Originally posted by sm0kingk1lls

Your wording shows your own bias, there is no rant here merely criticism.

Your very first sentence only reinforces what I mention, you went north and got kicked out. And that's in the north a piece of space no-ones cared about from the GNW to RA's let steal all the prom moons. You couldn't compete, you didn't contend. You don't mention which alliance you were part of so its hard to give a more insightful appraisal of your achievements, i'm guessing TRI? how was that CVA campaign?. But your own description of your attempts is comparable to sticking a pos in reinforced, its easy enough to begin but to stay the course and in the example of this analogy turn up and finish it off is quite a different matter.

In regard to GTC, the limitations of GTC selling are only very recently implemented and needless to say cashing out has many other methods none of which i'm going to give a guide to here as while in a system you can buy into I see no reason you shouldn't cash out, i'd personally rather neither were possible.

The links give examples of the attitude toward buying GTC ingame. IE that it's rampant and noobs not even out of their 14day free trial are already trying to do it. Like I said only CCP could provide actual facts and figures these are merely examples of attitudes.

If you'd like to review the changes of attitudes toward GTC selling use 'GTC seller' as your query in eve-search go back a year and further and see the scorn heaped upon such people then. To have missed it you must be quite a young character ingame as it was always a heated topic of debate.

 

 

you just mad because every one against you go home cry to mommy and then come back :P

You have absolutely no idea of our corps reasons for moving out of the North, nor of the reasons for the decline of the alliance under which we flew before the move, and no, I have never been a member of a TRI corp. I will not elaborate further, since it will annoy you.

As for GTCs, yes, I remember the debate, and also remember it died an impotent death when 'OMGOMG EVE's Economy Doomsday' didn't materialize after all. At that time, I supported CCP's decision to go for GMT business, as I could not see any valid reason why they should not from a business standpoint. Rather them getting the money then a parasite company running off EULA violations and spamming my EVEmail daily.

Originally posted by sm0kingk1lls

 

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Originally posted by etaonnextban
Completly biased and disagree with almost everything you said,first of all I almost stop reading after you said that CCP filters negative press... sorry but that's extremly wrong.

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Oh really?

So how about the removal of SHC as a community fansite after ISD got outed even resulting in a public apology from CCP after it was pointed out they weren't the ones providing the public with the information.

How about you compare eve-search to eve-o over a day and see the moderation of any negative posting.

How about you look into the time CCP ambiguously started threatening law suits because they didn't like there wikipedia page?

Sorry to shatter your bubble however but while i'm jaded and in a mood for shit posting a game going into decline, i've played the game for years and flown with the most elite corps/players in the game and have exploded everything around me since about 3hrs into the game when I moved to low sec. I'd like to give a hint about the type of player writing this post and that's why i've done so but this isn't about me it's about eve. Here are facts, if you disagree please try to refute them with contrary facts or even debate and you'll look less like a fanboi tit making wild speculations.

What a misdirected rant.  Just because you got burnt out on the game you take out your frustrations on the game and others when in reality you should just shut up and move on.  the only thing I see here is ISK envy. 
 

Nothing wrong with Eve, it is not for everyone, those who play it, enjoy it.   

Pliz stop crying kid, go play wow or something. Just because in this game it take time to build something big ( a good) alliance for example. Doesnt mean you cna start one, just start in empire, make a name for yourself as a merc corp, get a few nice kills then merge with other mercs, epurate the corp from crying kids liek you and potential spies. Start an alliance, dont need 2k players at that point, assault one of the minor less liekd alliances that hold some turf. Once you got turf start recruiting with a buffer corp, finding ppl that hate BOB and GOON shouldn't be too hard.

You menting out of game attacks, in this game winning actually means something to many players, if you lets your ts servs/ forums open othe alliances will attack them during big wars. But we are talking about the most hardcore players here, the same kind of guys that'd gank in other games. If your not ready to do a lot to win eve 0.0 fighting is not for you. O and that eve relies on numbers talk isnt fully true some merc corps are makign a huge difference during alliance wars backstabbing and attacking supply routes used by alliances.

About gtc selling, tis not liek money is that much of an issue in this game, you cna make billions with a decent mining op system

If you dont like pvp either dont play this game or stay in empire. Bs reviews like yours dont mean anything.

Btw for the whiners in need of pvp like you the empyrean age expansion came out a few weeks ago. O and btw only goons run around yelling what corp they are from most corps tell their members not to talk too much with their main account or to say what alliance they are in to avoid wd spam.

Originally posted by sm0kingk1lls

 

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Originally posted by etaonnextban
Completly biased and disagree with almost everything you said,first of all I almost stop reading after you said that CCP filters negative press... sorry but that's extremly wrong.

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Oh really?

So how about the removal of SHC as a community fansite after ISD got outed even resulting in a public apology from CCP after it was pointed out they weren't the ones providing the public with the information.

How about you compare eve-search to eve-o over a day and see the moderation of any negative posting.

How about you look into the time CCP ambiguously started threatening law suits because they didn't like there wikipedia page?

Sorry to shatter your bubble however but while i'm jaded and in a mood for shit posting a game going into decline, i've played the game for years and flown with the most elite corps/players in the game and have exploded everything around me since about 3hrs into the game when I moved to low sec. I'd like to give a hint about the type of player writing this post and that's why i've done so but this isn't about me it's about eve. Here are facts, if you disagree please try to refute them with contrary facts or even debate and you'll look less like a fanboi tit making wild speculations.

This is truly funny!  You're demaning facts?  When you yourself have provided nothing even close to resembling one so far?
 

Just give it up, all you're proving is that you're upset for some reason and have nothing better to do but bash EVE.

Why not use your time for something constructive instead?

@Finwolven What an ignorant assumption, just because you haven't stated who you flew with dosen't mean for a minute I don't know about you and your dirty laundry, i'm very well informed thanks.

You clearly you don't remember the debate as eves economy never had anything to do with it, it was to do with avoiding the effort others were investing by using a method to circumvent what was a much touted feature of eve, that being the harsh death penalty and how negating that completely removed the ability to impact groups most especially non-space holding entities.

@Ozmodan CCP has proved on multiple occasions the only method of encouraging them to address problems is air in public their failings. Why should I shut up and move on? Because discussion may bring change and change may bring an improvement?

@beaverz Yes thats what you'd like to believe lets take some case examples. TRI, skilled and powerful, assaults CVA, is blobbed out by Goon assistance. SMASHKILL, noobish but with determination, assaults drone regions, is blobbed out by RA subgroups and then gets kicked out its space by Goon's. So sure please feel free to give examples of any new entity taking space and defending it once its owners begin to reclaim it, or any mercenary outfit with a name for itself, hell even MC started to fabricate contracts (vs big blue, note: back to killing noobs when your outblobbed elsewhere again)

Supply chains being attacked by mercenaries lol which eve do you play? can I subscribe to eve sans jump bridges, jump freighters and jump portals? Even CCP has stated that the game has gone to portals to the castle keep.  As for empyrean age yes that worked out really well, two blobs on either side of the tama, nouv gate.

Anyway the trolls are here, clearly recognizable by the fact they can't argue the points debated only sling shit and name call. Along with the fanbois who will here no ill word spoken vs their product of choice. But we'll wait patiently for people to offer reasoned debate and respond as it appears :)

"But we'll wait patiently for people to offer reasoned debate and respond as it appears :)"

Oh God, this makes me laugh!

Your going to be waiting a long time my friend, as nothing that even resembles what you mentioned exist on MMORPG.com

Reasoned debate? WTF is that?

If you are so well versed in my facts and dirty laundry, perhaps you can then air it for me and all others to see, with my permission... Because I'm rather curious about it myself. I did wonder where all my socks disappear, perhaps they are in that pile.

As for the debate, sounds like I clearly participated in the other part of that debate, the one that was interested mainly in the actual effects to the game instead of the prancing, posturing and outright shouting matches that went on about the 'morality'. My opinion was then and is now that CCP gets to do what they want with their sandbox, and if it benefits them and harms RMTers, it's a positive thing.

You may disagree with me, or might consider my opinion superfluous, but it quite clearly states my entire interest in the GTC trade system.

I don't see you 'airing' anything in this conversation, really. You shout a lot about how 'there are things going on that we're not told about', but fail to provide evidence. Even the BoB - Dev debacle didn't go anywhere until there was evidence, so all you are accomplishing is alienating the people who already have heard it a thousand times (and believe me, I at least haven't seen any truly original claims in your postings).

As for calling us trolls, well, it must be frustrating to be met with reasoned arguments you cannot refute, since you consistently choose to attack the messenger and not the message. The message we give is as simple as 'I disagree'. I do not say you should just stop worrying and start loving the Bomb, but allow me the right to disagree with your argument without calling me a troll, shit-slinger and any other derogatory terms. Even indirectly. Thank you.

PM me your corp/alliance and i'll PM you what I know back if your unhappy posting here but for the third time unless your going to say who you flew with, not much I can do for you.

You have been participating in the debate and while we disagree you seem quite confused in that you were never called a troll, to the point where they were clearly singled out as people posting nothing more than 'QQ MOAR", nor has anyone been attacked instead of their message, you seem to be clutching at straws for any reason to argue over other than the op.

 Reasoned arguments I cannot refute? what argument have you reasoned, that CCP's GTC system harms RMT, wtf has this got to do with anything? I've stated people legally buy GTC (and that's bad for the game) and that people cash out of the game (not uniquely through GTC). How easy, the method by which its done is irrelevant the point is it happens. You do realise this is the epitome of a straw man argument?

As for 'shouting' that things are happening and your not being told, erm where?

Eh. Sounds like someone just had a bad experience and couldn't stand it.

Who the hell cares if some rich guy can afford a 1000 GTC's to get the isk to buy a cap char with Titan? An unexperienced player with a super cap = LOL. He will die the first time he encounters a half way decent alliance.

Train Hictor, tackle him and cackle your head off as the Dreads are cynoed in to pulverize it.

Yes someone with money can buy himself an advantage of isk, but your brain is your greatest asset and can overcome his wallet size with ease.

Also claiming that there is no skill involved in fleet warfare is ludicrous. Maybe you don't pay attention to what's happening and just press f1-f8 until you pop, but there is usually lots that can be done by observing what's actually going on, if you want to improve you and your sides chances of winning the battle.

Some of the old alliances have been around for a long time and has had a long time to dig their foxhole, but why should you be able to trash all their work with no effort? Seems to me that is what you're expecting...

If you want to compete, then you'll have to build something that is attractive to players so you can build a strong fleet. And get a foothold somewhere in nullsec. Doing so is not impossible, but on the other hand NOBODY ever said EVE would be easy.

I think your main problem is your defeatist attitude.

I forget who said this (loosely quoted):

"If you say 'I can't' to yourself every day for a month, do you think it will suddenly become easier?"

I am firmly convinced that the biggest limitation we face as EVE players is the limitation of our own thinking.

I'm helping to prepare a corporation for factional warfare.  I am amazed at all that we have discovered in the way of preparation.  Things that could just as easily be overlooked by ourselves or our opponents.  Sure, we will need skill when battle is joined, but skill cannot overcome inadequate preparation.

We are small and doing something on a small scale.  If we were large enough and more experienced we would be working on that 0.0 foothold and setting our sights on the best way to cut our own spot out of someone elses space.  :)

From my understanding, most players see eve PvP as

Lock target
Press F1-F8
Turn tank on (or speed tank)
Wait to see who dies first.

While eve PvP is by no means a twitch game, solo and small gang pvp still has a very strong individual skill element in it.

I remember sort of having a similar idea, wherein the skill was pretty much all in the ship type and selection of fitting.  In my little world, if you had a combination of better ship, better fitting fitting and/or skills you would win.  I thought I was a relativley decent pvper because I had a few pretty nasty setups (read: Mostly NOS or ECM abuse before they changed them) until I met a guy called Gazza29 this was in mid 04 to mid 05 I think... (pretty sure we were alliance mates in XETIC and then later ASCN but he quit in 2005.. I think the guy who has his account now bought it).. he used to go out in the biggest pile of shit ships than nobody thought were any good for solo pvp back then.  Even now nobody considers ships like the Harpy or to a lesser degree, the cerberus for solo PVP... He didnt use nanos, ecm, or nos or any of that stuff which was considered king for 1v1 back then.. would go deep into hostile space alone with cheap fittings... get their attention by killing a hauler or a miner or two... and then just rack up kill after kill, splitting them up and roaming around, winning numerous 1vN's that nobody thought was possible and he had by far the most solo BS kills with frigates and other smaller ships that never should have been able to pull it off than anyone else I knew.   Since then I've really ignored the 'general consensus' of eve and just tried to use every single mechanic of the eve universe somehow to my advantage.  There is a lot to eve pvp than meets the eye initially. 

IMO the most overlooked factor by far is manouvering... Especially if you pilot Amarr ships.

Right on Jeratan!

For anyone who thinks EVE PvP is:

Lock target
Press F1-F8
Turn tank on (or speed tank)
Wait to see who dies first.
 

They should have a look at the EVE-O Tracking Guide or Missle Guide.  These will open up a whole new world of tactics to the PvPer, as well as a whole new set of things to consider in weapon selection.

@smoking ever heard of wd a corp that does in empire trade to make money for alliances?

O and sure a new corp cant kill bob in a year, but make enough money, recruit enought people, time you assault right and you can take down any alliance's titan, adn even if you ally with the right people take down one of the smaller alliance (IRC and the likes)

Originally posted by Eschiava

Right on Jeratan!

For anyone who thinks EVE PvP is:

Lock target
Press F1-F8
Turn tank on (or speed tank)
Wait to see who dies first.
 

They should have a look at the EVE-O Tracking Guide or Missle Guide.  These will open up a whole new world of tactics to the PvPer, as well as a whole new set of things to consider in weapon selection.

If they don't understand gunnery/missile mechanics then definetly yes.
Manouvering stratecially goes a lot more beyond tracking and missile explosion mechanics, though.

Even I am still learning ways to refine my strategies.. outsmarting and outmanouvering my opponents after thousands of kills, hundreds of billions isk damage done and considerable experience FCing.  If you think you know everything there is to know about eve pvp I can promise you your confidence is ill-placed.

Tsk, tsk .. so OP how much did you lose? This is one of the most elaborate whine posts ive ever seen, and it mostly contains slander, facts taken from the game and exagerated beyond belief plus some of your oppinions that are completly bull.

I wont debate with you and try to convince you to wake up and look at the game as it is, but i do find some of your affirmations hilarious at best. And pfft, no Outbreak aint dead. Check your facts.

Selling GTC for ISK does not mean anyone payed for their multi-billion ISK ships with GTCs.  That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.  While possible, it isn't plausible.  Not only that, but there is absolutely zero proof of anyone buying a titan with GTCs.  It is just a 'fact' that you pulled out of nowhere based on assumptions that people made.  It is asinine to think that someone -actually- spent that much real life money on a game.  And if they did, I don't know why you're complaining.  They're the stupid ones.  If a guy actually spent over 40 grand on something that could be lost at any moment.. he's a complete idiot, and it won't last long.

Good points op. Maybe that's why Curzon Dax left.