General Discussion

So many seem to be thinking in SWG terms when they talk about KotORO.  I see things like "will they have Jedi?" and it boggles my mind.  Do you honestly think, a game with KNIGHT OF THE OLD REPUBLIC will not have Jedi in it? Seriously people.  It will also be an action based MMO, it is not going to be a sandbox.  It will have alot of variety and exploration, no doubt, but it is not going to be an alternate reality.  In a post WoW world corporation see that the majority of people want fast gameplay, quick rewards, and flashy art styles.  They want to get into the action fast, get rewarded, and stand around showing off their gear.  Looks at the market, how many people play games like WoW as opposed to games like EvE? Tons more, thats how many.  EvE has what? 250k subs? Yah that sounds like the winning formula for making tons of money!

If you think that EA/Bioware/LA is going to be making a game for the "fans" you are wrong.  They will be making a game with broad appeal to attract all of their fans, not the hardcore elitists who live in a fantasy world.  Expect to see the iconis classes and powerful action based abilities.  You will see Jedi, Dark Jedi, Sith, Bounty Hunters, and anyone else with flashy attacks.  You will not see any serious effort to make a bunch of crafters, dancers, or musicians.  Thats not Biowares style and it isn't what the market is telling them people want.  Lucas Arts wants to make a blockbuster game, they want Star Wars back in the spotlight.  They have seen over time that the games people buy and enjoy are the ones where you get to play a Jedi.  Thats all there is too it.  People want to have lightsabers and force powers. They do not want to sit in a house all day and make blaster pistols.

Keep on thinking about all the rediculous ideas because you were screwed over in SWG and you feel you are "owed" a game to replace SWG.  You will not get it.  That ship has sailed.  These companies want to make a great game for as many people as possible.  Since the only thing to determine a games greatness is it sales, thats what they will try for.  EA/Bioware/LA are not a group of idealist trying to prove something and make an artistic game that will be appreciated by a minority but applauded for its uniqueness.  They want money, they want success, and they want to have a name brand MMO.

I suggest you take your high hopes and your dream, tuck them away, and never think of them again.  You will not be getting a sandbox game of anykind from a major gaming company.  The market numbers are just not there.  I know some one is going to say "well I like making pistols, or dancing around, or building houses"  thats fine, more power to yah. Big gaming companies don't care about your novelty ideas, they want a franchise.  The sooner you get your head out of the clouds the better.  Please flame me if I crushed your dreams or your refuse to see reality.  It will not change the fact that KotORO will play nothing like SWG.

nice poll?

But you are right that this will not be SWG2. That was Kosters social experiment and has nothing to do with this new game. Koster could have made that game using any IP, he didnt need StarWars.

Well theres World of Warcraft and yet there is no war, then theres Lord of the Rings and no Lords and ofc Age of Conan and you can't play as Conan. j/k

Wasn't it going to be called Star Wars - The Old Rebuplic ?

Originally posted by Sepulcher

EvE has what? 250k subs? Yah that sounds like the winning formula for making tons of money!

Yeah, it's only 45 million dollars annually.  WTF does CCP know?  Dumbasses...

I like the poll options! You can't pick a wrong one, very user friendly, thanks op!

There is something fishy about that poll...I can't put my finger on it.

Of course, I agree with you anyway, but i got a kick out of that.

Originally posted by Darth_Pete

Well theres World of Warcraft and yet there is no war, then theres Lord of the Rings and no Lords and ofc Age of Conan and you can't play as Conan. j/k

Wasn't it going to be called Star Wars - The Old Rebuplic ?

seeing as it will be nothing more than wow with a star wars skin maybe they should call it

star wars: the same old sh*t

Originally posted by Sepulcher

So many seem to be thinking in SWG terms when they talk about KotORO.  I see things like "will they have Jedi?" and it boggles my mind.  Do you honestly think, a game with KNIGHT OF THE OLD REPUBLIC will not have Jedi in it? Seriously people.  It will also be an action based MMO, it is not going to be a sandbox.  It will have alot of variety and exploration, no doubt, but it is not going to be an alternate reality.  In a post WoW world corporation see that the majority of people want fast gameplay, quick rewards, and flashy art styles.  They want to get into the action fast, get rewarded, and stand around showing off their gear.  Looks at the market, how many people play games like WoW as opposed to games like EvE? Tons more, thats how many.  EvE has what? 250k subs? Yah that sounds like the winning formula for making tons of money!

If you think that EA/Bioware/LA is going to be making a game for the "fans" you are wrong.  They will be making a game with broad appeal to attract all of their fans, not the hardcore elitists who live in a fantasy world.  Expect to see the iconis classes and powerful action based abilities.  You will see Jedi, Dark Jedi, Sith, Bounty Hunters, and anyone else with flashy attacks.  You will not see any serious effort to make a bunch of crafters, dancers, or musicians.  Thats not Biowares style and it isn't what the market is telling them people want.  Lucas Arts wants to make a blockbuster game, they want Star Wars back in the spotlight.  They have seen over time that the games people buy and enjoy are the ones where you get to play a Jedi.  Thats all there is too it.  People want to have lightsabers and force powers. They do not want to sit in a house all day and make blaster pistols.

Keep on thinking about all the rediculous ideas because you were screwed over in SWG and you feel you are "owed" a game to replace SWG.  You will not get it.  That ship has sailed.  These companies want to make a great game for as many people as possible.  Since the only thing to determine a games greatness is it sales, thats what they will try for.  EA/Bioware/LA are not a group of idealist trying to prove something and make an artistic game that will be appreciated by a minority but applauded for its uniqueness.  They want money, they want success, and they want to have a name brand MMO.

I suggest you take your high hopes and your dream, tuck them away, and never think of them again.  You will not be getting a sandbox game of anykind from a major gaming company.  The market numbers are just not there.  I know some one is going to say "well I like making pistols, or dancing around, or building houses"  thats fine, more power to yah. Big gaming companies don't care about your novelty ideas, they want a franchise.  The sooner you get your head out of the clouds the better.  Please flame me if I crushed your dreams or your refuse to see reality.  It will not change the fact that KotORO will play nothing like SWG.

While I don't like the facts you are pointing out, I agree with what you are saying. LA/Bioware aren't looking to please their angry SWG vets. They are going to try to do what the NGE failed to do: Capture that WoW target audience. And I think a lot of old SWG players, myself included, are going to be very disappointed by this game. This is just my guess though, and I'm still looking forward to the game and I'm hoping I'm wrong.

But on the contrary, WoW is the only game that has done what WoW has done. The big gaming companies see WoW numbers and think that making a WoW clone will capture some of that market share. It won't. I completely disagree when you said "You will not be getting a sandbox game of anykind from a major gaming company.  The market numbers are just not there.". I don't think thats true. The market for a sandbox game is there, the Game is not there. I think there is a large amount of people waiting for a good sandbox style MMO to be released.

WoW's huge numbers are the reason why WoW clone after WoW clone is stuffed down our throat, and why this genre has run so dull and dry over the last couple of years. The market is there for a sandbox style game, and I still cannot believe that no big gaming company has figured it out. I think the best point to prove that is the poll on MMORPG that asked how many games people were subscribed to. I was amazed to see the majority of people weren't subscribed to any. If that doesn't show everyone that the MMO player base is not happy with what we currently have, I don't know what does. But alas, the same old crap that people are tired of keeps getting rehashed and re-releaseed.