Darkfall

Originally posted by PerlFtwin15

Darkfall is a first-person PVP MMO, so combat, mounted combat and naval combat, together with territorial conquest are the core of the game, and if they can deliver those well, they will have a very successful game in my opinion, regardless of how good/bad their PVE and crafting are.

 so you're saying that the hundreds of dungeons , hundreds of quests , hundreds of skills , ability to craft anything in the world and god knows what else they promised won't be there?

If Darkfall is nothing more then Quake 3 arena online then they might as well never launch it because it will fail completely.  It's already completely failed IMO but wtf do I know.

Originally posted by melanko

I believe next month will be the deciding factor, at least for me, of the validity and "vapor-ness" of Darkfall. One of three things will happen next month.

 

1. No gameplay video is released. I think we can then safely say this game is never coming out/ will not live up to its potential.

2. There is a video but doesn't show anything new or is extremely short. Then the vaporware discussion will continue as is.

3. There is a video and it blows our socks off. Then we can safely all be fanbois for Darkfall.

 

If it were me developing this game at this point, I would make this new video a 40+ minute opus that shows off all the great features that were promised. Otherwise this game is doomed to its continued questioning of its merit.

We will all found out next month.

I got dibs on number 2

catizone not when taso said they have recorded alot of playtesting. to amke the vid So i would expect at least 5 minutes up to 20 minutes.

I wouldnt be surprised if we got to see a whole siege.

Originally posted by PerlFtwin15

Originally posted by Polarization

 

According to Tasos this is going to be a comprehensive video using actual Darkfall game play footage.

Tasos first mentioned they were “looking at releasing” this video “ in the next few weeks” 2 months ago in the May update.

2 months later in the recent July update he said they would be releasing the video next month, so we can expect the video sometime in August.

Tasos has said that the video is not on there immediate priorities and they are busy working on the game etc.

But 2 ½ - 3 1/2 months is ample time for the developers to produce this video, if they fail to produce it after 3 months or if it does not comprehensively demonstrate Darkfalls features and content using actual game play footage then they have set themselves up for a publicity and community relations disaster in my opinion.

If they cant make a comprehensive game play video of their feature complete MMO that’s currently in internal beta over a period of 3 months, then its highly unlikely in my opinion that they actually have a feature complete MMO that’s currently in internal beta testing, let alone one they will be capable of successfully launching in 5 months time.

If the video, after 3 months does not comprehensively demonstrate Darkfalls proposed features and content, but perhaps only shows more fighting, mounts, and ships then it will irrefutably demonstrate that fighting, mounts and ships is compressively all that Darkfall has to offer.

Or that 5 months before launch, fighting, mounts and ships is all that the developers are ready to comprehensively show us, either way a strong indication about the true level of progress that has been achieved.

Before anyone makes pre-emptive excuses on behalf of the developers or any personal attacks or justifications for why they think this video might not be relevant.

Please make sure you are aware of the definitions of the words “next month”, “comprehensive” and “game play footage”.

And of course familiarize or reacquaint yourself comprehensively with Darkfalls proposed feature and content list, the FAQ on the official website is a very convenient general overview.

In my opinion its understandable that its taking months to make this video, to comprehensively demonstrate all of the features, content and game play listed on Darkfalls official FAQ is going to require a substantial video of considerable length.

Of course there is the other possibility that they don’t have anything we have not already seen that’s ready to be comprehensively demonstrated with game play footage yet, and they are just stalling for time, but we will see, perhaps in the next update in a "couple of weeks", or sometime later in August.

 

it's a good post, and i agree with most of it, except this section: "If the video, after 3 months does not comprehensively demonstrate Darkfalls proposed features and content, but perhaps only shows more fighting, mounts, and ships then it will irrefutably demonstrate that fighting, mounts and ships is compressively all that Darkfall has to offer."

 

Darkfall is a first-person PVP MMO, so combat, mounted combat and naval combat, together with territorial conquest are the core of the game, and if they can deliver those well, they will have a very successful game in my opinion, regardless of how good/bad their PVE and crafting are.

 

I agree that sieges and territorial conquest have not been adequately shown to us, so yeah i agree they need to impress there. i don't think it will be a disaster if they don't show anything but siege and PVP combat though, though of course i would like to see more.

 

The developers have promised so much more then just Siege and PvP combat, and I can assure you many people are expecting a lot more then just that, a great deal more.

I agree with you personally they are what I also consider the Core features of Darkfall, but they are not enough in isolation to make this “a very successful game” in my opinion.

Even a brief look at the official FAQ let alone any of the numerous developer Q&A’s from over the years unequivocally demonstrates they have “promised” so much more, this is the most ambitious, complex and dynamic MMO ever attempted, general community expectations encompass so much more then just PvP combat and Siege’s.

I disagree with you that if they only show more combat, mounted combat, naval combat and “territorial conquest” in this upcoming “comprehensive gameplay video” they have been working on for months it wont be a disaster.

As far as I’m concerned this is their last chance to prove Darkfall has anything more to offer then what they have already briefly shown, combat, mounted combat, naval combat, and bare locations and landscapes.

If you or anyone else is perfectly happy with accepting Darkfall will not be much more then a FPS style PVP MMO which primary features are only combat, mounted combat, naval combat and some form of territorial conquest, then that’s fine, but I can assure you most people will not be happy with that, especially after what the developers have been assuring us for years about what Darkfall would eventually be to the contrary.

Judging by Aventurines standards this is almost certainly the last video we will see before beta and launch happens this year, if neither of those start this year it will probably be all we see of substance from Darkfall until next year, this is a crucial opportunity for the developers to finally prove their detractors wrong and regain some form of credibility and start improving their reputation at a crucial period before public Beta and launch.

If this comprehensive game play video again only shows combat, mounted combat, naval combat and bare locations and landscapes, I assert that is comprehensively all the game play Darkfall has to offer.

Whether or not that will be enough to make Darkfall “a very successful game” remains to be seen, but in my opinion it will not be, and it will be a tremendous disappointment to many people who have followed this game for years, and will cause a great deal of discontent and anger amongst its community, let alone the increased derision it will attract from its critics.

well you would think after 7 years someone would have come forward you dont just say things liek taso says wiht out it being leaked your lieing...

The problem is. they could bein alot of trouble if there lieing....

Originally posted by Xxeon

well you would think after 7 years someone would have come forward you dont just say things liek taso says wiht out it being leaked your lieing...

The problem is. they could bein alot of trouble if there lieing....

What?, their not going to be in any trouble at all for lying, you sound far to trusting and completely naïve or ignorant about common industry practice.

Tasos has been hyping, marketing and promoting a project he has a personal financial investment in over the last 5+ years, exactly how much of what he has said will be revealed to be lies and what has already been established as lies is open to contention.

The majority of the supporters of this project have allowed and enabled Tasos to potentially lie for the last 5+ years by never demanding or at the very least expecting him to ever keep any or very few of his promises or substantiate his claims, but have been content to just submissively and/or sycophantically wait for that next update thats coming “soon” over the last 5+ years.

Or even worse, some supporters of this project have further facilitated Taosos potential lieing by attacking anyone who has expressed criticism or skepticism about those very same promises and claims over the last 5+ years, I’m sure he’s been very grateful and relieved for what the community have done for him, and allowed him to do over the years, but after all he does consider himself a specialist in community management and building and PR.

The only “problem” is the community of supporters and defenders will have to realize they might have been lied to for the last 7 years, the developers have potentially got away with it for 7 years and they will most definitely not be in any “trouble” for continuing to do so.

All MMO developers lie in some form or another, that’s obvious to anyone who has any common sense and general experience of this industry or any business, the only important thing is exactly how much they have lied, when its inevitably exposed on the first day of open public beta and/or launch day or cancellation day.

well he sprobly lied about something.

But to what extent we have to wait and see being help founded by the eu gov. kinda signfies... hey we have to release something... why not release the game they are promising?

just like fallen earth they just said there feature coplete and not in beta yet.

Darkfall is in aprivate closed beta <, will this work for them w ehave to wait until playtesting starts to find out.

Originally posted by Polarization

Originally posted by Xxeon

well you would think after 7 years someone would have come forward you dont just say things liek taso says wiht out it being leaked your lieing...

The problem is. they could bein alot of trouble if there lieing....

 

 

 

What?, their not going to be in any trouble at all for lying, you sound far to trusting and completely naïve or ignorant about common industry practice.

Tasos has been hyping, marketing and promoting a project he has a personal financial investment in over the last 5+ years, exactly how much of what he has said will be revealed to be lies and what has already been established as lies is open to contention.

The majority of the supporters of this project have allowed and enabled Tasos to potentially lie for the last 5+ years by never demanding or at the very least expecting him to ever keep any or very few of his promises or substantiate his claims, but have been content to just submissively and/or sycophantically wait for that next update thats coming “soon” over the last 5+ years.

Or even worse, some supporters of this project have further facilitated Taosos potential lieing by attacking anyone who has expressed criticism or skepticism about those very same promises and claims over the last 5+ years, I’m sure he’s been very grateful and relieved for what the community have done for him, and allowed him to do over the years, but after all he does consider himself a specialist in community management and building and PR.

The only “problem” is the community of supporters and defenders will have to realize they might have been lied to for the last 7 years, the developers have potentially got away with it for 7 years and they will most definitely not be in any “trouble” for continuing to do so.

All MMO developers lie in some form or another, that’s obvious to anyone who has any common sense and general experience of this industry or any business, the only important thing is exactly how much they have lied, when its inevitably exposed on the first day of open public beta and/or launch day or cancellation day.

I think that about everyone here knows that Tasos could be doing his PR a lot better and Aventurine has most likely revealed the whole project way too early to the public, anyway, that doesn't make the game not exist.

Aventurine has been proven to exist. No man would make profit, if they would've established a total hoax for this long.

What would make you think that they're running a scam, over just simply bad public relations? Almost everything is hinting at bad PR. Not a scam.

If you actually agree, that the game does exist and people are working on it, then we should wait and see, not base our whole arguments on predictions. That way the debates would actually be a lot more intellectual. They've taken nothing from you.

Originally posted by lotharr

If you actually agree, that the game does exist and people are working on it, then we should wait and see, not base our whole arguments on predictions. That way the debates would actually be a lot more intellect