of common sense has fallen so far, that if you even if you suggest someone uses common sense you should expect the worst., you expect the companys to childproof the world for you, and then bite them when you intentionally break the rules. Its people like you, why we have directions on pop tarts, because youd fucking burn yourself, and then blame the company for not telling you pop tarts out of the toaster are hot.

Seems GM means Grand Moron in Funcom.

Originally posted by bcrankshaw

.It is funny ..but the reaction it's getting is "typical Funcom "...or " what do you excpect from Funcom " ...etc etc

My point is this should not be a reflection on Funcom as this is one specific incident of this nature .I know the GM's  in AOC  are unliked and arrogant  ..it's one of the reasons I left AOC but its unfair to use this example to attack Funcom...and thats how this is being recieved .My point is I believe this could happen in any MMO with the right personality of a GM "

I agree

its amusing but dont see this as a valid reason to bring on the fire and pitchforks

When I realised the quality and professionalism of my peers, I turned in my GM account.

Regardless of implied humour, this is not the best way to behave when representing a company.

-no-

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by LostMK

The game is rated M. They have given themselves the freedom to do this. If they have done anything right it was to not care about releasing an M rated title. WoWchildren can STFU and GTFO. =D

 

Oh My God.

You have totally absolutely no clue whatsoever. What the hell does an "M" rating to do with the task and duties of a GM???

DB

 

The fact that M rating means Mature clients meaning they are consenting adults. Unless the gm was running around sending perverted pms then whats teh problem.

 

 

This guy is obviously a douche, he started the conversation, leads it down the path it goes, then posts screensshots about it after he cleans himself up. 

 

You are supposed to be adults, you dont want to cyber, dont talk dirty, the M rating means people take some fucking responsibility. Tasks, and duties of a gm, give me a break, what about what we hold the players accountable for.

I dont know why customers think they have free reign to act like dicks,

 

You didn't get the point either. 2 main flaws in your argument.

1. A game's rating means that it has certain kind of content: "M" rated games/movies are supposed to have mature content.  How in hell would it determine its playerbase? You gotta be joking :))  How on earth would a developer publisher have ANY control over its audience??? They have control over other things, like...

2. Their employees. Now, again, content rating has absolutely ZERO to do with the professionalism of their employees. A GM is a GM in Hello Kitty online, in WOW and in AOC. Everywhere. They CAN NEVER go into "play" with any of their customer. They can NOT flirt with their customers. Cannot swear to their customers, be arrogent or condescending to them - in short, they have to be PROFESSIONALS, and it does not matter if that customer is a mature, normal adult, an 8 year old kid or a flaming psychopat. They always MUST behave professionally. It is part of their job.

Hope you got the point finally. Stop mixing totally independent issues pls.

(Edit: Rav3n2, again we're on the same platform :))

DB

 

You clearly dont know what the intended point of the esrb rating is, Mature = 17 older, 18 or older depending on where you ar efrom. You cant even buy a mature game in canada if your not over 18, thats how it determines the intended player base, if somoene is below that age and has age of conan that measn some douchebag parent isnt doing their job. Like i said, PERSONAL responsibility, you didnt hear me say the publisher has to make sure a mature base players their game because of the rating.

Professionalism depends on the job, i have been in several customer support roles in my time, some jobs require a higher level of respect then others, i have been in support jobs where i can swear, get casual, flirt with the customer as long as im doing my job, and others where i cant even speak in a negative tone to the cusotmer.

You dont know what the GM code of conduct is, and it isnt universal, whoever put that shit in your head has you confused.

 

Thats the problem with society today, they expect someone else to govern them, the level of common sense has fallen so far, that if you even if you suggest someone uses common sense you should expect the worst., you expect the companys to childproof the world for you, and then bite them when you intentionally break the rules. Its people like you, why we have directions on pop tarts, because youd fucking burn yourself, and then blame the company for not telling you pop tarts out of the toaster are hot.

 I honestly dont care what professions youve been in, because youre thread author and have forum and gaming experience doesnt make you any one important and infact im considering you kinda low lifish right now especially after what youve said about gm code of conduct and im actually doubt youve been anything but a v-gm or just a let in considering it is illegal for gms to be too friendly with a client because if you give any sort of 'special' treatment it voids a whole bunch of laws and rights, this isnt a problem with society; its a problem with you and maybe a tad of society. That tad would be disrespectful lots who think theyre some body and theyre not, even if youve made a name for yourself in one regard you sure havent made it as a political individual.
 

Still won't change the fact that this GM was ridiculously unprofessional.

It's funny though, how anyone would argue that a role of an AoC GM would actually allow playing cyber with a customer, regardless of who actually initiated it - are you really, really arguing this way?

If you still insist on not seeing that bad point here, you're not only clueless but a sad fanboi too.

DB

Originally posted by Deatonis

 I honestly dont care what professions youve been in, because youre thread author and have forum and gaming experience doesnt make you any one important and infact im considering you kinda low lifish right now especially after what youve said about gm code of conduct and im actually doubt youve been anything but a v-gm or just a let in considering it is illegal for gms to be too friendly with a client because if you give any sort of 'special' treatment it voids a whole bunch of laws and rights, this isnt a problem with society; its a problem with you and maybe a tad of society. That tad would be disrespectful lots who think theyre some body and theyre not, even if youve made a name for yourself in one regard you sure havent made it as a political individual.
 

QFT., The guy talks out off his ass. No customer service allows that kind of crap with customers. Been working in customer service basically in my whole professional life (10 yrs - a little sales on the side). That post was full of it... (check my post above).

DB