WAR (Warhammer Online)

Originally posted by Tee312

Originally posted by Sain34

It's not a sandbox game by any sense of the word, but it should still be fun.

 

What do you define Sandbox as?  Sandbox, for me, is an open world where you can go or do anything.  Kind of live Oblivion, that seems to come to mind.  I don't know of any MMO that is "sandbox" except Vanguard and the original EQ, thats about as close as I can see.

He was talking about it being linear, like follow the line, go here and here, no where else.

I think he means by sandbox, something a very intelligent person, such as himself, plays as opposed to linear games which appeal to most people because they are sheep/idiots. 

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Originally posted by _Shadowmage
Tier 1 for the High Elves is a giant sandbox. They defend the beaches (sand) from the Dark Elf invasion.

Is that what you mean?

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You sir win this thread.

   I think  each tier will be sandbox but the whole warhammer world will not be connected.Example world of warcraft wer the whole world map is connected as a whole.

 WAR is not a sandbox on any level that I can think of.

The PvE component of the game is story-based, meaning you follow a story that weaves through the various quests, zones, etc., of the game world. It is expected, though not required, that you follow this story and reveal the lore, all while leveling up, getting loot, doing fun things, etc. It is not 100% linear, in that you do not have to do it, and there are lots of optional components, as well as extra things, but there is a main story arc.

While that is going on, you can do open RvR, take keeps, and do scenarios (think WoW battlegrounds).

The crafting, by Mark Jacobs's own admission, is fairly limited. It is geared to what the game about - war in RvR form. There is no bread baking or music playing.

The end game is the most dynamic bit, where you can level up your city, conquer the enemy's, etc. But still, it is mostly an MMORPG world that is influenced by arena elements. And I say this is the best way I can. Once you are "done" the PvE portion of the game, as it will run out, like it does in all games, you will be in an arena that looks like a world.

If you go into this game expecting PvE in the same vein as WoW, with a few cool twists, and RvR in the same vein as DAoC, again with a few cool twists, you will not be disappointed. If you go in expecting an open world where you can do anything you want, be whatever you want, then look elsewhere.

Originally posted by wjrasmussen

Originally posted by Tee312

Originally posted by Sain34

It's not a sandbox game by any sense of the word, but it should still be fun.

 

What do you define Sandbox as?  Sandbox, for me, is an open world where you can go or do anything.  Kind of live Oblivion, that seems to come to mind.  I don't know of any MMO that is "sandbox" except Vanguard and the original EQ, thats about as close as I can see.

He was talking about it being linear, like follow the line, go here and here, no where else.

 

I think he means by sandbox, something a very intelligent person, such as himself, plays as opposed to linear games which appeal to most people because they are sheep/idiots. 

Sandbox vs Linear has nothing to do with intellect. Some people prefer to explore and create their own content and some people prefer to be given content to do. You don't call people who like to cook at home intelligent and people who like to eat at a restaurant sheep/idiots do you? A home cooked meal can be nice but a fancy dinner can be nice as well.

Sandbox games don't really get made because the amount of people that want them is shadowed by the amount of people that want content put in front of them. Not to mention the fact that if you ask 15 different people about the definition of a sandbox game you will get 15 different answers. Some say no levels, some say no set content, some say no set path, etc.

As for WAR being a sandbox-ish game? Nope. There are 3 pairings, levels, set areas for objectives, and set content. So by anyones definition it isn't sandbox.

thank you Distaste, you put that very well and I agree with both your points.

Originally posted by Raztor

No, it's pretty far from being a sandbox game. Anything that begins with specific classes automatically fails this test ;)

What a total load of BS.

Originally posted by Distaste

Originally posted by wjrasmussen

Originally posted by Tee312

Originally posted by Sain34

It's not a sandbox game by any sense of the word, but it should still be fun.

 

What do you define Sandbox as?  Sandbox, for me, is an open world where you can go or do anything.  Kind of live Oblivion, that seems to come to mind.  I don't know of any MMO that is "sandbox" except Vanguard and the original EQ, thats about as close as I can see.

He was talking about it being linear, like follow the line, go here and here, no where else.

 

I think he means by sandbox, something a very intelligent person, such as himself, plays as opposed to linear games which appeal to most people because they are sheep/idiots. 

 

Sandbox vs Linear has nothing to do with intellect. Some people prefer to explore and create their own content and some people prefer to be given content to do. You don't call people who like to cook at home intelligent and people who like to eat at a restaurant sheep/idiots do you? A home cooked meal can be nice but a fancy dinner can be nice as well.

Sandbox games don't really get made because the amount of people that want them is shadowed by the amount of people that want content put in front of them. Not to mention the fact that if you ask 15 different people about the definition of a sandbox game you will get 15 different answers. Some say no levels, some say no set content, some say no set path, etc.

 

As for WAR being a sandbox-ish game? Nope. There are 3 pairings, levels, set areas for objectives, and set content. So by anyones definition it isn't sandbox.

Looks like you didn't read into what the person you quoted wrote and quickly shot off your own opinion.
 

Originally posted by FreddyNoNose

Originally posted by Raztor

No, it's pretty far from being a sandbox game. Anything that begins with specific classes automatically fails this test ;)

 

What a total load of BS.

And yet he is right. Sandbox means customizable.

Until developers understand that MMO's are meant to be customizable and not pre-defined garbage classes then this genre is doomed.

What if I just enjoy crafting and become a jack of all trades and supply my guild with rop notch gear and not be limited to 1 selection.

If you look at pre-cu SWG and UO those were true MMO's. WoW, AoC, and now WAR are nothing different than FPS styled game. No selection but a weapon and defined path or open world to get to the same goal as everyone else.

UO and SWG for example had different goals. As a crafter you wanted to make money and make the best armor. As Bounty Hunter you hunted Jedi. But the point was you had different paths for different goals.

But enough about what MMO's should be or not. WAR is by no means a sandbox, it is just a game with different style of play and selection of classes.