World of Warcraft

I am embarrassed to tell people that I played WoW for as long as I did. I can hardly look myself in the mirror some days...

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by fuzzylojik

I won't buy it simply because of no oceanic based servers to date and the subpar endgame PvP so far. 

Plus it's going to be another pointless item grind with transient objectives and no PvP progression. 

I'm really sick of grinding in place of content and totally item driven objectives.

 

FYI there have been oceanic servers for a while and a week or 2 ago blizzard opened new new oceanic servers.

And item grind.. welcome to the world of MMO's

And FYI none of them are Oceanic based.  LMAO. L2R

DAOC pre-TOA wasn't an item grind.  More like welcome to world of certain item based MMOs.

2 strikes.

Originally posted by tornsage

I'm convinced that the game is ruined. It started with BC and the dev's love ffair with arena. A MINORITY of players likes it. The MAJORITY HATES IT> Why won't blizzerd do what players want? Because I believe elitist devs have too much control and manipulate the game to their own likes.

Arena sucks plain and simple. It's boring. Bring back world PVP and stop messing with stipid junk that means nothing.

They even brought up some lame achievment" thing that grants nothing but acknowlegment that you wasted time doing boring stuff.

 

I hope the game fails and the devs all lose theur jobs.

If you don't want to play it... don't play it.  If you want something to be exactly like you want then I say go out and make your own game.  Blizzard (with an A) can do whatever they want to their own game even if you don't like it. 

Unless I've been gone from the game too long and things have changed I'm pretty sure you can still PvP outside in the world... If enough people wanted world PvP Blizzard would not have to do anything at all... the PLAYERS would have to just go out and do it. 

Originally posted by Ascension08

Originally posted by Vicksburg

Originally posted by Lence

i disagree.. AoC is not dead, heck even vanguard and dark & light are still running. i just think AoC will fade as mainstream mmo and become only for a select audiance

 

That's what I meant.

"fade as a mainstream mmo and only for a select audiance".

But insignificant to the market of Wow, War and even EVE.

Dead means sub 100K - 150 K subs, because at that rate you can only keep alive the existing stuff.

Hahahaha, thanks for the laugh. Doesn't Lord of the Rings have around 150K subs, and they've been releasing free content updates since the start? Oh, and a new expansion, and new expansions after that...

Yeah, LotRO is dead as a doornail.

I agree Just because a game doesnt have a gazillion mindless sheep for a subscriber base doesnt mean its dead. Like theyve said there are plenty that are still doing just fine and are much better than WoW. Ill add FFxi for my example.

WoW is crap, Just look at media nowadays and you can see that all one has to do is cater to all the retards in our world. Just because the masses think something is good, doesnt mean it is. American Idol? Pokemon? and any new music you can find. If one looks at history its quite clear that the masses are usually wrong.

But its all Good. I hope that WOTLK does insanely well. The masses need a home (a home that is far away from what i play lol) Itll keep all the WoWkids out of upcoming games. Hurray!!

Originally posted by fuzzylojik

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by fuzzylojik

I won't buy it simply because of no oceanic based servers to date and the subpar endgame PvP so far. 

Plus it's going to be another pointless item grind with transient objectives and no PvP progression. 

I'm really sick of grinding in place of content and totally item driven objectives.

 

FYI there have been oceanic servers for a while and a week or 2 ago blizzard opened new new oceanic servers.

And item grind.. welcome to the world of MMO's

And FYI none of them are Oceanic based.  LMAO. L2R

DAOC pre-TOA wasn't an item grind.  More like welcome to world of certain item based MMOs.

2 strikes.

I bow down to your obvious superiority.

Originally posted by Shumakiso

Originally posted by Ascension08

Originally posted by Vicksburg

Originally posted by Lence

i disagree.. AoC is not dead, heck even vanguard and dark & light are still running. i just think AoC will fade as mainstream mmo and become only for a select audiance

 

That's what I meant.

"fade as a mainstream mmo and only for a select audiance".

But insignificant to the market of Wow, War and even EVE.

Dead means sub 100K - 150 K subs, because at that rate you can only keep alive the existing stuff.

Hahahaha, thanks for the laugh. Doesn't Lord of the Rings have around 150K subs, and they've been releasing free content updates since the start? Oh, and a new expansion, and new expansions after that...

Yeah, LotRO is dead as a doornail.

 

I agree Just because a game doesnt have a gazillion mindless sheep for a subscriber base doesnt mean its dead. Like theyve said there are plenty that are still doing just fine and are much better than WoW. Ill add FFxi for my example.

WoW is crap, Just look at media nowadays and you can see that all one has to do is cater to all the retards in our world. Just because the masses think something is good, doesnt mean it is. American Idol? Pokemon? and any new music you can find. If one looks at history its quite clear that the masses are usually wrong.

But its all Good. I hope that WOTLK does insanely well. The masses need a home (a home that is far away from what i play lol) Itll keep all the WoWkids out of upcoming games. Hurray!!

So your saying quantity does not equal quality? true for somthing but not for everything. Fact Wow is highest rated MMO ever and that has nothing to do with its massive player based.  FFXI tiny population and average reviews. See what I am saying?
 

Nasty post by OP, hoping for other people's suffering and loss is just hideous.  Beyond that, the real carebears here are the gamers who think that major corporations are sitting around thinking about what will make a product perfect for them personally.   There is also a bullying mentality that is undeniable in the rhetoric and ingame behavior of many of these folks that makes the counter argument perfectly:  if a game is focused on these people's ability to entertain themselves by tormenting other players, of course it is going to be a niche taste, not a mass-market game, because S&M is, thankfully, a minority taste. 

If you don't like WoW, big deal.  Go play something else.  Nobody cares.  I think Wotlk is going to be more of the same, and that's fine with me.  I think I have a teensy bit of company in that respect, and none of us really are too concerned with what game you wish existed. 

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by fuzzylojik

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by fuzzylojik

I won't buy it simply because of no oceanic based servers to date and the subpar endgame PvP so far. 

Plus it's going to be another pointless item grind with transient objectives and no PvP progression. 

I'm really sick of grinding in place of content and totally item driven objectives.

 

FYI there have been oceanic servers for a while and a week or 2 ago blizzard opened new new oceanic servers.

And item grind.. welcome to the world of MMO's

And FYI none of them are Oceanic based.  LMAO. L2R

DAOC pre-TOA wasn't an item grind.  More like welcome to world of certain item based MMOs.

2 strikes.

 

I bow down to your obvious superiority.

tyty

Originally posted by Ruthgar

However, I think that WOTLK will be the start of the slow down of WoW's ever increasing playerbase. I am not saying it will be the end of WoW, just a slow down.

They are already on the slow down, and have lost a lot of subscribers over the last 6 months. There is a chart somewhere, but it doesn't matter. If anything it will be the bounce up and decrease in numbers again just like it was before BC and after BC.

WoW has the grasp on the newbie MMo genre, and people like the ease of play and the simple style and that is why is sells.