Darkfall

Originally posted by grunty

 

Starting in February of this year, the Adellion forum has a grand total of three threads with 21 total posts in them.  This is not a history that shows enough people have any interest in it to warrant a spot on any list of popular games.

I just explained to you that most people don't even know that forum exists. Its hard to post in a forum if you don't know it exists. Do I need to cut and paste what I said?

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by Roin

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by zaxtor99

Thanks for the quick and respectable response. (Even if I don't personally agree, the quick response is appreciated.)

 

- Zaxx

 

The devs have already stated that they don't want you to pay any money before playing the game. They're not out to lie and steal like Funcom was. They refuse use pre-orders to get people into beta, and firmly believe you have a right to try the game before you buy it. Therefore, leave the game be, if you don't think it exists, that's fine, you can ignore the mountain of evidence in front of you all you want until it releases. But its not hurting ANYONE. They aren't asking for money, they're not getting stocks, they're not selling pre-orders. They deserve respect for that, not people like you.

 

They say alot of things.  Stop hanging on their every word as if it's gospel.  You supporters like to mention that, you doubt we will stick around if DF releases.  Let me ask you this.  Say Aventurine does start taking Pre-Orders before letting people play it.  Will you be man enough to apologize to Zaxtor?  Or will you play the part of Tasos and try to spin it into something else?

 

Thank you for making assumptions about me and my stance on games. I like the idea of Darkfall, its the last true MMO (aside from maybe Warhammer) on the horizon. I have read into it enough to know that its real, as should anyone with half a brain. No one reall knows that, what condition the game is. So obviouslly, I don't harp on every word Tasos says. I know the game industry very well, and can read through the lines most of the time. I saw straight through Age of Conan and stopped following it a few years back.

Sometimes Tasos is very blunt and honsest about cut features and the reasons why, he's told us ahead of time. Backround information on him also goes to his credit. The entire team is self funded and perfectionists. When Women's Gamer went there their impression was the game would never be released, not because it didn't exist, but because the developers would never get it into a state they wanted to release it in, because they were obsessed with making it perfect. So, my general impression is that Tasos is an honest person, to an extent, not some anonymous front to a big corporate company trying to hype his game. 

That being said, I take most of what he says with a grain of salt, and try not to get excited about things until I see them.

I very much believe Tasos when he says they won't make you get pre-orders ect ect, it fits with my general impression of how the company is run. By people who actually care about the game, and less so about the money (to an extent.)

If he changes it to allow pre-orders, why wouldn't I admit I'm wrong? I'm not a blind fanboy. Learn the difference, and try doing some research yourself.

You take what he says worth a grain of salt?  I find that really hard to believe.  Considering just about every reply concerning Darkfall, that you make.  Is a quote or comment by Aventurine or Tasos.  Just look at the original post of yours I have quoted.  Then in your current post you say "I very much believe Tasos", about the pre-orders.  Who really believes the word of someone who they say word is "worth a grain of salt"?  You mention his name at least 5 or 6 times in your post.  I mean honestly how am I not supposed to draw that conclusion about you.  When most of what you say is "Tasos said this" or "Aventurine dev's said that".

As for your last sentence you need to relax.  Do you see anywhere in my post where I said you wouldn't or even would?  I asked you directly if you would.  You seem to be under the impression that I was making some personal attack on you.  It was just a question.

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by grunty

 

Starting in February of this year, the Adellion forum has a grand total of three threads with 21 total posts in them.  This is not a history that shows enough people have any interest in it to warrant a spot on any list of popular games.

 

I just explained to you that most people don't even know that forum exists. Its hard to post in a forum if you don't know it exists. Do I need to cut and paste what I said?

 

Good point. I'd say there's been at least a good dozen or so times I've seen someone start a thread titled "Why isn't game X listed here?", to which I have to post to tell them to click on the damn game list at the top. People new to this site, and even some not so new, only think the games they see listed to the left are the only ones here.

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by grunty

 

Starting in February of this year, the Adellion forum has a grand total of three threads with 21 total posts in them.  This is not a history that shows enough people have any interest in it to warrant a spot on any list of popular games.

 

I just explained to you that most people don't even know that forum exists. Its hard to post in a forum if you don't know it exists. Do I need to cut and paste what I said?

 

Cut and paste all you like.  That doesn't change the lack of popularity that Adellion has.

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by grunty

 

Starting in February of this year, the Adellion forum has a grand total of three threads with 21 total posts in them.  This is not a history that shows enough people have any interest in it to warrant a spot on any list of popular games.

 

I just explained to you that most people don't even know that forum exists. Its hard to post in a forum if you don't know it exists. Do I need to cut and paste what I said?

 

 

Good point. I'd say there's been at least a good dozen or so times I've seen someone start a thread titled "Why isn't game X listed here?", to which I have to post to tell them to click on the damn game list at the top. People new to this site, and even some not so new, only think the games they see listed to the left are the only ones here.

Not such a strange assumption to make. Since you are already in the forums.

Originally posted by zaxtor99

This game (or hoax) is hurting the mmo genre and this website as a whole in my opinion. Year after year, they spout off very general and vague statements either about a release date, an upcoming beta (like last year), or a fresh new hot video which turns out to be only a bunch of old stuff spliced together or something.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/189797 - check this out. There is a steady flow of videos and screenshots and some show interface and inventory. I hope the August video will have more detailed gameplay and have a narrator, not just random frapsed stuff put together or mount riding.

I myself heard of this game way back in 2001 when the release date was supposed to be in either the spring or fall of 2003. I was a little excited to see it way back then, but sheesh.. that was SEVEN years ago!

So? You want hotfixes every week and restricted unfinished zones? Someone's trying to release a polished game on the market for a change and people can't comprehend it. AoC was developed for 5 years by a big team but it's still an unfinished piece of shit.

And we STILL don't have any real beta (supposedly they are using computers or NPCS to test their game... WTF!!??) Uhhh, okay.

They are having a closed beta test with professional, payed testers. The open beta will last just a few weeks and be a stress test.

We don't have any specific release date yet.

Inside 2008 is good enough for me.

We don't even have any actual gameplay videos! (Is it really that hard to show some footage using a program like Fraps?)... Come on now.

There is footage showing casting, fighting, massive battles but it's all a mush with 5-6 second scenes and you can't see much. I'm hoping the August video will be better.

They are "supposedly" releasing this game by the end of 2008. And they don't even have a publisher yet? Riiiight.

They have a publisher for Europe - AudioVisual Enterprises. They are a known movie distributor and have announced opening a divison for games. They will just make the CDs and don't interfere with the devs' work. Dunno about an US publisher though.

My concern is not only for all the fans of this game watching the forums on this website for YEARS basically only to feel like utter fools in the end... but I also foresee Adventurine finding some slick way of convincing the fans to put up the credit cards for some kind of a "down payment" or "mailing fee" to get the fans their game.. or maybe to let them play their "demo" or even enter a live "beta" of this game. I'm sure many of these fans would throw up their credit cards to give Adventurine a $5.00 fee to test this game out after watching it for YEARS and YEARS and YEARS. Then we all remember well (or atleast I do) all the forums and "Mourning" forums lit up with customers who were charged MUCH more then was promised and the Mourning devs blaming it on the credit card processing company and all that BS.

Favorite part. First brag about not seeing anything from the game, and then make predictions about it.

Look, I'm really not trying to troll here. I honestly don't believe that this game is actually real in any way, shape, or form. If it was, I think they would have given us atleast a fraps in-game video in seven freakin' years. I'm not sure that this company will try to rob fans of their money either, but whatever is going on with "Darkfall", it certainly smells foul from my angle.

I've seen enough videos and in game screens here - http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/189797

I guess what I'm saying is couldn't this website atleast CONSIDER having small requirements before letting some new game have a forum board on this highly reputable website? Like either a record of releasing mmo games (like Turbine and Blizzard and EA games).. or if its some small new company requiring the game to have atleast announced a public beta or videos (like in-game footage) that leave pretty much no doubt about the state of the game. Yes, I think the newer companies should have to prove more to get their own forum boards here then proven and established game companies.

Nobody's making you come here. Plus, you'll leave the vaportrolls without a playground.

I have been an mmorpg.com member for almost 5 years now. I really like and appreciate this website, but I honestly think even hosting and giving games like this now only HURTS and de-values this websites reputation. I know it has no relations to Adventurine or Darkfall, but at worst I think Darkfall is a huge hoax, and at best it will be another "Dark and Light" and a broken game that will deliver many broken promises to its fans. Just as a retail stores reputation might be lowered if it sells JUNK (even though it may have no relations to the junks manufacturer), I think this websites overall reputation could be severely hurt by offering services and forum boards for games like "Mourning", "Dark and light", and now "Darkfall". And in the end, I predict that "Darkfall" will end up even lower then "Mourning".

There aren't any pre-orders yet and as far as i know open beta will be free. The game has been waited for so long that immediately after open beta starts there will be lots of gameplay videos on Youtube and people will see what they will eventually buy.

That's my opinion, question, and concerns. However legitimate you may or may not think they are. Atleast my concerns are in the right spot for not only this website, but for all the fans that I believe are going to be burned in the end on this particular game.

There isn't any solid proof that the game is vaporware.

- Zaxx

Originally posted by Thoric485

 

They have a publisher for Europe - AudioVisual Enterprises.

No they don't. AudioVisual did not sign any kind of legal agreement with Aventurine to do anything.

A Memorandum of Understanding is nothing more than a big fat MAYBE. And Maybe's in business don't mean anything.  And maybe's 5 months from a supposed commercial launch are a laugh.

Originally posted by Thoric485

 There isn't any solid proof that the game is

considering Darkfall was first publically announced in 2001 and still has no actual release date or even a date for Beta to begin you can safely say that Darkfall is the poster child for vaporware. Every description on the net of vaporware should just use Darkfall as the subject matter.

Originally posted by Thoric485

 

I hope the August video will have more detailed gameplay and not just random frapsed stuff put together or mount riding.

If that doesn't happen then you can sit back and watch as their community crumbles over night.

Because that will finally prove without a doubt that they have nothing but a generic empty game with none of the amazing features they constantly brag about but never back up.

Of course I am sure a few jackasses would still linger to carry the flame of stupidity onward for awhile longer but who cares at that point.

Darkfall will fail. That is 100% guranteed. It's only a matter of WHEN it's going to fail at this point.