Star Wars Galaxies

I dont really post on this site as you can see by my post count but with the new OR mmo coming i wanted to see if someone could answer this for me, and play a little what if.

So.......

SOE has been saying for years now the they dont have the old code. Is it possible that code itself belongs to LA and they gave this to Bioware?

From everything i've read about this new mmo they have been working on this right around the time the NGE hit us in 05. And at that time there were so many rumors that SOE was losing the IP and that another company approached them about another SW mmo. 

Would it not be smart on LA end to see if a new company could take what Ralph did correct with SWG and update it with better content and a larger story?

I'm asking this b/c i cant see any company looking at their profits decline this badly and not give in to a classic server, or for that fact just trash the old codes. I really think LA may have owed this part of the game and now its hopeing Bioware can complete Ralph's vision.

Also i'm sure i read that someone in Bioware has said that they have already started playing the game in house, that seems like a quick turn around time if you ask me.

What if this is true?

I've never really seen an official post from a "red name" that stated they don't have the original code. Lots of players saying so, several hints from the reds, but nothing clear.

I so want that to be true.....

But in the interest of not being disappointed, I'm not going to get my hopes up.

Raph Koster stated several times, that he was responsible or behind pre-cu star wars galaxies...

it was Rich Vogel.

Raph Koster played a little role as creative director back in the old pre-cu times, but it was not his idea...

This give my little what if more hope, if you are correct this Rich now work for Bioware and lets guess in what city? So again chould it be that Bioware now have the codes for pre-nge SW

Well we've heard a lot of things about the original code, and some seem contradictory.  An LA rep told fans that a rollback was "technically" impossible, not for business reasons--for technical reasons.  That's floating around here on these forums somewhere.

Jeff Freeman said that "impossible" to a businessman though, means likely not profitable.  So these ideas seemed contradictory.

Dan Rubenfield said that as they were making the NGE, they were backing up the old code as they went along in the off chance that the NGE would not be released (oh don't we all wish that was the case).

I have a memory of being told that SOE no longer has the old code.  However, that may have been in the thread where the LA rep said that a rollback was "technically" impossible.

The status of the old code at this point is muddy at best, based on all of these vague and apparently contradictory statements.

I've often wondered if the rights to parts of it left with Raph and some of his colleagues.  I really have no idea, but it would explain a lot.

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Well we've heard a lot of things about the original code, and some seem contradictory.  An LA rep told fans that a rollback was "technically" impossible, not for business reasons--for technical reasons.  That's floating around here on these forums somewhere.

Jeff Freeman said that "impossible" to a businessman though, means likely not profitable.  So these ideas seemed contradictory.

Dan Rubenfield said that as they were making the NGE, they were backing up the old code as they went along in the off chance that the NGE would not be released (oh don't we all wish that was the case).

I have a memory of being told that SOE no longer has the old code.  However, that may have been in the thread where the LA rep said that a rollback was "technically" impossible.

The status of the old code at this point is muddy at best, based on all of these vague and apparently contradictory statements.

I've often wondered if the rights to parts of it left with Raph and some of his colleagues.  I really have no idea, but it would explain a lot.

it really has to be something with rights and who owns them maybe Ralph maybe LA but i cant see it being SOE. Yes some think they suck when it comes to bussiness but I do think money is a great motivator and it makes no sense that they would not put out a classic even more so now
 

they hid it inside an R2 unit

sry couldn't help myself

oh they have the code no gaming company throws away code. seeing as its "too hard" for soe and they wont use it they should make it public domain so amatuer coders can play around with the engine. or just do the right thing and give it to the flightless birds!

SOE probably still has the old code.   Trouble is.... its still the same old broken piece of sh!t today that it was a 3 years ago when they started changing it for CU/NGE.

Since then I'm sure SOE has incorporated literally hundreds if not thousands of fixes to areas of the code like the core engine, graphics, databases and what not, which have improved the games overall performance. 

Add in the new features that are good (CU/NGE not withstanding) which were developed, tested and implemented on the new code base,  and you have a situation where it would be difficult to take the old code bases and incorporate all the good code changes into a modern classic server.

And difficult doesn't mean impossible, just means its expensive to do.  From an SOE perspective, spending that much more on the game makes little sense.  Sure, lets say they did all this...and released a classic server, and every SWG vet came back (they won't) and just as many new players joined up....you'd have....

What?  350-400K players?  MIght sound respectable, but in this Post-WOW world, I'm pretty sure all investments by major companies are looking at projects where the potential subs are 1M plus..... nothing else will do.

Couple that with SOE's sudden facination for Micro Transaction payment models and I think you can assume they'll not do a classic server.

As for Bioware utilizing the old code, that's just crazy talk.  No developer likes to support another's code, and especially not when its a  POS system like PreCU SWG was (and some claim, still is)

You have a better chance of the same aliens who are working on DF of picking this idea up and running with it.

Bioware wants to make a major, successful game.  Retreading the old SWG idea won't be in the plan for them.