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Originally posted by Shohadaku

Originally posted by Draccan

If it is going to have classes it most likely will just be another rehash of all the wow and eq clones

 

KOTOR had classes and was made well before WoW.

WoW didn't invent classes. Bioware has a history of success without needing to ride anyones coatail. Go research the numbers of KOTOR sales alone, not to mention their other titles.

I would love a open skill based system but I am assuming from reading Biowares article stating their opinions of classes this game will have classes.

OMG! That MMO has a tree in it! They ripped WoW off!

OMG that character has 2 eyes! What a WoW ripoff!

Games have had classes in them since before home computers. Lets take a look at old D&D first addition pen and paper for a start.

Stupid. Plain stupid.

What I am talking about is that all these class and level based mmos are all the same. It is as if the developers just take the cookie cutter way of doing things. No real re-invention of the genre. No attempt to make something new.

Originally posted by Force_Fire

Any chance of an E3 announcement?

Lucas Arts has pulled out of the organization that runs E3. They were one of the main companies, but since parted ways.

You will most likely NOT hear anything about Lucas Arts from E3

Originally posted by Draccan

Originally posted by Shohadaku

Originally posted by Draccan

If it is going to have classes it most likely will just be another rehash of all the wow and eq clones

 

KOTOR had classes and was made well before WoW.

WoW didn't invent classes. Bioware has a history of success without needing to ride anyones coatail. Go research the numbers of KOTOR sales alone, not to mention their other titles.

I would love a open skill based system but I am assuming from reading Biowares article stating their opinions of classes this game will have classes.

OMG! That MMO has a tree in it! They ripped WoW off!

OMG that character has 2 eyes! What a WoW ripoff!

Games have had classes in them since before home computers. Lets take a look at old D&D first addition pen and paper for a start.

 

Stupid. Plain stupid.

What I am talking about is that all these class and level based mmos are all the same. It is as if the developers just take the cookie cutter way of doing things. No real re-invention of the genre. No attempt to make something new.

 

From the quality I have seen come from Bioware I am comfortable believing they will push the bar for MMO's

They have a strong team assembled. Don't fail it before you see it.

I agree I would want a open skill based system. I love EVE for that and old SWG Pre CU (EMU IS IN OPEN BETA!!!!!)

Originally posted by jayanti

Before you all go nuts, remember that its 99.9% likely any and all issues / problems / design choices made concerning SWG were directives from LucasArts (who are so in control of anything SW related its untrue) and therefore any new SW MMO, especially one they are clearly going to be even tighter in charge of, will in all likelyhood go the same way. Lucas killed the movies by making the phantom crap, he killed SWG by adding the changes, and he will kill any other MMO in the same "But I just want my 5 year old kid to be able to play it" mentality. The sooner he lets go off the franchise the better imho.

Actually, LA just had primary directives towards story concerns, as well as content as well.  EVERYONE had their say with design choices.  You can tell with some former SOE developers...that they felt the NGE was a GOOD thing, and it was "alot of fun".  BS.

Setting the timeline for The Old Republic well into ~3000 years in the past, gives bioware (if they are the team developing this) pretty much free reign to do exactly what they want with any aspect story-wise(as they once had with KOTOR) and design-wise.

I'm sure LA has changed their tune drastically after the whole NGE fiasco...I mean, it's the whole reason WHY they were looking for new developers for a SW MMO.   SOE should be the primary enemy to SWG veterans, bottom line.  They developed this game, and due to the insane amount of bugs at launch (and still now), the game suffered numerous "combat upgrades" and whatnot.  LA had a hand as well, probably releasing the game way too early....but come on, how much did SOE honestly fix after launch?  Most of them probably just sat on their ass most of the time, just enjoying the nice money coming in...ignoring the bugs as well.

I don't care what the next SW MMO entails...if it's made by Bioware, I'm definitely going to enjoy it, either way.  They are one of my favorite developers.  But to be honest, I'm really glad SOE is not handling it in anyway shape or form.  I have not enjoyed a single game fully from their lineup, and I hope they really change their tune sometime in the near future, if they hope to stay in business.

Speaking of BioWare's Dragon Age, it's been renamed to "Dragon Age: Origins" and has it's first teaser trailer [just out last night] : http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36033.html

The new title would suggest it's some sort of backstory to a larger tale... which makes me wonder what if it were the single player stand alone introduction to BioWare's MMORPG? Wouldn't that be crazy? Dragon Age Online  They get to sell 2 games to those interested...

It was just a wacky thought hehe.  The trailer for DA:Origins is honestly pretty unimpressive in my opinion but it's just a cinematic teaser so far.

I'd still get it, because I <3 bioware that much

But I'm really on the edge as to whether Bioware will be making an MMO off of this.  Simply based on this article:

http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/1154

It may not be much, but I really feel they might not be going with a Fantasy setting simply because it's what so many developers do nowadays.  Compete with the "800 lb. gorrila".

From what we've heard, it seems like this MMO will have quite a bit of "WoW" elements in it, but I'm suspecting that they might want to set it apart from WoW as well...there is a large "sci-fi" crowd out there, and I'm probably not the first one to say it, but there are ALOT of people really itching for a great sci-fi MMO.  And I think Bioware knows this.

I so hope Bioware would make a new Star Wars MMO ...

not because I wanted to play it but to see these board burst in flames when you notice that it wont be a SWG sandbox-style game but probably a story-/quest driven linear, class based mmo with lots of instancing :P

Originally posted by Kerith

I so hope Bioware would make a new Star Wars MMO ...

not because I wanted to play it but to see these board burst in flames when you notice that it wont be a SWG sandbox-style game but probably a story-/quest driven linear, class based mmo with lots of instancing :P

You are right bioware will probably not do sandbox. None of their games are sandbox so I wouldn't expect the MMO to be. That said it will still be a great game because BioWare doesn't make bad ones.

Originally posted by bsmith239

(...) That said it will still be a great game because BioWare doesn't make bad ones.

Without doubt.