Originally posted by deviliscious

I have been very impressed with this game. Though some argue that it isn't an MMo, it is better than most of the MMOs currently on the market. The best part about this game is that the creators seem to actually care about their players. ...

... It is funny to think that these guys who have never tried to create a mmo were able to create a game without monthly fees that  has great graphics,  excellent customer service,  quality quests and storyline, outstanding pvp,  and it was polished and virtually bug free  in less time than most of the other companies on the market.  Thank you  Arena Net, you guys rule! I can't wait till the release of Guild war2, the whole Idea of the mist sounds awesome!

Thats what im talking about 

You need only ONE (1) Campaign to play the game (Prophecies, Factions OR Nightfall), so to all posters that say that price is the same here's a small calculus for current price situation:

GW = 18,75 € (any of the 3 campaigns in my local store atm)
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total = 18,75 and u can play it for however long you like

WoW = 15 € (same store, atm)
+ 14,95 € every month of playing
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total = 29,95 for ONE month of playing

So as any stoneage mathematican can comprihand, price isn't the same thus GW is cheaper. Lets say you go now and buy all three campaigns + ONLY expansion (Eye of the North), thats 18,75 x 4 = 75 €,

75 / 14,95 = 5,02 months of playing WoW.

See i have been playing GW for 2 years now and only payed maybe 130€ coz it was a bit more expensive when i bought it (that's still bout only 8-9 months of WoW)

My statement wasn't that GW is PERFECT game, it was that GW is THE BEST MMO PRODUCT ATM because it's a COMPLETE product, that gives buyer/user sense of content and u dont feel like ur getting ripped off, unlike all others that lack either proper support, either distribution channels, either non-balls-breaking price ...

To the guy saying that u can't jump, try /jump , but i agree, im missing the ability to jump too.

What im saying, i guess is that i would love that mmo developers took ArenaNET for an example how mmos should be developed and run, considering player's needs and wishes, trying to make a profit but not to ripp off customers, organizing real life social events where players can meet etc.

We can just play GW, prepare our armors, weapons, heros and titles and eagerly await the arrival of GW2, coz it will be PERPETUAL and UNINSTANCED world

Ok I played Guild Wars for almost 3 years and I think it is the best non-subscription online game there is but at the same time being a non-subscription game the pve content is very limited. Guild Wars pve content simply can't compete than what other mmo games offer such as WOW and Lotro. Guild Wars is a nice pvp game but as far as pve content you really need to have all 3 campaigns plus the expansion to gain the max potential it has to offer. Obviosuly i hit the wall with the game and taking a nice break from it until Guild Wars 2 hits the shelves. Currently I'm playing Lotro because it just offers so much more.

It's not an MMO...

I don't care for the argument that it is better than current MMOs because there are many games that are better than the current MMOs.  There is a reason people play MMOs (because they want to!).  I don't care if GW is a good game, I would rather play an MMO.

Current MMOs suck because developers have forgotten the whole "MMO" portion of the genre and what makes that so special.  People play MMOs because they are MMOs, not because they are good RPGs.

Edit:  Also, many MMOs have a lot more content.  Subscription fees are the best way to go about making an MMO.  I would like to pay once and play the game in its entirety than become just another consumer that'll purchase this and that.  (That is probably more of an argument about the fundamentals of MMOs and immersion than anything)

Actually it is an MMO. Unless you define MMO as having to have a monthly fee.

An MMO, at its heart, is all about playing the game WITH a massive amount of other people.

Having only a common area really doesn't qualify as playing the game with a massive amount of other people.

I recently stopped playing GW.

It was a fun game since i finished proph,Factions,NF and EotN story campaigns and pvp'd my butt off for a while I decided to leave.

the game is fun and those who say its mostly a single player game are wrong they have some really good group only zones and the Dungeons recently released are awesome.

Some people may not like the short leveling but the game doesnt start till ur level 20 anyway and the storyline is only 5-10% complete by that time.

Tons of stuff to do in guild wars and it took me about a year and a half to do all the PVE content.

Just make sure you find a guild willing to do the pve material and not one that only cares for GvG combat.

Oh and to the OP you only seem to care that GW is free but i wouldnt consider 100 bucks or more free if you buy all the games and Xpac. thats like 6 months of subs with a normal MMO.

Originally posted by Stormblaest

When will you people realise that Guild Wars is the one and only COMPLETE MMO product in the world. It has everything that buyer / user makes content and happy:

1. more then reasonable price, it's almost free;
2. for your money u get rediculous, mindboggeling amount of gameplay;
3. NO MONTHLY FEE;
4. all mmo aspects are there (and at an excellent level also): pve, pvp, economy, community ...;
5. meaningfull game that has a purpose  - what you accomplish is going to be transfered to future release GW2;
6. excellent storyline in every single campaign, its like reading a book;
7. EXCELLENT gameplay, i mean this game is really so flexable and playable;
8. runs on piece of crap machines like totaly average kitchen blender;
9. distribution is awsome, u can get this game in convinient stores in godforsaken countries like mine ;) ;
10. support is good (i got my money back when i accidentaly screwed up internet purchase)
11. did i mentioned that theres no ball-breaking monthly fees;
12. NO BUGS whatsoever - theres like so small bugs that vast majority of players wont even notice, and those get fixed at lightspeed;
13. Constant little, considerate tweaks that make this game probably most balanced in the world
14. ... whatever i cant remember at the moment

GUILD WARS

(excuse my gammer)
 
Oh and btw. this comes from a guy who thinks that only true rpgs are games like fallout 1&2, BG 1&1, Icewind Dale, Planescape Torment, The Elder Scrolls all, everything else by Interplay-Blackisle, KOTOR and everything else by Bethsoft ...

To moderators: i hope this is on topic, or off topic or whatever it needs to be to stay on forums

i can see where you are coming from...but

1. customer support blows

2. there are bugs every now and then

3. the ability to buy your way through the game with RL cash

4. the game is basically a lobby looking for server to join for pvp, no persistent world....GW2 would be something to look at, but i dunno

What is the point of arguing over the term MMO?  GW is a game, that is all that matters.  It is a good game, no argument about it.  Is it the best game, not for me.  Is it the only game worth playing, definitely not.

Not here to dismiss GW, I admit I had my moments of pleasure, leveling one of each combo, and yes I need to buy 3 accounts to have enough slots and even then I cannot try all combos.  The game is very flexible, you can respec almost costlessly, so long as you kill enough mobs after each respec.

The real limitation of this game is content.  The PVE for the first game is pathetic.  You have a fixed path to walk you cannot go elsewhere, for places you can see, you cannot go unless the game allows you.  Its very linear.  There is not enough diversity.  Compare with the major releases like WoW, EQ2, or even LOTRo, there is just not enough variety and acitivities to keep me coming back.

All games will grow old some day.  There is just that much attraction, and it diminishes everytime I log in and repeat it.  GW hit that point of no return much faster, and unfortunately once I reach that point, I have no more urge to return some day, even if its free.  I will stop WoW, LOTRo, and later return and retry.  For GW I won't.  So what if its free?  If I am not going back it does not matter if it cost a million or is free.  If I do not feel the urge to play anymore, price is irrelevant.

GW is a fun concept, and yes I will go try GW2 when its finally out, just to see how much magic there is in the new title.  GW once gave me weeks of fun, maybe GW2 will do better.

M.M.O.R.P.G.

Massive- seems preety massive to me.  Lots of content. Tons of retail sales.

Multiplayer- I seem to be playing with tons of people.

Online- Hey look my game has a ping on it . I guess I'm ONLINE.

Role Playing- I'm a warrior/monk ingame but irl I'm  not.... hmmmm I must be PLAYING a ROLE.

Game- Yep it's a game.

All you wow nerds go role ur undead rogues/ night elf hunters and go around ganking lowbies in stonetalon or hillsbrad while logical thinkers play their MMORPG.  Go ahead and argue that its not one.  I don't care it's just really annoying.  You all want every mmo to be like wow and if it is u say it sucks and its a clone.  GTFO WOW FAGS!!!!

there is no doubt that GW is an mmorpg, i think people dont like the fact that it is a persistant world...im not gonna say, for example wow, because wow is a PoS game...i wish they made games like the old UO again =/ just gotta wait for darkfall i guess

1. Avatar controls are very different and that's a personal taste of course for PvP.

2. Preloading of zones and hopping from one point to another makes it far less immersive. RP element is gone.

3. Lack of consistent PVE worlds makes it a cross between TF2 and an MMORPG like Wow or LOTRO.

Imagine if GW had a subscription rate just like Wow.... because as a free game it still has only about 5% of the playing time Wow has (see Xfire samples).

If it was that good for most people  it would easely be the number one played game by a long shot.

It is of course by far the best MMO-game for free, but it plays in another league at the moment.

I also see a lot of very young kids play it, because they can't afford (or allowed) subcriptions

GW lives from the sales of its expansion boxes and that's just way too short to survive on the long run if you would like massive consistent worlds and dungeons.

Even a 200K sub game makes more money than  a yearly expansion selling 1 million copies.

Bleh Guildwars gets boring fast!

Originally posted by Vicksburg

Even a 200K sub game makes more money than  a yearly expansion selling 1 million copies.

you are incorrect,  both COX and GW are NCSoft        

GW is their best cash maker after the  Lineage series, making almost double the cash of COX

Q1 2008 Financials

www.gamespot.com/news/6190983.html

Of all the company's games, Lineage II fared the best, scoring approx 36 billion won for the company ($34 million) and 43 percent of the total sales for the quarter. The second most popular game was the first Lineage, with sales of 29 billion won ($27 million) and 35 percent of total sales.

Guild Wars took 9.5 billion won ($9 million) and 12 percent of sales, and City of Heroes/City of Villains took 5.4 billion won ($4.7 million) and 7 percent of sales.

After being impressed by the visuals, I was met with PATHS on the ground I couldn't stray from, a restricted environment that basically forced me to follow rails with invisisble walls everywhere.   LAME!!!  The gameplay was the same as any other MMO.  But with everything instanced, I didn't care about exploring anything and the PvE was mostly non-existant and generic.  I had no interest in playing a MMO-lite PvP battleground game so I never got past the beta.   Not my thing.

I enjoy full featured MMOs with persistant worlds to explore.  I want to build a character and feel somewhat invested in him/her.  If all I want to do is log on and PvP in battlegrounds every once in a while, I'll play an FPS. 

GW is a very good game.

But is not my tea cup.

Here are my deal-breakers:

- Controls. I dislike the control system of GW. I am used to different control systems.

- PVE. I dislike the PVE in GW.

- Overall skill system. I am used to games with 80 skills where you have to spam 4. Maybe that is dumb, and maybe the GW system is better, but I feel strange with the GW system.

Originally posted by RogueSeven

 

i can see where you are coming from...but

 

1. customer support blows

2. there are bugs every now and then

3. the ability to buy your way through the game with RL cash

4. the game is basically a lobby looking for server to join for pvp, no persistent world....GW2 would be something to look at, but i dunno

1. have you actually ever tried their customer service? I have,  and I was treated better than I have been by any company  I have tried to deal with in the gaming industry. They were polite, friendly and truely appeared as if they wanted to help me. So I have no clue what you are talking about.  They have treated their players with respect and  they care so much about their players that they actually gave away real prizes at tourneys.  They gave away Ipods, video cards... computers it really was impressive.  With the treatment i received  through their customer service, I can't imagine anyone having a problem with them.

2. Their bugs are wayy less than any other game I have played.. what are you comparing this to?

3.Why would anyone want to buy their way through this game? The way it is designed is that you do not need  many items or time to be able to  compete and enjoy the game, with this comment i am starting to wonder if you have ever even played this game because from that statement it seems that we are not even talking about the same game.  What  is there to buy?  to pay someone to go get your elite skills for you or something? Because that is all I can imagine that anyone  could possibly want to buy in the game. Everything in the game is very easily obtained through the natural progress of the game so there is no need for grinding or buying anything.

4.Now since I spend most of my time either in guild halls or in actual pvp I did not feel like it was  that way. I agree that guild wars 2 persistant world will be a great benefit to this game , and can;t wait for it to come out. I did not have the same expierance as you did with the game though .. looks to me like it was the exact opposite expierance.

The first M in MMORPG doesn't stand for massive.  It stands for massively, as in Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game.

You see, massive amounts of content aren't nearly the same thing as massively-multiplayer.  THAT is the real essence, the core of the entire genre.  Sure the game is great (if you like it).  There's not much wrong with it, but it is NOT an MMO.  So why is it being discussed as if it were? 

"To keep GvG fair, all players participating will have their characters temporarily modified to a set level, so all abilities, skills and equipment items will be the same as everyone else participating in the battle"

Thats why I wont play GW or GW2 because no matter what kind of gear you have it wont matter in Guild versus Guild battles and it also is retarded that they are just bringing guild wars to a game thats name is guild wars.

Originally posted by mets2005

"To keep GvG fair, all players participating will have their characters temporarily modified to a set level, so all abilities, skills and equipment items will be the same as everyone else participating in the battle"

 

Thats why I wont play GW or GW2 because no matter what kind of gear you have it wont matter in Guild versus Guild battles and it also is retarded that they are just bringing guild wars to a game thats name is guild wars.

okay.. I am trying to understand your point here. They have made the game based more on real player skill instead of how many levels you earned in game or how much $ you spent on gear and you think this is a bad thing? Are you kidding me? That is what makes it awesome. It allows for players to use real strategy and skill to fight rather than noob gear, this is what the games have been needing all along. So that when you fight someone that you know that you lost or won out of real skill rather than some in game gear, or that you have played the game longer. That way you lose a battle fair and square because you both had the same in game opportunities. If this bothers you so much I think you need to think about that a bit more because I would much rather be defeated by a better player than by a player with better gear. I respect a player that out witted me, not a player that out  geared me.  I mean if you have your choice between being beaten by a player with better gear and a player with better real life skills which do you really want? Keep practicing maybe you will get to that level of  pvp that gear and levels do not mean as much as the satisfaction of beating a great player simply because you had better real skills than they did. That you contolled the fight, that you were able to predict what they were going to do and was prepared to counter it, that you as a player were  able to defeat them not with any in game items but with your own real skills. think about it... 

As a matter of fact, i'd have to agree. Almost every mmoprg i play does not last much at all. GW lasted and left me with a good impact. Yes at times it felt very "lonely" because of instances but its worked out allright. The story line and quest gameplay is really fun, almost grindless. Unlike instances like diablo 2, where it offered not much end game material.... gw had excellent end game material, PVP. There was just SO many skill/profession combinations and so many builds out there. Surely you could copy a groups build but it also takes a lot of teamwork to execute them right. Alot of coordination needed with vent/teamspeak. Im wainting for gw2!!