http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_MvvD9OqMo

Such challenging and fast paced combat!!

Originally posted by revelatorX

Originally posted by fuzzylojik

Good go for it if you like those 4 points.

1. Not necessarily not all games are grindfest and I'm sorry you've only encountered those.

weather its a fast grind or a slow one all games have a "grind"

Grindfest and grind are 2 different things. Pre-toa daoc didn't have much grind you could PvP after max level and not grind at all.  There's not much grinding in GW I hear as well.

Loads of grinding (rep grind, item grind, quest grind, gold grind)  = grindfest

2. WoW has no massive PvP and world PvP is pretty much dead

so what i already said i dont like PVP

This thread is about PvP and this point is about PvP.  If you dislike PvP then this obviously does not apply to you.  Lots of people like it, so why even respond to this.

3. If you love gear rewards and continuous gear grinding only then WoW is for you.

yes i do, its what keeps me coming back.

Go for it gear gear gear.....

4. PvP content = 4 BG + arenas = pathetic.

that's an opinion so i cant touch it. obviously for you it matters, but not for me.

You can touch this...!!! dun dun dun dun!

If you're a PvE grinder then yeah WoW is probably for you. 

yes, i am.

Grind away then. lots of people don't like continuous grinds.  killing the same mobs over and over for rep and gear sucks.

Wasn't the thread about PvP?  Why you posting about PvE here?

same reason everyone else is. to give their opinion.  besides the thread is supposed to be about several things including the new graphics.

The OPs main topic was about PvP.

 

I gotta say I play a mage as well and even though Locks Rock my socks off all the time cause of that buff eating damn thing. But I must say that hunters 1v1 do not pose to much of a threat to me. If I get ganked by 4 of em yeh I'm screwed but one is typically easy to kill cause he never expects my tactics maybe.

1. Sheep Hunter
2. Kill pet
3. Kill hunter
= live mage in a bubble.

now granted this does not work everytime but I get more wins then loses as long as no others inter"fear".(I made a funny)

Originally posted by HensenLiros

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyacEVIyP-A

So Fast!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sN4Shnr2j8

So manny ppl!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMQnALZKAG4

Powerfull explosion!!! Lighting!!

great examples i especially like the third game.. but I don't think it will ever be released out of beta.. might have a MELTDOWN (pun intended) on peoples computers. And the fans might have an explosive (pun intended) enthusiasm about the game.

Originally posted by baff

Thank god I play shooters.

 

 

PvP in MMO's is the largest dullest suckfest around.

 

I don't suppose questing is the be all and end all of gaming I suppose either, but honestly. That's not for me.

 

 

Intresting ot see how little damage that rogue was doing mind you. I guess there is hope for my nubsly warrior after all.

Agree with you completely here.  To me all MMO PvP is just a diversion.  If I want a true blanced PvP game I'll play TF2.  

Every game that claims to have good PvP is either still in development or dying. (EVE is an exception to this but I'm not into Sci-fi MMO's).  Someone please tell me one fantasy MMORPG that has everything you want in a MMO?  Can't think of one? Aww so we're back to bashing the game that most of you enjoyed long enough to get bored with.  If you leveled to 70 you must have enjoyed the game for at least 6 days out of your life and if you didn't enjoy it, why the heck were you playing it?
 

As for WotLK, I find it ironic that everyone critizes Blizzard for not releasing new content or making improvements to the PvP game.  They've made some additions with WotLK and still people complain.  They're not going to overhaul the game for the minority of PvP focused players.  For the majority PvP will always be nothing more then a diversion from their regular PvE progression.

well put PVP is just a diversion in WOW PVE is the main point of the game anyway. and if you dont grind in one way in a game then you grind in another. ive seen it even in GW which i have one level 20 elementalist in. some people just want the game to go from being focused on PVP instead of PVE and that just isnt going to happen. that is another game.

WOTLK will probably be the NERF AGE later on..

Vicksburg, stop trying to play the victim.  The reason i mentioned PvP was because you said this:

Here is what I call REAL PVP speed: tense - hard - frantic

So stop trying to spin it around on us for calling you out on it.  If you wanted to talk about the Dynamic Shadows, you wouldn't have inserted that line.

And for your information, i'm not a WoW hater either, i always recommend it to new players.

Originally posted by gnat76

Agree with you completely here.  To me all MMO PvP is just a diversion.  If I want a true blanced PvP game I'll play TF2.  

Every game that claims to have good PvP is either still in development or dying. (EVE is an exception to this but I'm not into Sci-fi MMO's). 

Oh man.
 

Eve's PvP is about the worst I have ever had the mispleasure to try. Don't start me off.

I do like Sci-fi. But that game is dismal for PvP. It's a new low.

Hey vicks could you proof that you are not just a blind wow fanboi by posting at least 1 negative aspect of wow?

I guess not.....

Originally posted by baff

Originally posted by gnat76

Agree with you completely here.  To me all MMO PvP is just a diversion.  If I want a true blanced PvP game I'll play TF2.  

Every game that claims to have good PvP is either still in development or dying. (EVE is an exception to this but I'm not into Sci-fi MMO's). 

Oh man.
 

Eve's PvP is about the worst I have ever had the mispleasure to try. Don't start me off.

I do like Sci-fi. But that game is dismal for PvP. It's a new low.

I've never actually played Eve, but I was just assuming it was good because whenever someone on the board bashes a game they go on about how great EVE is.
 

Didn't see anything new in this video but rated because it had radiohead! usually these mmo videos have terrible music!

Originally posted by fuzzylojik

The Ultimate Failure of WoW PvP

No Massive Objective Based World PvP

The lack of world PvP objectives that actually mean something besides some PvE quest/buff or subpar items in endgame is laughable.  Futhermore, they have packaged all the endgame PvP into 4 BGs and arenas.  This has depleted world PvP together with the lack of world PvP objectives and flying mounts.

Besides ganking and incidental world PvP in the course of levelling or acquiring PvE based objectives, world PvP is a joke.  The main problem was making it item and PvE orientated. 

The ONE new PvP zone in WOTLK Lake Wintergrasp will probably be another transient, loot and scoot item grind and has come too little, too late.

Endgame PvP is 4 BGs + Arenas

The lack of expansion of PvP vs PvE is alarming.  All WoW is doing is upgrading items sets without adding any new PvP content.  In so 4 years there are only 4 BGs and Arena as the staple end-game PvP.

Face it, WoW is not a PvP centric game and never will be.  They have made PvP into a casual friendly small circuit, instanced item grindfest.

Arenas were fun when they started but the gladiatorial style of PvP in now way substitutes for true MMO PvP entirely and should not.

WoW makes you play the same 4 BG and arena 2394023948023948240398 times.  The reason being they are too lazy to implement new PvP content and try to draw out their existing content by making people play the same thing a gabazillion times.  This farce continues as more arena seasons roll buy with casual friendly arena gear being handed out like candy.

They have no clue how to tackle or implement good large scale PvP content or add any PvP progression other than item based, and face it WoW isn't built for it either.

Alas,

Gone are the days of massive keep battles with upwards of 10 guild sieging a castle or keep.

Gone are the days of massive standoffs at takeover points where you see a frontline of massive amounts of people defending and attacking.  Goading each other and trying to find weak spots to charge.

Gone is the realm pride where you coordinated with a ton of other people from different guilds with the same objectives to takeover the enemies key points and achieved it.

Gone is the comraderie that ensues when the horde enemy is nigh and you look at your realm mates next you you as you prepare for the final stand in a small room.

Gone are the tears of joy which erupt when the battle is won versus far superior number by skill, kiting and choke point control.

 

Bring back the days of ole, where sword over sword and staff over staff ring a hundred man strong along the battlefield. 

Where hundreds of arrows whizz overhead as archers line the parapats of the castles and keeps defending them with their bows.

Bring back the days of massive battles, keep sieges and territory control.

Bring back truely massive player versus player combat.

Fail.

When you can use repitition to make a point that does not exist, you ABSOLUTELY must go discover the outside world.

I hear there's phat lewtz and exp gain for discovering your front yard, go for it.

Want to go PvP?

Go enlist and go fulfill the army's primary world PvP objectives.

It's a step in the right direction, and you're just trying your damndest to shut it down.

Every "WoW Killer" to date has been an absolute failure.

Seen the AoC boards lately?

Its all laughable.

You shouldn't put down or look at something with disdain when it is the THE most successful MMORPG on the market, regardless whether you hardcore nerdragers give care or not.

Success is gauged by it's ability to draw the masses, not to satiate the endless ego of some guy who's stuck in this fantasy world.

WoW Wins because of its endless content and large range audience.

You Fail because you don't understand the business world.

Yup Radiohead and WoW, two of my favourite things.

I wonder why everyone is hating on WoW's PvP when there's not a single game in existance that can even touch it for sheer fun factor.   No MMORPG comes close to WoW's feeling of responsiveness, feedback, control and fluidity.   That's why WoW's PVP owns everything else out there.

People complain about balance but it's never as bad as people make out, and certain classes shine in smaller battles, or bigger battles - every class / spec has a role in PvP.  This is why 2v2 fights are so massively different to 5v5 fights.   Why Warsong Gulch plays completely differently to Alterac Valley.

You can hate the game but there's no other game you could compare it to and say it's better than WoW and be taken seriously by anyone other than the die-hards that still play it.

Seriously.

Originally posted by Seraphei

Originally posted by fuzzylojik

The Ultimate Failure of WoW PvP

No Massive Objective Based World PvP

The lack of world PvP objectives that actually mean something besides some PvE quest/buff or subpar items in endgame is laughable.  Futhermore, they have packaged all the endgame PvP into 4 BGs and arenas.  This has depleted world PvP together with the lack of world PvP objectives and flying mounts.

Besides ganking and incidental world PvP in the course of levelling or acquiring PvE based objectives, world PvP is a joke.  The main problem was making it item and PvE orientated. 

The ONE new PvP zone in WOTLK Lake Wintergrasp will probably be another transient, loot and scoot item grind and has come too little, too late.

Endgame PvP is 4 BGs + Arenas

The lack of expansion of PvP vs PvE is alarming.  All WoW is doing is upgrading items sets without adding any new PvP content.  In so 4 years there are only 4 BGs and Arena as the staple end-game PvP.

Face it, WoW is not a PvP centric game and never will be.  They have made PvP into a casual friendly small circuit, instanced item grindfest.

Arenas were fun when they started but the gladiatorial style of PvP in now way substitutes for true MMO PvP entirely and should not.

WoW makes you play the same 4 BG and arena 2394023948023948240398 times.  The reason being they are too lazy to implement new PvP content and try to draw out their existing content by making people play the same thing a gabazillion times.  This farce continues as more arena seasons roll buy with casual friendly arena gear being handed out like candy.

They have no clue how to tackle or implement good large scale PvP content or add any PvP progression other than item based, and face it WoW isn't built for it either.

Alas,

Gone are the days of massive keep battles with upwards of 10 guild sieging a castle or keep.

Gone are the days of massive standoffs at takeover points where you see a frontline of massive amounts of people defending and attacking.  Goading each other and trying to find weak spots to charge.

Gone is the realm pride where you coordinated with a ton of other people from different guilds with the same objectives to takeover the enemies key points and achieved it.

Gone is the comraderie that ensues when the horde enemy is nigh and you look at your realm mates next you you as you prepare for the final stand in a small room.

Gone are the tears of joy which erupt when the battle is won versus far superior number by skill, kiting and choke point control.

 

Bring back the days of ole, where sword over sword and staff over staff ring a hundred man strong along the battlefield. 

Where hundreds of arrows whizz overhead as archers line the parapats of the castles and keeps defending them with their bows.

Bring back the days of massive battles, keep sieges and territory control.

Bring back truely massive player versus player combat.

 

Fail.

 

When you can use repitition to make a point that does not exist, you ABSOLUTELY must go discover the outside world.

 

I hear there's phat lewtz and exp gain for discovering your front yard, go for it.

Want to go PvP?

Go enlist and go fulfill the army's primary world PvP objectives.

It's a step in the right direction, and you're just trying your damndest to shut it down.

Every "WoW Killer" to date has been an absolute failure.

Seen the AoC boards lately?

Its all laughable.

You shouldn't put down or look at something with disdain when it is the THE most successful MMORPG on the market, regardless whether you hardcore nerdragers give care or not.

Success is gauged by it's ability to draw the masses, not to satiate the endless ego of some guy who's stuck in this fantasy world.

WoW Wins because of its endless content and large range audience.

You Fail because you don't understand the business world.

LMAO.

1 post count. resort to posting on alts have you.

Personal attacks on a mmo board about "discovering the outside world and joining the army?"  Resorting to that are we?  Well I'll be above that and not retort to your childishness. 

Now, now don't get all mad, it's funny tho you said to join the army and compared it with mmo PvP.  What a tool.  Why don't you ask the kids playing halo or COD to do the same thing or the gamers playing CS to go blow up stuff?  See how your arguments don't hold water?

PvP success for wow is because of good alternatives, that's all (as seen by lack of completeness of AoC).

"Endless content" - that's your fanboism showing.  No game has endless content at any stage and WoW has 4 BGs and arenas is far from endless PvP content. 

What's this "endless content" you are talking about with regards to PvP which was the primary topic in my post please elaborate..... oh wait did you mean the same content which is replayed over and over?

You fail because you didn't even debate a single point in my post and posted on an alt with 1 post count.

Did you talk about the world PvP or endgame progressive world PvP objectives? 

Did you talk about the repetition of 4 BG and arenas into a grindfest for gear?

Did you talk about the massive factor missing in PvP?  I don't see any counterarguments.....

You're pretty much are ultimate fail Mr. 1 post count.

Of course PvP in Wow is excellent....  in the fights .... It's the speed that counts,

NOT the hairs on your head.

That's why I showed the new vdieo footage with the new lightning and shadow casting in my OP.
 

The PvP WAS already more fluent, fast, hectic than other (stiff) MMORPG animations , but the new graphics make it even more dynamic.

Balance of classes these days is a rocket science to Blizzard tx to the analysis of Arena.

I just counted this evenings battlegrounds in WOW: in prime time at least 40 were active in each  BG on our server.

That's 160 battles going on ranging from 20 players to 80 players in each of the BG and (this +/- 6000 players) multiply it with dozens of Battlegroups (12 or more servers clustered).

That's tens of thousands of players who fight in the BG's - at the same moment -.EU servers only

Incredible that some would let you believe PvP is crap in Wow.

At level 70 you hardly have to wait for a BG to open (in fact for the horde it's zero waiting time).

So WOW PvP is very much being played,  it's very popular whatever the haters on this forum say on their visit to haters world. As for open world PvP: on PVP servers every night there are the open world daily quest fights in HALAA (Nagrand) and TEROKKAR fOREST, so here it depends on your server activity. Please play on a well known PvP server and have fun :))).

---

As for those guys who say that I never have a negative comment about Wow.

Well a few days ago I said that the new arena rated gear for BG's is an error from Blizzard.

People need to be motivated to play: with putting on a rating on 80% of the arena gear and a handful of BG gear, some people are demotivated to play, because they play with setups with friends just to enjoy the game. and will never arrive at 1550+ ratings.

Now arena becomes even harder to them and so motivation should always be high in a game.

Arena IS hard, and I am conviced that a percantage of those so called hard core Pvp-ers that want another game like WAR just had their heads offered too much in this competition.

It's always better to hide in the masses of some grey zone of world PvP than indeed have your personal (lacking) Arena ratings showed up on the armory of the internet or in game for inspection.

Having downed the bosses in Black Temple and having an arena rating (visible to everyone) of say a low 1375 is not some thing you want to show off do you?

That is the real reason some people complain (the old PVE raiders are NOT always the guys with the fastest eye-hand coordination) so they vent, but all in all it's up to Blizzard to solve this "embarassement" showing of all players ratings.

Like someone else said: a class is never balanced one on one, but in 5 vs 5 the class talents are the best tools to develop the classes further (and we've seen it in the last year already).

So yes, a lot of people are more than pleased to hide in the grey masses of so called world PvP, and I bet you these are exaclty the ones who SHOUT the most here as so called "real PvP-ers". Nothing could be fiurther from the truth of course.

... because the first condition of a game is balancing elements and up until now (excluding the techniques used in WotLK) world PvP in MMORPG's are based on ... complete unbalanced situations.

---

Last remark : next week the open world Pvp will already begin on the WotLK Beta servers.

See you there. :)))))

Tx for the support guys. The forum of World of warcraft is far from being owned by haters.

Tx.

Originally posted by Vicksburg

Of course PvP in Wow is excellent....  in the fights .... It's the speed that counts,

NOT the hairs on your head.

That's why I showed the new vdieo footage with the new lightning and shadow casting in my OP.
 

The PvP WAS already more fluent, fast, hectic than other (stiff) MMORPG animations , but the new graphics make it even more dynamic.

Balance of classes these days is a rocket science to Blizzard tx to the analysis of Arena.

I just counted this evenings battlegrounds in WOW: in prime time at least 40 were active in each  BG on our server.

That's 160 battles going on ranging from 20 players to 80 players in each of the BG and (this +/- 6000 players) multiply it with dozens of Battlegroups (12 or more servers clustered).

That's tens of thousands of players who fight in the BG's - at the same moment -.EU servers only

Incredible that some would let you believe PvP is crap in Wow.

At level 70 you hardly have to wait for a BG to open (in fact for the horde it's zero waiting time).

So WOW PvP is very much being played,  it's very popular whatever the haters on this forum say on their visit to haters world. As for open world PvP: on PVP servers every night there are the open world daily quest fights in HALAA (Nagrand) and TEROKKAR fOREST, so here it depends on your server activity. Please play on a well known PvP server and have fun :))).

---

As for those guys who say that I never have a negative comment about Wow.

Well a few days ago I said that the new arena rated gear for BG's is an error from Blizzard.

People need to be motivated to play: with putting on a rating on 80% of the arena gear and a handful of BG gear, some people are demotivated to play, because they play with setups with friends just to enjoy the game. and will never arrive at 1550+ ratings.

Now arena becomes even harder to them and so motivation should always be high in a game.

Arena IS hard, and I am conviced that a percantage of those so called hard core Pvp-ers that want another game like WAR just had their heads offered too much in this competition.

It's always better to hide in the masses of some grey zone of world PvP than indeed have your personal (lacking) Arena ratings showed up on the armory of the internet or in game for inspection.

Having downed the bosses in Black Temple and having an arena rating (visible to everyone) of say a low 1375 is not some thing you want to show off do you?

That is the real reason some people complain (the old PVE raiders are NOT always the guys with the fastest eye-hand coordination) so they vent, but all in all it's up to Blizzard to solve this "embarassement" showing of all players ratings.

Like someone else said: a class is never balanced one on one, but in 5 vs 5 the class talents are the best tools to develop the classes further (and we've seen it in the last year already).

So yes, a lot of people are more than pleased to hide in the grey masses of so called world PvP, and I bet you these are exaclty the ones who SHOUT the most here as so called "real PvP-ers". Nothing could be fiurther from the truth of course.

... because the first condition of a game is balancing elements and up until now (excluding the techniques used in WotLK) world PvP in MMORPG's are based on ... complete unbalanced situations.

---

Last remark : next week the open world Pvp will already begin on the WotLK Beta servers.

See you there. :)))))

Tx for the support guys. The forum of World of warcraft is far from being owned by haters.

Tx.

 

Its the content that count and WoW lacks PvP content. 4 BGs and arena is sad after 4 years.

If you have 4 hairs on your head even if they are really big its worse than a full head of thin hair.

PvP animations were never the problem.  It is lack of PvP content.

Who cares about how full BGs are if there are only 4 BGs to play over and over.

I don't see WoW as faster or "frantic" as you call it than other mmorpgs on the market.

I got gladiator in arena and full s3 b4 i quit so your argument about not competitive does not hold water.

What's sad is there is a world but no world PvP.  Everything is packaged into instances for endgame PvP.

World PvP is still dead.  If you don't like massive world PvP what's the point of having an MMO?  Just play a multiplayer FPS.

WoW now consists of fighting in the same instances over and over.  It was fun for a while but it got boring fast.

So guess what I saw yesterday in IF?  it was this leet duel between 2 epiced out 70s, so it must have been totally fast, twitchy and exciting right?

One player stood still, never moved then entire fight, and pressed 2 buttons, they won.

Flash heal spam, consecrate every 8 seconds, thats all.  they managed to win standing still, pressing 2 buttons, and the fight only lasted about 2-3min.

So apparently that is fast paced leet action.  no thanks, you can have your leet WoW PvP, i'll enjoy not winning by standing still pressing 2 buttons.

oh, and for good measure, another really awsome tense - hard - frantic WoW arena fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHJqUErv2iQ&feature=related

Originally posted by Majinash

So guess what I saw yesterday in IF?  it was this leet duel between 2 epiced out 70s, so it must have been totally fast, twitchy and exciting right?

 

One player stood still, never moved then entire fight, and pressed 2 buttons, they won.

 

Flash heal spam, consecrate every 8 seconds, thats all.  they managed to win standing still, pressing 2 buttons, and the fight only lasted about 2-3min.

 

So apparently that is fast paced leet action.  no thanks, you can have your leet WoW PvP, i'll enjoy not winning by standing still pressing 2 buttons.

 

oh, and for good measure, another really awsome tense - hard - frantic WoW arena fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHJqUErv2iQ&feature=related

LOL
 

Good staging show. Those avatars wouldn't survive 15 seconds in arena.

That's why it was staged with the Gnome standing still as a watcher for 3 minutes.

I laugh at the people that say Arena is about pushing 2 buttons: THEY are the ones gotting the 1200 lowest ratings and get owend all the time.

They are the ones with embarassing score on the armory websites as they scream Oh my God I want to have some world PvP.

It is good to be in the grey masses of world PvP when you only can bash 2 buttons.

Just watch the championships in arena and look how professional players play.

BTW the animation was 10 x better than War's - even with this staging battle.

Within a few days the open world PvP of WOTLK begins on Beta.

So we are DISCUSSING present and future WotLK NOT Wow anno 2007 :))))

Originally posted by fuzzylojik

Originally posted by Vicksburg

Of course PvP in Wow is excellent....  in the fights .... It's the speed that counts,

NOT the hairs on your head.

That's why I showed the new vdieo footage with the new lightning and shadow casting in my OP.
 

The PvP WAS already more fluent, fast, hectic than other (stiff) MMORPG animations , but the new graphics make it even more dynamic.

Balance of classes these days is a rocket science to Blizzard tx to the analysis of Arena.

I just counted this evenings battlegrounds in WOW: in prime time at least 40 were active in each  BG on our server.

That's 160 battles going on ranging from 20 players to 80 players in each of the BG and (this +/- 6000 players) multiply it with dozens of Battlegroups (12 or more servers clustered).

That's tens of thousands of players who fight in the BG's - at the same moment -.EU servers only

Incredible that some would let you believe PvP is crap in Wow.

At level 70 you hardly have to wait for a BG to open (in fact for the horde it's zero waiting time).

So WOW PvP is very much being played,  it's very popular whatever the haters on this forum say on their visit to haters world. As for open world PvP: on PVP servers every night there are the open world daily quest fights in HALAA (Nagrand) and TEROKKAR fOREST, so here it depends on your server activity. Please play on a well known PvP server and have fun :))).

---

As for those guys who say that I never have a negative comment about Wow.

Well a few days ago I said that the new arena rated gear for BG's is an error from Blizzard.

People need to be motivated to play: with putting on a rating on 80% of the arena gear and a handful of BG gear, some people are demotivated to play, because they play with setups with friends just to enjoy the game. and will never arrive at 1550+ ratings.

Now arena becomes even harder to them and so motivation should always be high in a game.

Arena IS hard, and I am conviced that a percantage of those so called hard core Pvp-ers that want another game like WAR just had their heads offered too much in this competition.

It's always better to hide in the masses of some grey zone of world PvP than indeed have your personal (lacking) Arena ratings showed up on the armory of the internet or in game for inspection.

Having downed the bosses in Black Temple and having an arena rating (visible to everyone) of say a low 1375 is not some thing you want to show off do you?

That is the real reason some people complain (the old PVE raiders are NOT always the guys with the fastest eye-hand coordination) so they vent, but all in all it's up to Blizzard to solve this "embarassement" showing of all players ratings.

Like someone else said: a class is never balanced one on one, but in 5 vs 5 the class talents are the best tools to develop the classes further (and we've seen it in the last year already).

So yes, a lot of people are more than pleased to hide in the grey masses of so called world PvP, and I bet you these are exaclty the ones who SHOUT the most here as so called "real PvP-ers". Nothing could be fiurther from the truth of course.

... because the first condition of a game is balancing elements and up until now (excluding the techniques used in WotLK) world PvP in MMORPG's are based on ... complete unbalanced situations.

---

Last remark : next week the open world Pvp will already begin on the WotLK Beta servers.

See you there. :)))))

Tx for the support guys. The forum of World of warcraft is far from being owned by haters.

Tx.

 

 

Its the content that count and WoW lacks PvP content. 4 BGs and arena is sad after 4 years.

If you have 4 hairs on your head even if they are really big its worse than a full head of thin hair.

PvP animations were never the problem.  It is lack of PvP content.

Who cares about how full BGs are if there are only 4 BGs to play over and over.

I don't see WoW as faster or "frantic" as you call it than other mmorpgs on the market.

I got gladiator in arena and full s3 b4 i quit so your argument about not competitive does not hold water.

What's sad is there is a world but no world PvP.  Everything is packaged into instances for endgame PvP.

World PvP is still dead.  If you don't like massive world PvP what's the point of having an MMO?  Just play a multiplayer FPS.

WoW now consists of fighting in the same instances over and over.  It was fun for a while but it got boring fast.

World PvP is NOT dead on PVP servers in WOW. Proof of it every night in Haala.

besides this thread is about Wrath of the Lich King wich emphasis on an ORGANISED and BALACED world PvP zone (even on PVE servers - because PVP is ON automatically) ,

This time :...organised and balanced world PvP controlled by designers... Blizzard said  and I think they will deliver in view of their past track record.

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