Star Wars Galaxies

Originally posted by Daffid011

I am just happy that SOE has nothing to do with the next game. 

 

I would love to a more social based game, but even an EQ clone game wouldn't be to bad if done right.

This is like irony or a catch-22 or something from the bizarro world...

Happy no SOE involvement, however you are ok with a SOE owned EQ clone?

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Originally posted by Obee

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

That was the whole point of creating LA, to specifically interject content and features they felt depicted the Star Wars IP.

 

Uh, no it wasn't.  Lucasfilm Games was created in 1982.  The name was changed to LucasArts Entertainment Company in 1990.  The very first Star Wars title from LEC was X-Wing, in 1993.

How does including Sith and Jedi not follow the story of the KotOR era?  Prior to the GCW rea, the Star Wars universe was loaded with Jedi, and in the KotOR era, the was a very large Sith faction.

Bioware's MMO will have at least one thing SWG doesn't have, a lack of SOe involvement.  It is also very likey that Bioware's game will be a whole lot more fun than SWG currently is, which won't be very hard to accomplish, since SWG is currently the least fun MMO available.

The CU and NGE were concepts that were conceived by SOE, and approved by LEC.  Without SOe in the mix, the concepts sent to LEC for approval will likely be much, much better than the drek SOE shoved out the door.

All in all, it would seem that Bioware's MMO has a chance to be a good game, which is much more than can be said for SWG.  Bioware's MMO also has a future, which will not likely be the case for SWG.

 

 

 

My apologies for my inaccuracies in my post, as I am tired. However, I meant to say, that LA's involvement, not creation was the whole point of them joining the SOE team. So that statement should have read...

"That was the whole point of involving LA, to specifically interject content and features they felt depicted the Star Wars IP."

KOTOR era is not during the Sith Empire, atleast I wasn't aware of it. As far I can remember, KOTOR era was based on a time after its destruction, during the rule of two, so if I'm wrong, my apologies once more.

Ok, SOE won't be involved with KOTOR, thats obvious, but that doesn't guarantee KOTOR will give all the angry vets what they've been whining about for 3 years.

I'm not saying KOTOR won't be a great Star Wars game, but it seems to me, the so called Angry Vet Celebration is a kinda weak approach to YOU won. Cause yeah, you didnt win, cause KOTOR will not be SWG 2.

The KOTOR timeline can go a few ways, depending on what era they use since the Old Republic covers a long time in the SW universe.  The original KOTOR game took place during a time when the Sith had a large and formidable empire, led by Darth Revan.  Even during the early years of Darth Bane, who implemented the Rule of Two and was many years after the events of KOTOR game, there was another large force of Sith known as the Brotherhood of Darkness who fought for years against the Old Republic and the Jedi. 

Anyway, as for swg vs. Bioware's mmo, as long as the new game is fun and works it will succeed and swg will end.  MANY of the people who are still playing swg are only there because its the only Star Wars mmo available and, to a lesser degree, its sci-fi and not fantasy.  Those people make up a big chuck of current subs and if Bioware's mmo is any good, they will leave swg faster than rats abandoning a sinking ship.

Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw

Does this have implications on SWG? You bet it does, as many of the current players (who are also quite fed up with SOE) are admitting to being ready for a new SW MMO.  Which means another major hit to sub numbers.

And truthfully speaking, us using our power as consumers, leaving SWG, and bitching to high-heaven about the NGE has definetly done damage to SOE and SWG as it stands now. There are no doubts about it.

We...WIN! Fortunetly for even NGE fanbois, I'm sure there will be plenty of fun to be had in the new SW MMO and I'd be happy to enjoy it along side any of you.

 

Will you win for every game that has a successor by a different company? Any new game developed for an existing game based on an IP should reign over the original. I would have to think that in 2 years (or 5) from now when the next company gets their hands on the Lord of the Rings IP I can almost guarantee that will affect the subscription numbers for the original LOTRO. The same can be said for any other game that has a 5 year old predecessor. Players won't leave for the new game because they don't like the old game... it will be a technology driven move. I firmly believe that any successor game to an existing one should have corrected everything wrong with the first game when presenting it in the next-gen format.

That being said, the vets did not create the sales pitch to Lucas with which they decided to license the star wars universe to another company. The marketing team, R&D team, development team, artistic team, KOTOR I and II past successes sold Lucas Arts (LucasFilms) the idea. SWG vets? Not in a million years. I think the board of directors for both LA and LF, and George Lucas Himself have never given a split second thought to what SOE did with SWG or to their players. Know why? Because LucasArts sold SOE the ability to use the SW universe. SOE paid a hefty amount up-front with which LucasArts were fine with. Had the game been a flop from day 1, LucasArts would have been ok with the decision because they were paid up-front to allow SOE to develop a game based on their IP. Sure a successful game = good royalties, but being paid up-front always makes a deal better.

I bet Bioware paid the higher amount for the re-issuing of the SW  property. I am sure SOE bid (and probably a few other companies - who wouldn't want control over the star wars universe?) but lost out. LucasArts is out to make M-O-N-E-Y just like every other company in the world. Show them the money and their board of directors will sleep well at night never thinking twice about the SWG vets who 'won' this big payout for the franchise use.

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by onlinenow225

I dont know about you guys.  But if a company stole 100's of dollars from me w/out letting me get my money back.  I would do the exact same thing.  Some of these vets had 2 accounts with maybe a years worth of prepaid time.

 

So at 14.99 a month x2 x12 that comes out to 359.76.  Thats a hefty amount of money.  I sure as hell would try and ruin the company after some crap like that.

 

Finally sombody gets it. 

Word of Mouth....those guys that keep bashing vets for their banter saying they're just looking stupid...are completely wrong....    Word of Mouth is #1 in business world.

As a person who owns a business, YOU BET they are dead on winning every moment they bash soe to a new gamer.

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The average gamer is 30 now...  starting to have kids... do u think daddy is going to buy jr. a swg account?  LOL....nope.  and daddy is going to tell jr's friends about how evil soe and swg are in how they treated daddy a few years ago... viral....word of mouth...marketing.  101. 

I also own a business and have to disagree. One pissed off consumer returning something to WalMart will not make a dent in the company. Nor will 1,000 or 100,000. WalMart will always be Walmart. The same can be said for SOE. Pissing off one player or 250,000 will mean nothing because at the end of the day SOE is still SOE.

The truth is, complaining, bitching, word of mouth will never tarnish a company's image because for every one person tarnishing an image, 10 others are improving it. SOE is a seperate division from Sony Electronics, but do you think for one minute that the new generation of 15-20 year old gamers will ever know about SOE and SWG even with your word of mouth? Nope. If you believe you will sway an entire age demographic because of YOUR word-of-mouth then you are dillusional. The next-gen gamers will know Sony as quality for TVs, Blu-Ray, stereos, etc. Even though the two are completely different divisions, next-gen gamers will associate SOE as a quality brand. No amount of your word of mouth can change that.

Better head back for Marketing 201.

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Originally posted by hubertgrove

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Originally posted by Thradar

You guys act like the new mmo will be out this year.  I'd be surprised if you see it in 4 years...when/if Bioware actually confirms it.

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Bioware have confirmed it's coming out 'sometime in 2009'. Link in the 'It's Official ' thread on this board.

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I just want to go on record saying that "sometime in 2009" in realistic terms means 2011 most likely.

I don't think there has ever been a game that released when they said it would.

We all know that for some reason game devs can't estimate the release of their game for crap. We fans all know (the ones that pay attention) that you take the first estimated release date, and add two years to it, and you'll be much, much closer to an actual release date.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Originally posted by Obee

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

That was the whole point of creating LA, to specifically interject content and features they felt depicted the Star Wars IP.

 

Uh, no it wasn't.  Lucasfilm Games was created in 1982.  The name was changed to LucasArts Entertainment Company in 1990.  The very first Star Wars title from LEC was X-Wing, in 1993.

How does including Sith and Jedi not follow the story of the KotOR era?  Prior to the GCW rea, the Star Wars universe was loaded with Jedi, and in the KotOR era, the was a very large Sith faction.

Bioware's MMO will have at least one thing SWG doesn't have, a lack of SOe involvement.  It is also very likey that Bioware's game will be a whole lot more fun than SWG currently is, which won't be very hard to accomplish, since SWG is currently the least fun MMO available.

The CU and NGE were concepts that were conceived by SOE, and approved by LEC.  Without SOe in the mix, the concepts sent to LEC for approval will likely be much, much better than the drek SOE shoved out the door.

All in all, it would seem that Bioware's MMO has a chance to be a good game, which is much more than can be said for SWG.  Bioware's MMO also has a future, which will not likely be the case for SWG.

 

 

 

My apologies for my inaccuracies in my post, as I am tired. However, I meant to say, that LA's involvement, not creation was the whole point of them joining the SOE team. So that statement should have read...

"That was the whole point of involving LA, to specifically interject content and features they felt depicted the Star Wars IP."

KOTOR era is not during the Sith Empire, atleast I wasn't aware of it. As far I can remember, KOTOR era was based on a time after its destruction, during the rule of two, so if I'm wrong, my apologies once more.

Ok, SOE won't be involved with KOTOR, thats obvious, but that doesn't guarantee KOTOR will give all the angry vets what they've been whining about for 3 years.

I'm not saying KOTOR won't be a great Star Wars game, but it seems to me, the so called Angry Vet Celebration is a kinda weak approach to YOU won. Cause yeah, you didnt win, cause KOTOR will not be SWG 2.

Okay I get what you were saying about LEC's involvement.  Yeah, LEC's primary involvement in SWG is to make sure it conforms to the Star Wars IP.  They didn't do a very good job.

In both KotOR games, the Sith involved one or more Sith Lord (two in the first game, and two to three in the second) leading a Sith army consisting of many dark Jedi underlings along with non-Jedi combat troops.  In the second game, All three of the Sith Lords has at least one apprentice.  In the first, both Sith Lords had an apprentice.  In both instances, someone might disagree with the number of apprentices, but if you play through the games, you will see that I am correct.

The KotOR games are set after the Sith Empire, but the second one doesn't follow the rule of two (which is actually a centeral plot point, but it isn't really spelled out).  The conflict in the games are similar to the GCW era, but the Sith are the insurgents and the Republic are the ones in charge of the government.  The first game give a reason why the Sith are able to challenge the Republic, the second one, not so much (the second game was released half finished and the entire second half game was mostly cut, due to Obsidian burning through the development funds and that LEC decided they wanted to release it six months early, it was supposed to be a May release that was changed to the prior Christmas)

I've been posting here for almost two years.  My posts primarily consist of pointing out how bad the current game is, and pointing out how awful SOE is.  I'd really like to see a new MMO, preferably with no connection to SOE, that is similar to pre-CU SWG, since I think it would make for an excelent game, if it was finished (something SWG never was).  I've played and enjoyed several games that are level, class, loot based.  The only two games that have held my interest for more than a few months at a time were pre-AOS UO and pre-NGE SWG.  I was enough of a Star Wars fan that i even gave the NGE a chance to get better, something that didn't happen.  I really do understand why the folks who still play the game because it is Star Wars, still play the game.

Originally posted by Bronks

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by onlinenow225

I dont know about you guys.  But if a company stole 100's of dollars from me w/out letting me get my money back.  I would do the exact same thing.  Some of these vets had 2 accounts with maybe a years worth of prepaid time.

 

So at 14.99 a month x2 x12 that comes out to 359.76.  Thats a hefty amount of money.  I sure as hell would try and ruin the company after some crap like that.

 

Finally sombody gets it. 

Word of Mouth....those guys that keep bashing vets for their banter saying they're just looking stupid...are completely wrong....    Word of Mouth is #1 in business world.

As a person who owns a business, YOU BET they are dead on winning every moment they bash soe to a new gamer.

 edit:

The average gamer is 30 now...  starting to have kids... do u think daddy is going to buy jr. a swg account?  LOL....nope.  and daddy is going to tell jr's friends about how evil soe and swg are in how they treated daddy a few years ago... viral....word of mouth...marketing.  101. 

 

I also own a business and have to disagree. One pissed off consumer returning something to WalMart will not make a dent in the company. Nor will 1,000 or 100,000. WalMart will always be Walmart. The same can be said for SOE. Pissing off one player or 250,000 will mean nothing because at the end of the day SOE is still SOE.

 

The truth is, complaining, bitching, word of mouth will never tarnish a company's image because for every one person tarnishing an image, 10 others are improving it. SOE is a seperate division from Sony Electronics, but do you think for one minute that the new generation of 15-20 year old gamers will ever know about SOE and SWG even with your word of mouth? Nope. If you believe you will sway an entire age demographic because of YOUR word-of-mouth then you are dillusional. The next-gen gamers will know Sony as quality for TVs, Blu-Ray, stereos, etc. Even though the two are completely different divisions, next-gen gamers will associate SOE as a quality brand. No amount of your word of mouth can change that.

 

Better head back for Marketing 201.

Welcome to the Internet age.  Marketing 201 wasn't ready for it, I promise.  And SWG is the epic example of it.

As a business owner, you obviously know that there are two primary ways to get to the top in business: 1) Be the lowest-cost provider (as Walmart is), or 2) Provide a good or service that nobody else can, or