We need something like Shadowbane, only not a buggy broken graphically ugly mess.

Something that all the "hardcore" gankers and griefers are always asking for.

It needs to be FFA. You can attack anyone, anywhere. And on top of being able to kill anyone, anywhere, the leveling curve needs to be steep. And just to taunt players, make leveling much easier if you're in a group. Of course, if you do group, someone in the group will probably stab you in the back when your hit points are way down.

Of course, make players lootable. Not just one or two items, but be able to strip someone and take as much gear as you can carry.

And, you should be able to gank newbs, and anyone that is 10 levels above you or more, can totally pwn you, and you can't even do one point of damage to them.

Put everything in it, like stealth, crowd control, and the ability to one shot another player with the right set up. All the stuff that most players cry about.

The graphics dont' need to be bleeding edge, because the sort of players that like this game are more concerned about gameplay than graphics.

We just need one of these games, and we can send all the "hardcore" players that complain about RvR or carebears, or whatever, to that game.

There really isn't anything out, or even in development that I know of, that fits this bill. Not just an after thought FFA server, but a game actually designed to be like this, a real pain in the arse for the casual player that doesn't want to get ganked every 5 minutes. I think there's enough players looking for this sort of gameplay, that it could make a buck. It's not going to be really popular, and it's definitely a niche, but I think it's a niche that needs to be filled.

 No offense to the griefers and gankers out there. Seriously, someone needs to make this game.

Shadowbane? That game was weak.

We need Darkfall baby!

EDIT: Yes I know, im sick of staying with carebears too, we definately need our own game. Bloody Darkfall, release already!

They won't play it :P

They won't have the people who don't want that to terrorize.

Originally posted by GormandY

Shadowbane? That game was weak.

 

We need Darkfall baby!

I forgot to add, because I didn't think it was necessary, that Vaporware doesn't count.

If you're saying we need something LIKE Darkfall, but that is actually in development, then I agree.

But actually, make it more simple than Darkfall, so it's more likely to get finished and released. You don't need to be able to craft ships, and have naval battles and all that baloney. Just add the features I listed in the OP, and that will be good enough.

Originally posted by go4broke

They won't play it :P

 

They won't have the people who don't want that to terrorize.

Actually, they WILL play it. Sure, they'd like it better if they could terrorize players that don't want this sort of gameplay, but they WILL terrorize each other. Sure, subscription numbers will be low compared to most AAA titles, but I think it would work, since you'd be the ONLY hardcore game in town.

The DAoC FFA servers were god awful to play on, but still people played.

Won't work they will cause that game to die like they do others and then infest whatever else comes a long and say their stuff was awesome and is the only way to make games survive.

Originally posted by gestalt11

Won't work they will cause that game to die like they do others and then infest whatever else comes a long and say their stuff was awesome and is the only way to make games survive.

Gilvane, you're the creator of mmorpgmaker aren't you? Grab some people there, and take care of that problem!

Originally posted by gillvane1

Originally posted by GormandY

Shadowbane? That game was weak.

 

We need Darkfall baby!

 

I forgot to add, because I didn't think it was necessary, that Vaporware doesn't count.

If you're saying we need something LIKE Darkfall, but that is actually in development, then I agree.

But actually, make it more simple than Darkfall, so it's more likely to get finished and released. You don't need to be able to craft ships, and have naval battles and all that baloney. Just add the features I listed in the OP, and that will be good enough.

Yes, I mean something exactly like Darkfall thats in development.

I wont say its vaporware, but I wont say its in development either... people can argue on this forever, and this isnt a Darkfall flame thread, so lets not flame it. I hope it released, but chances are bleak as we all know.

As for they wont play it, those arent hardcore players then. They're just pussies. A person who cant take his own medicine deserves to die, seriously.

It's fun killing a bunch of carebears who're defenseless and keep whining about dying etc, but its just SOOO much more fun killing someone that actually poses a challenge.

Originally posted by GormandY

Shadowbane? That game was weak.

We need Darkfall baby!

But you've had it for 7 years..  It's called ForumFall.

Darkfall is played out vaporware that is worse than Shadowbane.

See my avatar for a reality check.

Originally posted by Catizone

Originally posted by GormandY

Shadowbane? That game was weak.

We need Darkfall baby!

 

But you've had it for 7 years..  It's called ForumFall.

Darkfall is played out vaporware that is worse than Shadowbane.

See my avatar for a reality check.

ForumFall? Bah, a bunch of guys that think they're hardcore.

Worse than Shadowbane? It probably never will see the light of day, so you cant really make a comparison.

I never said it WILL release, and I never said it WONT.

What I meant to say was, we need something like Darkfall. Period.

Originally posted by gillvane1

Originally posted by gestalt11

Won't work they will cause that game to die like they do others and then infest whatever else comes a long and say their stuff was awesome and is the only way to make games survive.

 

Was this meant to prove my point?  Because if you consider yourself hardcore then it did...

It wouldn't work, because the only people that would play such a game would be the people who want to gank others all day long, and since eventually the gankers would become the gankees, they would quit because that just isn't fun.

bottom line, the "hardcore pvp'ers" who want full pvp, really just want full pvp on their own terms...and while I understand that this was a joke OP, it really is telling of the attitude that pervades so much of the "hardcore pvp" community.

There is also Mortal Online, just started development so I wouldn't look for it anytime soon.

I'd like to see a hardcore pvp game get released.  Not because I really want to play I'm just curious to see if it will work or if the community would implode on itself.  Interesting science project on human behavior.

That game is already here it's called EVE Online and we have plenty of prey to terrorize

Whatever you cant take has been burned to the bone. and if you too lazy to kill them just hold'em up for ransom then shoot'em if you feeling extra mean

It doesn't get much better then that <smokes a cigarette>

Yep, EvE is the game the OP refers to.

Either a lot of you are able to read minds, or you should just stop assuming you know what some people want.

Not everyone that wants a hardcore pvp game wants one so they can gank and grief.

And the OP pretty much described Lineage 2.  Minus the lootable corpses and weak graphics.

Eve is concentual pvp.  You don't have to go to lower security systems if you don't want to.  Not nocking Eve just stating facts.

I gave Eve a try and I really wanted to like it but it just didn't do it for me.

Pirates of the Burning Sea

Originally posted by gillvane1

We need something like Shadowbane, only not a buggy broken graphically ugly mess.

Something that all the "hardcore" gankers and griefers are always asking for.

It needs to be FFA. You can attack anyone, anywhere. And on top of being able to kill anyone, anywhere, the leveling curve needs to be steep. And just to taunt players, make leveling much easier if you're in a group. Of course, if you do group, someone in the group will probably stab you in the back when your hit points are way down.

Of course, make players lootable. Not just one or two items, but be able to strip someone and take as much gear as you can carry.

And, you should be able to gank newbs, and anyone that is 10 levels above you or more, can totally pwn you, and you can't even do one point of damage to them.

Put everything in it, like stealth, crowd control, and the ability to one shot another player with the right set up. All the stuff that most players cry about.

The graphics dont' need to be bleeding edge, because the sort of players that like this game are more concerned about gameplay than graphics.

We just need one of these games, and we can send all the "hardcore" players that complain about RvR or carebears, or whatever, to that game.

There really isn't anything out, or even in development that I know of, that fits this bill. Not just an after thought FFA server, but a game actually designed to be like this, a real pain in the arse for the casual player that doesn't want to get ganked every 5 minutes. I think there's enough players looking for this sort of gameplay, that it could make a buck. It's not going to be really popular, and it's definitely a niche, but I think it's a niche that needs to be filled.

 No offense to the griefers and gankers out there. Seriously, someone needs to make this game.

I believe these are named Counterstrike, TF2, etc, etc.  Well, except for the whole leveling aspect.

You want true frag infested PVP, go play a FPS.  This gameplay has been around for almost a couple decades.