Age of Conan

Originally posted by openedge1

Originally posted by LondonMagus

That doesn't necessarily mean that the Quantcast statistics are completely useless & unreliable, but it does make them a lot more interesting to interpret.

You mean like...

Xfires statistics?

THATS WHAT WE BEEN SAYING DooD!

Sheesh

Actually that's what I have been saying all along too, "There are Lies, Damn Lies &" well you know the rest!

Originally posted by LondonMagus

Originally posted by openedge1

Originally posted by LondonMagus

That doesn't necessarily mean that the Quantcast statistics are completely useless & unreliable, but it does make them a lot more interesting to interpret.

You mean like...

Xfires statistics?

THATS WHAT WE BEEN SAYING DooD!

Sheesh

 

Actually that's what I have been saying all along too, "There are Lies, Damn Lies &" well you know the rest!

OMG...YOU were the one to use the Quantics in the first place to attack Xfire users. And now it is not worthy?

YOUR original post

MMORPG

"So lets see, according to the quantcast analysis, the majority of Xfire users are actually below the age limit for the game which means that even though the '18-34' cluster is very crude it is likely that it will be haevily skewed toward the lower boundary."

I give up. You have argued an argument based on Quantics data YOU provided, then turn around and state it is not trust worthy...

You sir are unbelievable.

Give up edge..

this guy would argue black = white for AoC....

Originally posted by openedge1

Originally posted by LondonMagus

Originally posted by openedge1

Originally posted by LondonMagus

That doesn't necessarily mean that the Quantcast statistics are completely useless & unreliable, but it does make them a lot more interesting to interpret.

You mean like...

Xfires statistics?

THATS WHAT WE BEEN SAYING DooD!

Sheesh

 

Actually that's what I have been saying all along too, "There are Lies, Damn Lies &" well you know the rest!

OMG...YOU were the one to use the Quantics in the first place to attack Xfire users. And now it is not worthy?

YOUR original post

MMORPG

"So lets see, according to the quantcast analysis, the majority of Xfire users are actually below the age limit for the game which means that even though the '18-34' cluster is very crude it is likely that it will be haevily skewed toward the lower boundary."

I give up. You have argued an argument based on Quantics data YOU provided, then turn around and state it is not trust worthy...

You sir are unbelievable.

Nope, that's just the statistics. I quoted the Quantcast stats because they were also used in another thread. Also I didn't say they were untrustworthy, just tricky to interpret.

If you think about it logically, the age statistics are more likely to be accurate than the ones on parentage, since if you were going to acquire data from sources that included children, would you ask them if they were already parents themselves?

I'm glad you have finally given up though, since the Quantcast stats were just 'Icing on the Cake' & the strongest arguments about Xfire being unrepresentative are actually ones like the post by Ethion earlier on average hours spent in any MMO per day & that you also commended.

Contrary to what dorumor said though, I wouldn't argue that 'Black = White' for anyone since clearly it doesn't.

all that matters is a certain percentage of AoC players also use XFire and the number of players who play AoC and also use XFire are logging in fewer and fewer hours each day. A subscriber is a subscriber is a subscriber. We will never know what percentage of AoC players use Xfire or how they relate to the average AoC player, but what we do know is the number of XFire hours logged in AoC is going down about 10 - 15% each week. Anything else is just speculation.

Now if the someone  can come up with some hard data, not speculation or opinion, to show me that the average XFire gamer tends to abandon a game faster than the average MMO player does that would mean something. Otherwise it would be a safe bet that  AoC is  losing 10% plus players each week.

Originally posted by Jackdog

all that matters is a certain percentage of AoC players also use XFire and the number of players who play AoC and also use XFire are logging in fewer and fewer hours each day. A subscriber is a subscriber is a subscriber. We will never know what percentage of AoC players use Xfire or how they relate to the average AoC player, but what we do know is the number of XFire hours logged in AoC is going down about 10 - 15% each week. Anything else is just speculation.

Now if the someone  can come up with some hard data, not speculation or opinion, to show me that the average XFire gamer tends to abandon a game faster than the average MMO player does that would mean something. Otherwise it would be a safe bet that  AoC is  losing 10% plus players each week.

Almost there, it just falls down in the last paragraph.

The arguments & data showing that Xfire seems to be correlated to younger gamers who seem to play for much longer sessions & therefore not exactly typical have been reproduced many times & generally accepted by people who originally thought the Xfire number were signfiicant. The data about average gaming hours per day was quoted by another poster earlier & created using the Xfire's own statistics across all MMOs, not just AoC.

It is a generally accepted principle in statistics that significant deviations in core demographics such as 'age'  between two populations usually also implies large variations in behaviour & preferences linked to lifestyle choice, e.g. gaming habits.

What 'hard data, not speculation or opinion' do you have to show that this principle somehow does not apply to Xfire users? If this is what you consider a 'safe bet', I wouldn't recommend visiting 'Las Vegas'.

X fire numbers also show that the population of tundra rabbits is growing exponentially in turkmenistan, true story

Originally posted by LondonMagus

 

Almost there, it just falls down in the last paragraph.

The arguments & data showing that Xfire seems to be correlated to younger gamers who seem to play for much longer sessions & therefore not exactly typical have been reproduced many times & generally accepted by people who originally thought the Xfire number were signfiicant. The data about average gaming hours per day was quoted by another poster earlier & created using the Xfire's own statistics across all MMOs, not just AoC.

 

as long as we are speculating , how about this. Since you seem to think that XFire users are younger and play more hours you ever consider that they are more likly  to put up with more crap because 50 bucks means more to them than say some one who has a higher income. It's a good possibility that they could be on the low end of the people quitting and the general population could be dropping at a much higher rate than the 15% or so of the XFire population leaving each week.

But the good news for FC is it is slowing, they only dropped 11% last week between the 13th and 20th figures. More and more it is boiling down to the hard core fanbois. Or more fanbois are getting on XFire to try and artificially  inflate the figures. heh heh , it really does not matter now though, I think the game is past ever coming close to the success they wanted and the quarterly stock reports will show it as it is, unless they cook the books Enron style LOL

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by LondonMagus

 

Almost there, it just falls down in the last paragraph.

The arguments & data showing that Xfire seems to be correlated to younger gamers who seem to play for much longer sessions & therefore not exactly typical have been reproduced many times & generally accepted by people who originally thought the Xfire number were signfiicant. The data about average gaming hours per day was quoted by another poster earlier & created using the Xfire's own statistics across all MMOs, not just AoC.

 

as long as we are speculating , how about this. Since you seem to think that XFire users are younger and play more hours you ever consider that they are more likly  to put up with more crap because 50 bucks means more to them than say some one who has a higher income. It's a good possibility that they could be on the low end of the people quitting and the general population could be dropping at a much higher rate than the 15% or so of the XFire population leaving each week.

But the good news for FC is it is slowing, they only dropped 11% last week between the 13th and 20th figures. More and more it is boiling down to the hard core fanbois. Or more fanbois are getting on XFire to try and artificially  inflate the figures. heh heh , it really does not matter now though, I think the game is past ever coming close to the success they wanted and the quarterly stock reports will show it as it is, unless they cook the books Enron style LOL

OMG, we almost agree on something! As I have said several times, for all I know the figures for the general population could be worse than those suggested by Xfire. My main point was that there is little point in posting projections of doom with every twitch in the Xfire figures as they are not respresentative.

As far as speculation on things boiling down to hardcore fanbois, that is all it is quite literally. There is no evidence to prove this unless of course you are suggesting the old fashioned 'Us & Them' tribal response that anyone who isn't a 'Hatebois' must be a 'Fanbois'.

As for the conspiracy theories on 'cooking the books', that sounds more like 'X-Files' than 'X-Fire'.