This game has came on alot since the release there is no arguing that,gameplay wise that is,but social wise the number's just arent there and alot will MAYBE rest on the trial,me for one I love to speak with friends and meet new one's in mmo's and although VG has a nice community I cant help but notice that alot of ppl it seems log on 5 mins before a raid and log off 5 mins after,at least that is what I am finding and when they are in the raid it is hard to squeeze a word out of them and so you turn to general chat which can get very quiet at time's.

I remember a poll on this forum asking what you enjoyed about mmo's the most and they listed answer's like

1.crafting 2.questing 3.meeting new ppl 4.chatting with friends  etc etc

What they never had was 1.chatting with friends while crafting 2.chatting with friends while questing.

There is a decent game in VG but I cant help but feel it missed the boat and although I am 35 cant help but feel maybe having a community which I would guage average around the 25-35 year's old bracket isnt always the best as we all have live's outside of games and families and logging on 5 mins before a raid and logging out 5 mins after really does destroy the social aspect.

Anyway I will see how it pans out after the trial is offered but with other AAA title's on the way maybe VG needs a couple of AoC release's to have a good chance.

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Originally posted by daylight01
This game has came on alot since the release there is no arguing that,gameplay wise that is,but social wise the number's just arent there and alot will MAYBE rest on the trial,me for one I love to speak with friends and meet new one's in mmo's and although VG has a nice community I cant help but notice that alot of ppl it seems log on 5 mins before a raid and log off 5 mins after,at least that is what I am finding and when they are in the raid it is hard to squeeze a word out of them and so you turn to general chat which can get very quiet at time's.
I remember a poll on this forum asking what you enjoyed about mmo's the most and they listed answer's like
1.crafting 2.questing 3.meeting new ppl 4.chatting with friends  etc etc
What they never had was 1.chatting with friends while crafting 2.chatting with friends while questing.
There is a decent game in VG but I cant help but feel it missed the boat and although I am 35 cant help but feel maybe having a community which I would guage average around the 25-35 year's old bracket isnt always the best as we all have live's outside of games and families and logging on 5 mins before a raid and 5 mins after really does destroy the social aspect.
Anyway I will see how it pans out after the trial is offered but with other AAA title's on the way maybe VG needs a couple of AoC release's to have a good chance.

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Don't worry it will get another boost shortly after WAR crashes and burns.

I agree, VG doesn't seem to have its group of hardcores (or not nearly as many).  I persinally love playing with both hardcores and casuals, as they both offer a different experience and new friends.

It seems everyone in Vanguard is a lot more casual and doesn't have its group of hardcores.  I really think that the trial can change this, though, and it can really help this problem.

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Originally posted by mike470
I agree, VG doesn't seem to have its group of hardcores (or not nearly as many).  I persinally love playing with both hardcores and casuals, as they both offer a different experience and new friends.
It seems everyone in Vanguard is a lot more casual and doesn't have its group of hardcores.  I really think that the trial can change this, though, and it can really help this problem.

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Honestly what happened was that all the Hardcores started the game, grinded like mad to 50 and quickly realized they had nothing to raid. They then felt completely stupid for having spent 20 hours a day grinding to be first and quit the game in an explosion of whining.

Then there are those of us who like to take our time and enjoy the game and only become hardcore raiders when it's absolutely necessary to see that side of the content.

Originally posted by Copeland

 

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Originally posted by mike470
I agree, VG doesn't seem to have its group of hardcores (or not nearly as many).  I persinally love playing with both hardcores and casuals, as they both offer a different experience and new friends.
It seems everyone in Vanguard is a lot more casual and doesn't have its group of hardcores.  I really think that the trial can change this, though, and it can really help this problem.

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Honestly what happened was that all the Hardcores started the game, grinded like mad to 50 and quickly realized they had nothing to raid. They then felt completely stupid for having spent 20 hours a day grinding to be first and quit the game in an explosion of whining.

Dosent take away the fact mate that the casual gamer's only log on too raid then quickly log off again,it really doesnt come off atm as an mmo,

I see ppl logging on and saying "hi room in the raid"the next time you will hear that person is when they say either "nn good raid" or "ok cya end of the week if there is room"

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Originally posted by daylight01

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Originally posted by Copeland

 

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Originally posted by mike470
I agree, VG doesn't seem to have its group of hardcores (or not nearly as many).  I persinally love playing with both hardcores and casuals, as they both offer a different experience and new friends.
It seems everyone in Vanguard is a lot more casual and doesn't have its group of hardcores.  I really think that the trial can change this, though, and it can really help this problem.

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Honestly what happened was that all the Hardcores started the game, grinded like mad to 50 and quickly realized they had nothing to raid. They then felt completely stupid for having spent 20 hours a day grinding to be first and quit the game in an explosion of whining.

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Dosent take away the fact mate that the casual gamer's only log on too raid then quickly log off again,it really doesnt come off atm as an mmo,
I see ppl logging on and saying "hi room in the raid"the next time you will hear that person is when they say either "nn good raid" or "ok cya end of the week if there is room"
 

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I guess if you limit yourself to your guild yeah that could be a problem. I see plenty of chatting going on.

I see you are in the states and most likely on s US server,halgar(EU server) can be busy like I said in the op but it is mostly just new guys asking questions which is fine but there is never that buzz of chat atm you find in other mmo's and can go very quiet,Dont get me wrong I aint knocking VG as I have tried it 3 time's now and it has came along way since release but it still has quite a way to go.

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Originally posted by daylight01
I see you are in the states and most likely on s US server,halgar(EU server) can be busy like I said in the op but it is mostly just new guys asking questions which is fine but there is never that buzz of chat atm you find in other mmo's and can go very quiet,Dont get me wrong I aint knocking VG as I have tried it 3 time's now and it has came along way since release but it still has quite a way to go.

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I guess what you're saying is it needs more of a player base so that there are more friends to make and socialize with. I totally agree but that only happens 1 person at a time ya know.

I agree with you and enjoy chatting while tasking in mmo's.  I prefer finding more mature players and find myself usually disabling the general chat.  I try to find a small guild that fits my personality and stick with it.  I found a good one in Vanguard and had some great experiences.  Its just nice to log in and have everyone who is on ask how you are doing.  I moved across the country about 6 months ago and have yet to start up my subscription again.  I thought AoC would keep me away from VG but I keep thinking about going back.

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Originally posted by CosbySweater
I agree with you and enjoy chatting while tasking in mmo's.  I prefer finding more mature players and find myself usually disabling the general chat.  I try to find a small guild that fits my personality and stick with it.  I found a good one in Vanguard and had some great experiences.  Its just nice to log in and have everyone who is on ask how you are doing.  I moved across the country about 6 months ago and have yet to start up my subscription again.  I thought AoC would keep me away from VG but I keep thinking about going back.

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Do it.. do it.. you know you want too.. :)

Alright, so the game is missing some people, that doesn't make the game fall short, it can't fix that. People have to realize this MMO is the best PVE MMO out there now before they'll come, this original post won't help people come. And also, these same people that say general chat is empty are the same ones complaining when there are hundreds of 10 year olds calling people asking about a quest "n00b" or talking about your momma and how l33t they are. To me it sounds like you joined a guild with a bunch of 50s that are raiding and they don't stop and help you all the time anymore so you decided to complain, which I can understand your loss of luxury but it doesn't make the game any less fun.

Originally posted by daylight01

I see you are in the states and most likely on s US server,halgar(EU server) can be busy like I said in the op but it is mostly just new guys asking questions which is fine but there is never that buzz of chat atm you find in other mmo's and can go very quiet,Dont get me wrong I aint knocking VG as I have tried it 3 time's now and it has came along way since release but it still has quite a way to go.

In a way I agree with you but I suppose it depends on which games you've come from and what level of chat you expect to see in OOC.

IMO, because VG had a bad start, the community that stayed has grouped into guilds. Because of this, simply, OOC isn't used that much by the long term players. To respond to a newb or to find a group for something specific when no one in their guild is up for it is about the only time I and many of the players in my guild use it.

What's OOC chat used for? IMO either LFG, trading or bullshit. My point is that LFGs are usually done in tells by mainly guild groups looking for a couple more, and crafters have had a hard time of it with the last couple of updates and there is a lot less chat trading. The bullshit doesn't tend to come either as, as you say, the community is quite a mature one.

One thing I think gauges VGs population levels better than anything else is to go to a popular area and adventure there. More often than not I find myself making deals with other (mainly guild) groups about who goes first or which part you'll take and which part they. Adventuring hot spots are pretty busy. Sometimes I even don't like how many people are there, as with contested content it can be a bummer.

I'm lucky, I'm in a guild on Halgar that makes an effort to keep groups going at all level ranges as well as raiding 3 times a week and doing griffon content. I think your view of the game may change if you find a guild that wants to do the same as you.

Originally posted by Cereo

To me it sounds like you joined a guild with a bunch of 50s that are raiding and they don't stop and help you all the time anymore so you decided to complain, which I can understand your loss of luxury but it doesn't make the game any less fun.

Pretty bold statement since you dont even know me,In VG you really dont need a hand as you can easily solo to lvl 50 that wasnt the point I was making,also I wasnt really complaining just putting over my thoughts on the game atm.

you also said " this original post won't help people come" well I would also disagree there as I have also said how well the game has come along and can be alot of fun to play,I am guessing ppl would like to know this also,Like I said in the op I think the trial cant come soon enough for new players to give it a go and with the free month over now how many old players who came back for that month will stay.

I think the OPs statement is valid.

VG in its current incarnation is a good game, nonetheless on halgar the population is a bit low. Lot of people log in to raids and log out after. Thats not different to other games, but its more visible in lower population severs.

The free month Sony offered to me is running  out so some days ago I had to deceide if I resub or leave. I deceided to resub. There are still a lot of smaller bugs, sometimes even a crash and the population could be higher, but I think the advantages I get are enough to justify spending the money. Im having fun atm and thats what games are about.

Originally posted by daylight01

This game has came on alot since the release there is no arguing that,gameplay wise that is,but social wise the number's just arent there and alot will MAYBE rest on the trial,me for one I love to speak with friends and meet new one's in mmo's and although VG has a nice community I cant help but notice that alot of ppl it seems log on 5 mins before a raid and log off 5 mins after,at least that is what I am finding and when they are in the raid it is hard to squeeze a word out of them and so you turn to general chat which can get very quiet at time's.

I remember a poll on this forum asking what you enjoyed about mmo's the most and they listed answer's like

1.crafting 2.questing 3.meeting new ppl 4.chatting with friends  etc etc

What they never had was 1.chatting with friends while crafting 2.chatting with friends while questing.

There is a decent game in VG but I cant help but feel it missed the boat and although I am 35 cant help but feel maybe having a community which I would guage average around the 25-35 year's old bracket isnt always the best as we all have live's outside of games and families and logging on 5 mins before a raid and logging out 5 mins after really does destroy the social aspect.

Anyway I will see how it pans out after the trial is offered but with other AAA title's on the way maybe VG needs a couple of AoC release's to have a good chance.

Hmm I started a new character like 2-3 weeks ago and I gotta say on saradon there is plenty of community and chat.  I love chatting online.  I also like meeting new people and setting up pickup groups.  I've been playing till 22 on my bard and have pretty much exclusively grouped when adventuring.

As to what you say about the raid scene I really have no idea as I haven't really done anything with that or even looked into it.  I know that the people in my guild that are lvl 50 seem to be doing a number of things, crafting, diplomacy, and doing groups in high lvl dungeons and occasionally doing a pickup raid.

So I'm not sure what server you are playing on but I'm seeing a very different experience on my server.

As to VG needing a couple of AoC release's I should hope not AoC updates have been a step backwards each time and I found AoC positively disappointing.  It was good at the start but on the whole I'd say it is even worse then VG was at launch and much worse then VG is now.  I think that VG needs a pop of like 1000-1500 on a server to be pretty good.  If you are on the PvP server I can see what you mean since i doubt they have more then 200 online at any time.

ethion I think you missed the sarcasm in the post regarding VG needing a couple of AoC releases,I was pointing the the fact that there a a couple of AAA titles due soon and if they released like AoC did then that can only be good news for VG.

Also like I have said in a previous post I am on Halgar(EU server).

Originally posted by Copeland

 

 

Don't worry it will get another boost shortly after WAR crashes and burns.

Yes, because the devs (Mythic) creating WAR have failed so consistently in the past with games like DAoC...er, wait a minute.  Well, I'm just sayin.  You could be right, but I'd like to give Mythic the benefit of the doubt due to their past performance.
 

Whatever, this complaint is the exact same as the one where the chat is filled is nub nonsense. A game first releases, the chat is monstrous. First year goes by and the player base decreases and everyone turns to guild chat for socializing and the 'chat' seems like a desert... That's just how it is. Or maybe not in WoW, that's the only MMO I can think of that may have an active chat at all times. And the 1-9 channel in EQ2, but who's got that turned on anymore?

How much effort was put on your part to actually seek out social activity in game? Reminds me of the people in LotrO a year ago whining there was no RP in the game, when it's jam packed with RP you just have to realize that you'll need to join a guild and attend events. You need to actually do something and get informed.

There's not going to be a bustling community in Vanguard right away, it's only starting to look and play pretty well, and realistically it may never be bustling. It doesn't make it any less a fun game, but you're going to have to find yourself a guild with more members to experience the chatting you crave or something similar. Not talking in raids and groups, honestly neither do I, the only way I can do it if I'm on Ventrilo. Typing and concentrating on what I'm doing is distracting.

The small population in Vanguard SOH is worth 100x more than the lousy population you find in WoW. That game makes me a person who enjoys grouping not want to group....

I would agree with that, Qombi.  I recently (month or two ago) started playing Vanguard (and was pleasantly surprised at how far it had come since launch and beta).  I was actually almost shocked by how friendly and helpful the chat on Seradon was.  After playing quite a few other MMOs and ignoring all chat except guild, it was -very- nice to come back to VGuard and have any and all questions that I would ask be answered promptly.  I'd give it a 4 star rating in the Chat Quality category.