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  darkraptor

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Joined: 6/13/04
Posts: 179

7/22/08 3:33:53 AM#61

I think it's tough to say where WOW will go from here. I think they're trying to keep more of their fanbase than acquire new....which kinda makes sense as they are the biggest name out there in mmorpg's right now.

However, I don't think this is going to stem the burnout and things like that...everyone who plays or decides to go back will be like "whee deathknight/new skills/spells for my class" and then burnout will begin faster than the previous expansion.  Also, if the game wasn't hugely popular, it wouldn't even be worth a crap in the first place, which I find rather interesting.

/rant

  Moodah

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Joined: 6/12/08
Posts: 181

7/23/08 12:39:59 PM#62

I agree that in general quantity does not mean quality however somehow it seems that developer companies are unable of producing  quality products (with a few bright exceptions), instead they shell out bug ridden, unfinished piece of crap game frameworks and expect people to pay for it. 10 years ago maybe ... today not really.

Even if WoW is a rather simple game, the company developing it delivers, and that is what all those other bug ridden unfinished products have to compete with, and that is why they all fail.

Yes - it doesnt mean those game die, or that they don't secure a solid playerbase somewhere down the line, but if I was the AOC board, when Gaute starts explaining how 200-300 k is a good number (which it probably is), I would say - yes, but how about those other 400-500k that you lost, and we could be making money off them right now.

So failure is really a matter of perspective - if you sell 50k accounts and then grow to lets say 200-250k, that is a success. If you however sell a milion, and you end up retaining 200k, that is an astronomical failure (even though you are still able to run the business on those numbers).

That is why WTOLK won't fail - it will deliver, the delivered will be rock solid, and people will lose their nerves about how to do things ingame, instead of losing nerves on how to even run the damn thing.

It is simple business - every company that will want to be competitive has to beat WoW NOW  - not 3 or 4 years ago. It is entirely irrelevant which problems it had at launch, because you are not competing with wow at launch - you missed that window for a couple of years and you are competing with wow at this moment. Simple market logic. If I launch a product into the market, it has to compete with current products on the same market - it is entirely irrelevant that the competing product had 5 more years to develop - tough luck.

  firstbourne

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Joined: 8/21/07
Posts: 33

7/23/08 1:02:23 PM#63

This argument just never ends does it?

I played the hell outta WoW all the way thru BC, then I got bored and quit. I didn't "take a break", I quit. Vendored my gear, deleted my toons, stopped billing on my account. But I don't hate the people that still play.

Just because you don't like a game - let the others play it. It doesn't hurt you. Hell, it shouldn't even bother you.

I think golf is a lame waste of time and real estate. But I don't lurk on the sports forums and slam golf all day. Get a life and move on. Spend more time doing whatever you like, and less time stressing about some game you think sucks.

 

  greymann

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Joined: 4/04/06
Posts: 775

7/23/08 1:07:15 PM#64
Originally posted by coffee

Areans are maybe 1-2% of the game.  And if you dont want to participate you dont have too.


 

You don't have to eh?  So what if  I want to be the battlegrounds extraordinare?  I hate arena and just want to do battlegrounds spending lots of time organizing premades. Well now, I get crap rewards for it because all the decent gear is won through arenas.  Kill the system.

  Daggra

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Joined: 5/17/04
Posts: 24

7/23/08 2:10:47 PM#65

hahaha WoW killer... That's a good one. We're in what developers are calling "next gen" now, and there is NOTHING next gen about this game.

As someone has already said, the combat in Warhammer absolutely SUCKS. It's slow. VERY slow. Two warriors will stand stiff as boards whacking eachother with hammers back and forth like out of a stupid cartoon.

When the player walks, his avatar feels like it's gliding over the ground rather than his feet making contact. Even WoW, with its cartoon graphics (believe it or not), does a better job of realistic animations.

That, to me, is very sad. When a game is delayed several times and cannot even match up to the animations of a game several years older, that spells fail.

I can't play a game where my avatar might as well be a walking stiff-board carrying a hammer with a minute between each attack...It's just a huge disappointment.

Anyone who says they are "ok" is in blind denial. They are atrocious.

  Sanctus_Mors

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Joined: 9/29/02
Posts: 598

7/23/08 3:45:00 PM#66

Daggra, your trolling is full of fail. I just saw a post you put up on the WAR forum with the exact same words.

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  nestea

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Joined: 3/04/05
Posts: 9

7/23/08 4:19:20 PM#67

I thought I read this thread right before Burning Crusades came out, I personally love the game and I think WOTLK is going to be sweet (whoa is that me getting spammed for saying I like wow?)

  Yaros

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Joined: 4/21/06
Posts: 283

7/23/08 4:29:18 PM#68


Originally posted by Daggra
hahaha WoW killer... That's a good one. We're in what developers are calling "next gen" now, and there is NOTHING next gen about this game.
As someone has already said, the combat in Warhammer absolutely SUCKS. It's slow. VERY slow. Two warriors will stand stiff as boards whacking eachother with hammers back and forth like out of a stupid cartoon.
When the player walks, his avatar feels like it's gliding over the ground rather than his feet making contact. Even WoW, with its cartoon graphics (believe it or not), does a better job of realistic animations.
That, to me, is very sad. When a game is delayed several times and cannot even match up to the animations of a game several years older, that spells fail.
I can't play a game where my avatar might as well be a walking stiff-board carrying a hammer with a minute between each attack...It's just a huge disappointment.
Anyone who says they are "ok" is in blind denial. They are atrocious.

Actually, most (but not all) beta leakers report that combat is much better then WoW, not really slower, but it takes longer to kill someone and CC is weaker in WAR (they still changing and balancing it). Weapon's speeds are similar in both games - you have big slow weapons and fast like daggers.
WAR combat looks more static, because there is colision detection, so you can't go through people to hit their back, you also can't jump in fight as it cancels style/spell.
But I agree, that WoW has better animations then WAR BETA at this point (and this have nothing to do with cartoony or not graphics - Blizzard is just better on this field).
I know that arguing with blind fanboi, who has no idea about WAR beta is waste of time, but well... maybe someone will find this post useful.
And of course, WotLK will not fail, I think it will sell better then WAR, at least at few first months after release.

  Death1942

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Joined: 2/24/07
Posts: 2596

7/23/08 4:31:25 PM#69

out of 11 million players only a fraction raid.  only a fraction do PvP and only a fraction reach max lvl.  do you really think blizz gives a toss if half of those small groups leave over something silly like raid drops or a change in PvP.  go ahead and think that you represent the "majority",  all you represent is the vocal group.

 

i spent 2 years in WoW and in that time 80% of people i met never wanted to raid, never PvP'd all they did was level.  they enjoyed the game and they are the majority of the players.  WoTLK wont fail because out of that 11 million you have 9 million players that just want to level up and have fun (usually with friends) and dont give a toss about raids and pvp

MMO wish list:

-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads

  User Deleted
7/23/08 4:38:19 PM#70
Originally posted by Yaros

 


Originally posted by Daggra
hahaha WoW killer... That's a good one. We're in what developers are calling "next gen" now, and there is NOTHING next gen about this game.
As someone has already said, the combat in Warhammer absolutely SUCKS. It's slow. VERY slow. Two warriors will stand stiff as boards whacking eachother with hammers back and forth like out of a stupid cartoon.
When the player walks, his avatar feels like it's gliding over the ground rather than his feet making contact. Even WoW, with its cartoon graphics (believe it or not), does a better job of realistic animations.
That, to me, is very sad. When a game is delayed several times and cannot even match up to the animations of a game several years older, that spells fail.
I can't play a game where my avatar might as well be a walking stiff-board carrying a hammer with a minute between each attack...It's just a huge disappointment.
Anyone who says they are "ok" is in blind denial. They are atrocious.

 

Actually, most (but not all) beta leakers report that combat is much better then WoW, not really slower, but it takes longer to kill someone and CC is weaker in WAR (they still changing and balancing it). Weapon's speeds are similar in both games - you have big slow weapons and fast like daggers.
WAR combat looks more static, because there is colision detection, so you can't go through people to hit their back, you also can't jump in fight as it cancels style/spell.
But I agree, that WoW has better animations then WAR BETA at this point (and this have nothing to do with cartoony or not graphics - Blizzard is just better on this field).
I know that arguing with blind fanboi, who has no idea about WAR beta is waste of time, but well... maybe someone will find this post useful.
And of course, WotLK will not fail, I think it will sell better then WAR, at least at few first months after release.

Just for the record juming in WoW will also and has always had the effect of canceling your attack, unless its instant case or auto melee attack (and in PvP you dont use auto melee much).  I dont know where people get the impression that you bunny hop in WoW?
 

I for 1 hate collision detection, I think this is partly way combat in WAR looks so slow and clunky.

  Ascension08

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Joined: 3/12/08
Posts: 2009

"Silence is golden, duct tape is silver, but the White Border of Darkfall rules over all!"

7/23/08 4:38:26 PM#71
Originally posted by Daggra

hahaha WoW killer... That's a good one. We're in what developers are calling "next gen" now, and there is NOTHING next gen about this game.

As someone has already said, the combat in Warhammer absolutely SUCKS. It's slow. VERY slow. Two warriors will stand stiff as boards whacking eachother with hammers back and forth like out of a stupid cartoon.

When the player walks, his avatar feels like it's gliding over the ground rather than his feet making contact. Even WoW, with its cartoon graphics (believe it or not), does a better job of realistic animations.

That, to me, is very sad. When a game is delayed several times and cannot even match up to the animations of a game several years older, that spells fail.

I can't play a game where my avatar might as well be a walking stiff-board carrying a hammer with a minute between each attack...It's just a huge disappointment.

Anyone who says they are "ok" is in blind denial. They are atrocious.

Stupid company that you would like: "Hey lets waste our time and resources to implement the highest level graphics and the most precise animations during the beta. The hell with the "core gameplay" crap, we don't need to test that! Lets make sure our game is shiny and smooth so that people won't troll it. Bugs and exploits and a broken endgame, hah, NO ONE cares about that! Beta is for showing off how "wtfawesome" our game will be."

Sorry, I couldn't resist!

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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"

Order of the White Border.

  Ascension08

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Joined: 3/12/08
Posts: 2009

"Silence is golden, duct tape is silver, but the White Border of Darkfall rules over all!"

7/23/08 4:40:48 PM#72
Originally posted by coffee
Originally posted by Yaros

 


Originally posted by Daggra
hahaha WoW killer... That's a good one. We're in what developers are calling "next gen" now, and there is NOTHING next gen about this game.
As someone has already said, the combat in Warhammer absolutely SUCKS. It's slow. VERY slow. Two warriors will stand stiff as boards whacking eachother with hammers back and forth like out of a stupid cartoon.
When the player walks, his avatar feels like it's gliding over the ground rather than his feet making contact. Even WoW, with its cartoon graphics (believe it or not), does a better job of realistic animations.
That, to me, is very sad. When a game is delayed several times and cannot even match up to the animations of a game several years older, that spells fail.
I can't play a game where my avatar might as well be a walking stiff-board carrying a hammer with a minute between each attack...It's just a huge disappointment.
Anyone who says they are "ok" is in blind denial. They are atrocious.

 

Actually, most (but not all) beta leakers report that combat is much better then WoW, not really slower, but it takes longer to kill someone and CC is weaker in WAR (they still changing and balancing it). Weapon's speeds are similar in both games - you have big slow weapons and fast like daggers.
WAR combat looks more static, because there is colision detection, so you can't go through people to hit their back, you also can't jump in fight as it cancels style/spell.
But I agree, that WoW has better animations then WAR BETA at this point (and this have nothing to do with cartoony or not graphics - Blizzard is just better on this field).
I know that arguing with blind fanboi, who has no idea about WAR beta is waste of time, but well... maybe someone will find this post useful.
And of course, WotLK will not fail, I think it will sell better then WAR, at least at few first months after release.

Just for the record juming in WoW will also and has always had the effect of canceling your attack, unless its instant case or auto melee attack (and in PvP you dont use auto melee much).  I dont know where people get the impression that you bunny hop in WoW?
 

I for 1 hate collision detection, I think this is partly way combat in WAR looks so slow and clunky.

Are you kidding me? Go spam sinister strike or mortal strike or any other instant cast (and there's alot of them in there). Even healers can do it now. HoTs anyone? Resto druids running around jumping and shapeshifting like it was cake? Collision detection is more realistic, so it's okay if you don't like it. You prefer the cartoony, more unrealistic path, which is totally fine.

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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"

Order of the White Border.

  User Deleted
7/23/08 4:47:29 PM#73
Originally posted by Ascension08
Originally posted by coffee
Originally posted by Yaros

 


Originally posted by Daggra
hahaha WoW killer... That's a good one. We're in what developers are calling "next gen" now, and there is NOTHING next gen about this game.
As someone has already said, the combat in Warhammer absolutely SUCKS. It's slow. VERY slow. Two warriors will stand stiff as boards whacking eachother with hammers back and forth like out of a stupid cartoon.
When the player walks, his avatar feels like it's gliding over the ground rather than his feet making contact. Even WoW, with its cartoon graphics (believe it or not), does a better job of realistic animations.
That, to me, is very sad. When a game is delayed several times and cannot even match up to the animations of a game several years older, that spells fail.
I can't play a game where my avatar might as well be a walking stiff-board carrying a hammer with a minute between each attack...It's just a huge disappointment.
Anyone who says they are "ok" is in blind denial. They are atrocious.

 

Actually, most (but not all) beta leakers report that combat is much better then WoW, not really slower, but it takes longer to kill someone and CC is weaker in WAR (they still changing and balancing it). Weapon's speeds are similar in both games - you have big slow weapons and fast like daggers.
WAR combat looks more static, because there is colision detection, so you can't go through people to hit their back, you also can't jump in fight as it cancels style/spell.
But I agree, that WoW has better animations then WAR BETA at this point (and this have nothing to do with cartoony or not graphics - Blizzard is just better on this field).
I know that arguing with blind fanboi, who has no idea about WAR beta is waste of time, but well... maybe someone will find this post useful.
And of course, WotLK will not fail, I think it will sell better then WAR, at least at few first months after release.

Just for the record juming in WoW will also and has always had the effect of canceling your attack, unless its instant case or auto melee attack (and in PvP you dont use auto melee much).  I dont know where people get the impression that you bunny hop in WoW?
 

I for 1 hate collision detection, I think this is partly way combat in WAR looks so slow and clunky.

Are you kidding me? Go spam sinister strike or mortal strike or any other instant cast (and there's alot of them in there). Even healers can do it now. HoTs anyone? Resto druids running around jumping and shapeshifting like it was cake? Collision detection is more realistic, so it's okay if you don't like it. You prefer the cartoony, more unrealistic path, which is totally fine.


 

Your taking about instant case spells and attacks, yes you can jump (if you realy want to) when doing that but you dont see masses of player jumping on the spot hit each other like many people think.

They are both games, both are cartoony (but WoW has more style).. neither is real to think other wise.. is um.. well.

This looks real doesn't it?

  Sikhander

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Posts: 221

7/23/08 5:06:45 PM#74

Coffee: You are unreal:)

Post at least a recent screenshot if you want to show how it looks in 'BETA' right now with alot of shadows and lightmaps missing, and not an almost two year old screen shot. You are the Karl Rove of MMORPG :p

http://savepic.ru/234498.htm

http://savepic.ru/222210.htm

 

 

  Tergeron

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7/23/08 5:20:32 PM#75
Originally posted by Sikhander

Coffee: You are unreal:)

Post at least a recent screenshot if you want to show how it looks in 'BETA' right now with alot of shadows and lightmaps missing, and not an almost two year old screen shot. You are the Karl Rove of MMORPG :p

http://savepic.ru/234498.htm

http://savepic.ru/222210.htm

 

 

 

Why do you care about realistic detail when you're playing a game with orcs goblins elfs and dwarves..

 

  User Deleted
7/23/08 5:32:57 PM#76
Originally posted by Sikhander

Coffee: You are unreal:)

Post at least a recent screenshot if you want to show how it looks in 'BETA' right now with alot of shadows and lightmaps missing, and not an almost two year old screen shot. You are the Karl Rove of MMORPG :p

http://savepic.ru/234498.htm

http://savepic.ru/222210.htm

 

 

That was a screenshot from the offical WAR website and amoung the last round of screens THEY posted. Its an upto to date official screen shot.
 

  Sikhander

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7/23/08 6:01:12 PM#77
Originally posted by coffee

That was a screenshot from the offical WAR website and amoung the last round of screens THEY posted. Its an upto to date official screen shot.
 


 

It is official but it is not recent. The point still stands - if you want to make a comparison make a real one between two comparable objects that is all I ask for. I do not ask you to change your opinion but I do ask you to be honest and less manipulative.

  User Deleted
7/23/08 6:53:36 PM#78
Originally posted by Sikhander
Originally posted by coffee

That was a screenshot from the offical WAR website and amoung the last round of screens THEY posted. Its an upto to date official screen shot.
 


 

It is official but it is not recent. The point still stands - if you want to make a comparison make a real one between two comparable objects that is all I ask for. I do not ask you to change your opinion but I do ask you to be honest and less manipulative.


 

Not sure how more honest i can get Mythic last posted offical screen of WAR on their website 15th May.. I posted 1 of those images.. all other images are unoffical.

  Acesplayed

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Here to end your arguments.

7/23/08 9:03:22 PM#79

Im seriously done with WoW not going back for Wotlk been playing since release and everythings same old same old I returned twice  on old WoW , returned for TBC but I can honestly say for some odd reason I  have no interest at all for Wotlk. I guess Im just one of them who are just way to burnt out on this game and just forsees the same crap with a few twists like always.

Id consider going back If they made a Pre-BC server  with no transfers everything back to the way it was .




No such thing as luck, just believing in it is what makes it real to you and really...thats all you need.

Im on nobodies' side but my own.

  Acesplayed

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Posts: 180

Here to end your arguments.

7/23/08 9:10:30 PM#80
Originally posted by coffee
Originally posted by Sikhander
Originally posted by coffee

That was a screenshot from the offical WAR website and amoung the last round of screens THEY posted. Its an upto to date official screen shot.
 


 

It is official but it is not recent. The point still stands - if you want to make a comparison make a real one between two comparable objects that is all I ask for. I do not ask you to change your opinion but I do ask you to be honest and less manipulative.


 

Not sure how more honest i can get Mythic last posted offical screen of WAR on their website 15th May.. I posted 1 of those images.. all other images are unoffical.

So in 2months there cant be any graphical updates?

Youd know If you are supposedly in beta.
 




No such thing as luck, just believing in it is what makes it real to you and really...thats all you need.

Im on nobodies' side but my own.

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