Lord of the Rings Online

Originally posted by Grindalyx

Originally posted by Slampig

"There is so much more to the books than war. At times i wish the trilogy would of been named something other than the war of the ring. It seems people see that name for the trilogy and assume that is all the books are about."

 

Say what?

 

I was venting. I get tired of how people state that the trilogy is about nothing but the war for the ring. When it is so much deeper than that. I know not everyone will agree with me on this but that is the bueaty of forums you can say whatever you want. And my personal believe is that another name would of been better and more suited for the books.

I agree with you. There is so much more going on then a war. Just like in real life. World War II wasn't just about the battles but everything that led up to, during and after the war.

Originally posted by Yamota

The lore is all but set for a conflict between the Good and the Evil so why dont they introduce Orcs, Urukhais, Goblins and "Men of the South" as playable evil races and let us fight for control of Middle Earth?

It seems so obvious...

because ganking noobs and attacking lone players with a large group is only fun for a few - you know, players that like to gank noobs or to form large groups to prey on much smaller groups or a lone player out on his own

Originally posted by Grindalyx

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Hexxeity

It would have taken a LOT more development time and money to deliver a satisfying PvP experience of the sort requested by the OP.

That is the only reason, and it is a perfectly acceptable one.  It's not a PvP game, and was never intended to be.

 

Ahh finally a reason that makes some sense (that the lore doesnt support it I cant see at all).

 

I can buy that but still, would be fun to be a "slave to Saruman/Sauron" and fight the good races or even better to fight evil races who are actually real people rather than AI mobiles. I really dont see the challenge to fight a computer program that doesnt have the intelligence of a 10 year old.

What makes you think that the monster players in the game are AI? They are real people like you playing the monster in the moors. They are flesh and blood thinking humans like you ask to fight against. There is no AI running the monsters in the moors that you fight against. This makes your point and argument mute cause what you ask for is in the game. You just can't run around the open world and PVP. You can't lvl that monster from 1-50 but instead have to do quests and get destiny points to lvl up the monsters skills. Since the lvl 50 monster you roll starts out with lvl one skills.
 

Do a little research on the game before you make such wild accusations that the monster players in the game are all AI. It maybe fun to you to be a slave of sauron or saruman and to have no towns or villages and be limited to a small area of playable space to lvl up in but i am willing to bet though you say that now if they did this and limited you to the places in the books that the evil races are you would be here yelling about how unfair it is that the free people get access to the whole map and evil races are limited.

By the way alot of the pople who play MMO's and PVP are these low intelligent 10 year olds that you are talking about the AI being no smarter then.

What on earth are you talking about? I never said that the monsters players in Ettenmoors are AI, and its just one zone, I was talking about all the other zones.

As for the lore, I dont think the developers has to follow it as strictly as you think they have. Just because no towns with evil mobs were described in the books doesnt mean the devs can create one for this game. That is an assumption on your part. For example, those "evil" people from the south that rode those huge elephant creatures looked not like slaves of Saruman but rather a human race similar to that of Gondor. It would not be unlikely at all that they had cities and towns.

And I am not sure what you are saying with your last statement. Are you saying that alot of people playing AIs are not more intelligent than an AI? If you are then I dont know what to say to that except that we have very different views on how smart the AI is compared to how smart a human being is. AI are so far from matching us it is not even a contest...

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Grindalyx

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Hexxeity

It would have taken a LOT more development time and money to deliver a satisfying PvP experience of the sort requested by the OP.

That is the only reason, and it is a perfectly acceptable one.  It's not a PvP game, and was never intended to be.

 

Ahh finally a reason that makes some sense (that the lore doesnt support it I cant see at all).

 

I can buy that but still, would be fun to be a "slave to Saruman/Sauron" and fight the good races or even better to fight evil races who are actually real people rather than AI mobiles. I really dont see the challenge to fight a computer program that doesnt have the intelligence of a 10 year old.

What makes you think that the monster players in the game are AI? They are real people like you playing the monster in the moors. They are flesh and blood thinking humans like you ask to fight against. There is no AI running the monsters in the moors that you fight against. This makes your point and argument mute cause what you ask for is in the game. You just can't run around the open world and PVP. You can't lvl that monster from 1-50 but instead have to do quests and get destiny points to lvl up the monsters skills. Since the lvl 50 monster you roll starts out with lvl one skills.
 

Do a little research on the game before you make such wild accusations that the monster players in the game are all AI. It maybe fun to you to be a slave of sauron or saruman and to have no towns or villages and be limited to a small area of playable space to lvl up in but i am willing to bet though you say that now if they did this and limited you to the places in the books that the evil races are you would be here yelling about how unfair it is that the free people get access to the whole map and evil races are limited.

By the way alot of the pople who play MMO's and PVP are these low intelligent 10 year olds that you are talking about the AI being no smarter then.

 

What on earth are you talking about? I never said that the monsters players in Ettenmoors are AI, and its just one zone, I was talking about all the other zones.

As for the lore, I dont think the developers has to follow it as strictly as you think they have. Just because no towns with evil mobs were described in the books doesnt mean the devs can create one for this game. That is an assumption on your part. For example, those "evil" people from the south that rode those huge elephant creatures looked not like slaves of Saruman but rather a human race similar to that of Gondor. It would not be unlikely at all that they had cities and towns.

No...what is fact is that they cannot do anything that is not approved by Tolkien Enterprises. So it is not ultimately up to Turbine but TE.

And I am not sure what you are saying with your last statement. Are you saying that alot of people playing AIs are not more intelligent than an AI? If you are then I dont know what to say to that except that we have very different views on how smart the AI is compared to how smart a human being is. AI are so far from matching us it is not even a contest...

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Grindalyx

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Hexxeity

It would have taken a LOT more development time and money to deliver a satisfying PvP experience of the sort requested by the OP.

That is the only reason, and it is a perfectly acceptable one.  It's not a PvP game, and was never intended to be.

 

Ahh finally a reason that makes some sense (that the lore doesnt support it I cant see at all).

 

I can buy that but still, would be fun to be a "slave to Saruman/Sauron" and fight the good races or even better to fight evil races who are actually real people rather than AI mobiles. I really dont see the challenge to fight a computer program that doesnt have the intelligence of a 10 year old.

What makes you think that the monster players in the game are AI? They are real people like you playing the monster in the moors. They are flesh and blood thinking humans like you ask to fight against. There is no AI running the monsters in the moors that you fight against. This makes your point and argument mute cause what you ask for is in the game. You just can't run around the open world and PVP. You can't lvl that monster from 1-50 but instead have to do quests and get destiny points to lvl up the monsters skills. Since the lvl 50 monster you roll starts out with lvl one skills.
 

Do a little research on the game before you make such wild accusations that the monster players in the game are all AI. It maybe fun to you to be a slave of sauron or saruman and to have no towns or villages and be limited to a small area of playable space to lvl up in but i am willing to bet though you say that now if they did this and limited you to the places in the books that the evil races are you would be here yelling about how unfair it is that the free people get access to the whole map and evil races are limited.

By the way alot of the pople who play MMO's and PVP are these low intelligent 10 year olds that you are talking about the AI being no smarter then.

 

What on earth are you talking about? I never said that the monsters players in Ettenmoors are AI, and its just one zone, I was talking about all the other zones.

As for the lore, I dont think the developers has to follow it as strictly as you think they have. Just because no towns with evil mobs were described in the books doesnt mean the devs can create one for this game. That is an assumption on your part. For example, those "evil" people from the south that rode those huge elephant creatures looked not like slaves of Saruman but rather a human race similar to that of Gondor. It would not be unlikely at all that they had cities and towns.

And I am not sure what you are saying with your last statement. Are you saying that alot of people playing AIs are not more intelligent than an AI? If you are then I dont know what to say to that except that we have very different views on how smart the AI is compared to how smart a human being is. AI are so far from matching us it is not even a contest...

LOL dude your the one who stated you wanted to fight evil races that weren't AI mobiles.The mobs we fight in the game are not evil races other than the orcs, trolls,wargs and those who serve sauron. there are alot of mobs that wouldn't be classified as evil that we fight. So when you made that statement i naturally drew the conclusion you ment the evil races in the moors cause they are the only ones in the game that are player controlled. No game allows PVE mobs to be player controlled.  If you were not talking about the ettenmoors then you should be clear about that when you stated that. That my friend was your fault for not being clear and leaving it open for people to inturpet what you ment. And yes just because there are no mention of towns and such for evil races does meen that under the license agreement turbine can't just whip up anything they want to make evil races playable. Sure the southeners had towns and such but they are not described in the books and we are in eriador along way from the southeners hometowns.
 

The last statement i will admit was a gab at you and your statement about how AI isn't any smarter than a 10 year old. Wich i found funny cause alot of 10 year olds play these games and from what you said the ten year olds must be pretty dumb then if they are barely smarter than the AI  in these games. Do you understand now?

Try to turn what i say around on me i don't mind i am getting a good laugh out of this thread and how you seem to skirt around the obvious and that is turbine is under a license agreement that calls for them to stick to the lore of the books. They can't create or expand on anything that isn't mentioned in the books in some way. If it is mentioned in the books they can then use other writings as source material to further flesh out places like the north downs, forchel, ered luin and others that were not visited in the books but mentioned in passing.

The definition of PvP is player vs player last time I  looked it up. In other words one player playing his character against another player controlled character rather than a computer controlled NPC. It does not matter if the other player is playing his spider or warg or orc or minstrel or hunter the challenge of playing against a live person is still the same. Therefor the statement that LoTRO has no PvP is false.

You want ganking, unbalanced classes, exploits and constant nerfs feel free to go play AoC. It has plenty of those to go around.

Originally posted by Jackdog

The definition of PvP is player vs player last time I  looked it up. In other words one player playing his character against another player controlled character rather than a computer controlled NPC. It does not matter if the other player is playing his spider or warg or orc or minstrel or hunter the challenge of playing against a live person is still the same. Therefor the statement that LoTRO has no PvP is false.

You want ganking, unbalanced classes, exploits and constant nerfs feel free to go play AoC. It has plenty of those to go around.

Something about this post screams scared of PvP

The OP asked "Real" PvP, you know with consequences...

Lotro fails for me there. PvE can be fun at times but PvP as in Player Vs Player is a joke for me, its not even fun.

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Jackdog

The definition of PvP is player vs player last time I  looked it up. In other words one player playing his character against another player controlled character rather than a computer controlled NPC. It does not matter if the other player is playing his spider or warg or orc or minstrel or hunter the challenge of playing against a live person is still the same. Therefor the statement that LoTRO has no PvP is false.

You want ganking, unbalanced classes, exploits and constant nerfs feel free to go play AoC. It has plenty of those to go around.

 

Something about this post screams scared of PvP

The OP asked "Real" PvP, you know with consequences...

Lotro fails for me there. PvE can be fun at times but PvP as in Player Vs Player is a joke for me, its not even fun.

 

It's plenty fun for me...

and it works too! ;)