kotaku.com/5029183/nickelodeon-rolls-out-avatar-mmo

Just caught this article on Kotaku a little excited, but after reading deeper in my excitement quickly faded. There's even a video of the Beta version linked in the press release which just kind of made things worse.

The jist of the game appears to be an arena fighter where low quality characters models run and jumpa round and spam one of four attacks that they're allowed to choose from before starting a match. Frankly, it seems more like a weak marketing ploy from the idiots are Nickelodeon who think they can make things that actually appear to be games. I'm a fan of the Avatar tv show and I think that as far as making an MMO goes, Avatar has a ton of great source material that could make for an amazing game if it were put in the right hands.

The game is due out in September, and apparently, Nickelodeon wants to pad it's ratings by re-airing Season 3 of the show with tips and ticks from the games tossed in so there's an incentive to watch. I don't want to get into some anti-corporation tyrade, but this whole thing just bothers me and just goes to show you that Nickelodeon really doesn't know how to treat the best thing that's happened to them in years.

Thoughts? Opinions? Angry Rants?

www.worldsinmotion.biz/2008/07/nickelodeon_launching_avatar_m.php

a browser-based online game

I love the series - no interest in browser games tho

I love the series - no interest in browser games tho

Nothing to argue against there.

I'm all bummed about the show coming to an end and this is just salt in the wound.

A good real MMORPG based on Avatar is possible but it would take time, money and effort. Three things companies don't want to spend when it comes to a video game based on a children's IP.

Honestly... I enjoy the Avatar series. Its a good idea for a strong MMO... but this IS NOT an MMO and i really wish that all these different people would stop slinging that word around like its going to make people drool.

Lets break down the meaning of MMO..

Massive Multiplayer ONline. So any game that has online multiplayer is technically an mmo. The difference between them is the last 3 letters, Whether it is a G or an RPG. Like guild wars is an MMO - G, while WoW is a MMO - RPG.

That said, that avatar game is pretty whack. Its obvious it is build ont he quake 3 engine, the game looks like bid for power if anyone remembers that. I didnt even read the article but This game has the story, the ip and the depth to make a real MMORPG, and an enjoyable one. Children ip or not, most people are so into cencorship that a childrens game is right up their alley.

Nickelodeon needs to take the time to make a real MMO - RPG before rushing to belt this one out just to capitalize on the current end series hype. Trust me the fans will still be there no matter how long it takes to make.

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Lets break down the meaning of MMO..

 

Massive Multiplayer ONline. So any game that has online multiplayer is technically an mmo. The difference between them is the last 3 letters, Whether it is a G or an RPG. Like guild wars is an MMO - G, while WoW is a MMO - RPG.

 

That said, that avatar game is pretty whack. Its obvious it is build ont he quake 3 engine, the game looks like bid for power if anyone remembers that. I didnt even read the article but This game has the story, the ip and the depth to make a real MMORPG, and an enjoyable one. Children ip or not, most people are so into cencorship that a childrens game is right up their alley.

 

Nickelodeon needs to take the time to make a real MMO - RPG before rushing to belt this one out just to capitalize on the current end series hype. Trust me the fans will still be there no matter how long it takes to make.

Actually its the other way around. MMORPG stands for Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game. A game is an MMORPG when a large amount of people have the ability to play in the same online persistent world. It's not about the last 3 letters, it's about the first ones.

Games like Guild Wars are RPG's, RPG stands for Roleplaying games. Games like Guild Wars are ONRPG's (Online Role playing games) while a game like World of Warcraft is an MMORPG.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Lets break down the meaning of MMO..

 

Massive Multiplayer ONline. So any game that has online multiplayer is technically an mmo. The difference between them is the last 3 letters, Whether it is a G or an RPG. Like guild wars is an MMO - G, while WoW is a MMO - RPG.

 

That said, that avatar game is pretty whack. Its obvious it is build ont he quake 3 engine, the game looks like bid for power if anyone remembers that. I didnt even read the article but This game has the story, the ip and the depth to make a real MMORPG, and an enjoyable one. Children ip or not, most people are so into cencorship that a childrens game is right up their alley.

 

Nickelodeon needs to take the time to make a real MMO - RPG before rushing to belt this one out just to capitalize on the current end series hype. Trust me the fans will still be there no matter how long it takes to make.

Actually its the other way around. MMORPG stands for Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game. A game is an MMORPG when a large amount of people have the ability to play in the same online persistent world. It's not about the last 3 letters, it's about the first ones.

Games like Guild Wars are RPG's, RPG stands for Roleplaying games. Games like Guild Wars are ONRPG's (Online Role playing games) while a game like World of Warcraft is an MMORPG.

Its late.. youa re going to have to explain how what you said is any different then what i said.

And guild wars doesnt call itself an rpg, and up until its 4th expansion it called itself an mmog, until it adapted that corpg nonsense a term nobody uses except them.

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Lets break down the meaning of MMO..

 

Massive Multiplayer ONline. So any game that has online multiplayer is technically an mmo. The difference between them is the last 3 letters, Whether it is a G or an RPG. Like guild wars is an MMO - G, while WoW is a MMO - RPG.

 

That said, that avatar game is pretty whack. Its obvious it is build ont he quake 3 engine, the game looks like bid for power if anyone remembers that. I didnt even read the article but This game has the story, the ip and the depth to make a real MMORPG, and an enjoyable one. Children ip or not, most people are so into cencorship that a childrens game is right up their alley.

 

Nickelodeon needs to take the time to make a real MMO - RPG before rushing to belt this one out just to capitalize on the current end series hype. Trust me the fans will still be there no matter how long it takes to make.

Actually its the other way around. MMORPG stands for Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game. A game is an MMORPG when a large amount of people have the ability to play in the same online persistent world. It's not about the last 3 letters, it's about the first ones.

Games like Guild Wars are RPG's, RPG stands for Roleplaying games. Games like Guild Wars are ONRPG's (Online Role playing games) while a game like World of Warcraft is an MMORPG.

 

Its late.. youa re going to have to explain how what you said is any different then what i said.

And guild wars doesnt call itself an rpg, and up until its 4th expansion it called itself an mmog, until it adapted that corpg nonsense a term nobody uses except them.

Couple of things.
 

1: You said every game with online multiplayer is an mmo. this is incorrect, only games which hold a massvie amount of people in a persistent world are mmo's.

2: You said Guild Wars is an MMOG while WoW is an MMORPG. Again this is incorrect, Guild Wars is an Onrpg, while wow is an MMORPG. Guild Wars is a roleplaying game that is online, it's just not a massively multiplayer game. WoW is a massively multiplayer online roleplaying game as players in the same, persistent world.

Guild Wars has ALWAYS called itself an RPG, it has never called itself an MMO.

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Originally posted by Gameloading

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Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

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Originally posted by Gameloading

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Originally posted by DeserttFoxx Lets break down the meaning of MMO.. Massive Multiplayer ONline. So any game that has online multiplayer is technically an mmo. The difference between them is the last 3 letters, Whether it is a G or an RPG. Like guild wars is an MMO - G, while WoW is a MMO - RPG. That said, that avatar game is pretty whack. Its obvious it is build ont he quake 3 engine, the game looks like bid for power if anyone remembers that. I didnt even read the article but This game has the story, the ip and the depth to make a real MMORPG, and an enjoyable one. Children ip or not, most people are so into cencorship that a childrens game is right up their alley. Nickelodeon needs to take the time to make a real MMO - RPG before rushing to belt this one out just to capitalize on the current end series hype. Trust me the fans will still be there no matter how long it takes to make.

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Actually its the other way around. MMORPG stands for Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game. A game is an MMORPG when a large amount of people have the ability to play in the same online persistent world. It's not about the last 3 letters, it's about the first ones. Games like Guild Wars are RPG's, RPG stands for Roleplaying games. Games like Guild Wars are ONRPG's (Online Role playing games) while a game like World of Warcraft is an MMORPG.

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Its late.. youa re going to have to explain how what you said is any different then what i said. And guild wars doesnt call itself an rpg, and up until its 4th expansion it called itself an mmog, until it adapted that corpg nonsense a term nobody uses except them.

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Couple of things. 1: You said every game with online multiplayer is an mmo. this is incorrect, only games which hold a massvie amount of people in a persistent world are mmo's. 2: You said Guild Wars is an MMOG while WoW is an MMORPG. Again this is incorrect, Guild Wars is an Onrpg, while wow is an MMORPG. Guild Wars is a roleplaying game that is online, it's just not a massively multiplayer game. WoW is a massively multiplayer online roleplaying game as players in the same, persistent world. Guild Wars has ALWAYS called itself an RPG, it has never called itself an MMO.

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By that theory, games like rainbow six, cod4,battlefield and counter strike wouldn't be considered MMOs even though they have huge player bases, which rival most mmos. Games like combat arms call them selves MMOFPS, but don't hold nearly as many players as the ones i mentioned earlier,

I will agree, i made a mistake in regards to guild wars, but i have to disagree that a game cant be considered an MMO unless it is a persistent world.

Anyway, it doesnt really matter to much, i guess we can both agree that this avatar game is not an mmo by either theory.

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

 

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Originally posted by Gameloading

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Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

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Originally posted by Gameloading

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Originally posted by DeserttFoxx Lets break down the meaning of MMO.. Massive Multiplayer ONline. So any game that has online multiplayer is technically an mmo. The difference between them is the last 3 letters, Whether it is a G or an RPG. Like guild wars is an MMO - G, while WoW is a MMO - RPG. That said, that avatar game is pretty whack. Its obvious it is build ont he quake 3 engine, the game looks like bid for power if anyone remembers that. I didnt even read the article but This game has the story, the ip and the depth to make a real MMORPG, and an enjoyable one. Children ip or not, most people are so into cencorship that a childrens game is right up their alley. Nickelodeon needs to take the time to make a real MMO - RPG before rushing to belt this one out just to capitalize on the current end series hype. Trust me the fans will still be there no matter how long it takes to make.

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Actually its the other way around. MMORPG stands for Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game. A game is an MMORPG when a large amount of people have the ability to play in the same online persistent world. It's not about the last 3 letters, it's about the first ones. Games like Guild Wars are RPG's, RPG stands for Roleplaying games. Games like Guild Wars are ONRPG's (Online Role playing games) while a game like World of Warcraft is an MMORPG.

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Its late.. youa re going to have to explain how what you said is any different then what i said. And guild wars doesnt call itself an rpg, and up until its 4th expansion it called itself an mmog, until it adapted that corpg nonsense a term nobody uses except them.

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Couple of things. 1: You said every game with online multiplayer is an mmo. this is incorrect, only games which hold a massvie amount of people in a persistent world are mmo's. 2: You said Guild Wars is an MMOG while WoW is an MMORPG. Again this is incorrect, Guild Wars is an Onrpg, while wow is an MMORPG. Guild Wars is a roleplaying game that is online, it's just not a massively multiplayer game. WoW is a massively multiplayer online roleplaying game as players in the same, persistent world. Guild Wars has ALWAYS called itself an RPG, it has never called itself an MMO.

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By that theory, games like rainbow six, cod4,battlefield and counter strike wouldn't be considered MMOs even though they have huge player bases, which rival most mmos. Games like combat arms call them selves MMOFPS, but don't hold nearly as many players as the ones i mentioned earlier,

I will agree, i made a mistake in regards to guild wars, but i have to disagree that a game cant be considered an MMO unless it is a persistent world.

 

Anyway, it doesnt really matter to much, i guess we can both agree that this avatar game is not an mmo by either theory.

 

all the ones you listed aren't mmos.

Period.

There is no discussion, there is no debate. Your just wrong.

The thing is, wow would still be a mmorpg with 1 server, because the game itself is a mmorpg.

Counter strike with 1 server would have like 32 people maximum, thats not mmo.  That's the difference.

It doesn't matter if a million people play the game at once, if its 1-32 people per server.

Originally posted by Bladin

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

 

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Originally posted by Gameloading

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Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

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Originally posted by Gameloading

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Originally posted by DeserttFoxx Lets break down the meaning of MMO.. Massive Multiplayer ONline. So any game that has online multiplayer is technically an mmo. The difference between them is the last 3 letters, Whether it is a G or an RPG. Like guild wars is an MMO - G, while WoW is a MMO - RPG. That said, that avatar game is pretty whack. Its obvious it is build ont he quake 3 engine, the game looks like bid for power if anyone remembers that. I didnt even read the article but This game has the story, the ip and the depth to make a real MMORPG, and an enjoyable one. Children ip or not, most people are so into cencorship that a childrens game is right up their alley. Nickelodeon needs to take the time to make a real MMO - RPG before rushing to belt this one out just to capitalize on the current end series hype. Trust me the fans will still be there no matter how long it takes to make.

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Actually its the other way around. MMORPG stands for Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game. A game is an MMORPG when a large amount of people have the ability to play in the same online persistent world. It's not about the last 3 letters, it's about the first ones. Games like Guild Wars are RPG's, RPG stands for Roleplaying games. Games like Guild Wars are ONRPG's (Online Role playing games) while a game like World of Warcraft is an MMORPG.

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Its late.. youa re going to have to explain how what you said is any different then what i said. And guild wars doesnt call itself an rpg, and up until its 4th expansion it called itself an mmog, until it adapted that corpg nonsense a term nobody uses except them.

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Couple of things. 1: You said every game with online multiplayer is an mmo. this is incorrect, only games which hold a massvie amount of people in a persistent world are mmo's. 2: You said Guild Wars is an MMOG while WoW is an MMORPG. Again this is incorrect, Guild Wars is an Onrpg, while wow is an MMORPG. Guild Wars is a roleplaying game that is online, it's just not a massively multiplayer game. WoW is a massively multiplayer online roleplaying game as players in the same, persistent world. Guild Wars has ALWAYS called itself an RPG, it has never called itself an MMO.

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By that theory, games like rainbow six, cod4,battlefield and counter strike wouldn't be considered MMOs even though they have huge player bases, which rival most mmos. Games like combat arms call them selves MMOFPS, but don't hold nearly as many players as the ones i mentioned earlier,

I will agree, i made a mistake in regards to guild wars, but i have to disagree that a game cant be considered an MMO unless it is a persistent world.

 

Anyway, it doesnt really matter to much, i guess we can both agree that this avatar game is not an mmo by either theory.

 

 

all the ones you listed aren't mmos.

Period.

There is no discussion, there is no debate. Your just wrong.

The thing is, wow would still be a mmorpg with 1 server, because the game itself is a mmorpg.

Counter strike with 1 server would have like 32 people maximum, thats not mmo.  That's the difference.

It doesn't matter if a million people play the game at once, if its 1-32 people per server.

how about you both just shut it  and agree this avatar game is an OG (barley) online game nothing more (but probably less)

and everyone knows it will be stupid and similar to fury but worse.

Not to shoot down a good discussion, but there's really no debate on whether or not this is an MMO. From what the video showed, 4 player death-match combat is not massive. Multiplayer and online, sure, but it's not massive.

I'm a bit more insulted that they're claiming a game that seems to focus strictly on Arena fighting is a prequel to the deep and lengthy history of a series like Avatar, not that they're saying this browser based bullshit is a MMO.

I'm trying not to jump to too many conclusions and just start spouting off stupid comments about a game I haven't played yet, but being browser-based means the game will be limited, meaning the game will not be able to contain the immense and detailed world that the Avatar IP contains. The combat animations look stiff and unnatural and severely lacking in the martial arts background they created for each bending style... I mean, it's pretty clear that this won't be nearly as good as it could've been.

I dont agree with their choice to be a browser game

but other games like Dofus seem to do well

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dofus