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I think Bioware should develop the game then drop it on obsidian's doorstep to take over because Bioware being locked into constantly evolving a mmorpg wouldn't be for them.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Hey OP, Bioware owes you and all the other SWG fans absolutely nothing.  They are free to make their game in a manner that appeals to the most subscribers, something they seem to have a nack for in the past.

Odds are they won't be giving you a 2nd thought.

 

I agree.  It would be nice if they had some sandbox elements but I'm not holding my breath.  If its a fun game that works as advertised then I'll play.  Bioware is under absolutely zero obligation to make a pre-cu swg type game.  Judging by their past work, they should continue making games they way they always have been.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by Gameloading

Bioware into a world of hurt? What are you going to do? Send them email? Post on their message boards!? Oh no! anything but that!

I'm going to be rude here for a second, But SWG whiners, please, do everyone a favor and shut the hell up.

Bioware will make their OWN game, in case you haven't noticed yet the name of the game is Knights of the old republic online, Not "Bioware presents Star Wars Galaxies: PRE - NGE edition".

Bioware does NOT owe it to you to create a pre nge SWG game just because they are using the star wars license. They will make their own game.

Ah, but you completely missed the point of the thread.  It is not Bioware making this game, it is Lucas Arts and Bioware, notice which name I placed first in this sentence.
 

Lucas Arts thinks they know what MMO players want and that is a very FPS like game.  Bioware truely has a dragon by the tail.  We will have to wait and see how this match in hell works out to see if Bioware can maintain the vision they have had in other games or bow to persistent pressure from Lucas Arts.

Personally I think it would be a huge mistake to try to make game like pre NGE SWG.  I think Bioware should use their talents to make a better game.  But I am dearly afraid that Lucas Arts will dictate otherwise.

 

It doesn't matter one bit if Lucal Arts is involved or not, Bioware will probably be in charge of the design of the game.

On top of what Gameloading said...ANY Star Wars game has Lucas Arts involved!  It's sort of a by-product of making Star Wars games for some very strange reason that I just can't seem to wrap my head around...I mean, it couldn't be that Star Wars is the flagship of George Lucas' money making machine or anything like that.  So what you are saying would imply that there has never been a good Star Wars game out there...you honestly believe that Lucas Arts didn't have a hand in the development of SWG?  Give me a break.

Lucas Arts is involved in the KOTOR MMO, and possibly more heavily than SWG, and I'm glad about that...if they can make the game feel more like Star Wars, and less like a bug ridden "sand box" like SWG was, then I'm happy to have them along for the ride...obviously LA didn't screw up the original KOTOR games too bad, right?

I hope to hell that the KotOR mmo is just like WoW with lightsabers, because what the angry SWG vets don't realise, is that they have become a great source of amusement for many gamers and to have their tears dry up now would break my heart.

I mean, where else are we going find some old dude dressing up like the Joker, making a tool of himself all over the internet?!?

World of Knights of the Old Repulic-Craft for teh win!

Originally posted by Draccan

 

I think Bioware is into a world of hurt now. If they think that an mmo with levels, classes, raids, wow gameplay like they said they love, will leave people happy they have bought the wrong IP.

There are tons of disgruntled SWG players who will take aim at this mmo if it is yet another non-sandbox, level based linear crap game with no real pvp.

There are tons of those in development anyways..

 

This is going to be a very hard IP to handle for Bioware and not the easy cash cow they might dream off.

I know I personally will be giving them a tough time if they make a polished version of POST cu/nge SWG and push it to the market.... And I doubt I am alone.

heads up BIOWARE... don't try to spoon feed us with wow gameplay !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you think they even care about the disgruntled swg vets then you have a BIG surprise coming. Todays MMO's are about making money and you had better get used to it. I personally like sandbox style games ,but they do not generate the money other style mmos have generated. When and if Bioware started another Star Wars mmo you can bet on this they researched what game has made the most money and how it did it . I have an idea that this new Star Wars mmo if it is indeed a Star Wars mmo that they are developing will be alot like wow you can bank on that.

Originally posted by kryten

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by Draenor

What the post above me says.

 

I wish that Bioware would come out and just let down the SWG vets now, rather than later, we all know what kinds of games Bioware makes...and it's not the type of sandbox game that SWG vets are looking for.

 

It's funny that I have to say "swg vets" to mean a particular group of angry SWG fanboys, rather than actual veterans of Star Wars Galaxies...I mean, afterall, technically I myself am a SWG vet, I played the game from launch onward, and I refuse to associate myself with these self entitled bunch of malcontents.

Those of us who played in beta and in beyond are the "vets". The whackos are the "refugees".
 

we became entitled by soe when they took pre-paid sub money and erased our characters.

real vets are those who speak the truth instead of defending a crook.

very crazy to blame the players for the bait and switch tactics of a company. take the blinders off.

As I've said before, the "vets" can be either fans or haters of SWG, SOE, whatever. I even understand the feelings of the vets who, in their eyes, lost more than just a game. However, they had/have the sense to move on.
 

The "refugees" are the ones who spend every minute they can on these boards spitting out the same arguments and trying every lame thing they can think of to "bring down" SOE and LucasArts. The ones who think they are more important than anyone else, and that those who like the game have no right to do so because they were treated bad.

And show me where I accused the players for the developers tactics? SOE fucked up, but that doesn't mean because I still like to play the game from time to time that I'm defending what they did.

And the real vets are the ones who speak the truth? I'll go along with that, since it seems to be the "refugees" who claim SWG was this millions selling brilliant game before the CU/NGE happened, when in fact it is the truth that the game was mediocre at best in design and implementation in the beginning and during the "pre-CU" era, and truthfully isn't much better now, although it is a hell of a lot more stable. But it was hemorrhaging players left and right from beta onwards, not just after the CU/NGE.

I love how the OP says " I know that I for one will be giving them a tough time"

it's like...okay...you do that...I'll be enjoying the game and asking "who the hell are you?"

Bioware doesn't care if you give them a hard time, you are nobody.

Originally posted by Draenor

I love how the OP says " I know that I for one will be giving them a tough time"

 

it's like...okay...you do that...I'll be enjoying the game and asking "who the hell are you?"

 

Bioware doesn't care if you give them a hard time, you are nobody.

oh yeah!? well don't you understimate the power of the internets!

We're going to like...post on the forums, posting how much this game sucks... and....chat in irc channels and stuff....and we might even make an online petition!

So just you wait bioware! If you do not answer to the SWG's vets will, we're going to take you down! muhahahahah!

Originally posted by Draccan

 

I think Bioware is into a world of hurt now. If they think that an mmo with levels, classes, raids, wow gameplay like they said they love, will leave people happy they have bought the wrong IP.

     Er, is that 2 or 4 sentences. I'm not totally certain when you are trying to say. People will be happy they have the wrong IP? when your teachers told you that grammar was important, they weren't kidding.

 

There are tons of disgruntled SWG players who will take aim at this mmo if it is yet another non-sandbox, level based linear crap game with no real pvp.

    He's right, there are a lot of disgruntled SWG vets out there. I met a lot of them while playing wow. They were having fun until you'd asked them about SWG..thats when you close the chat window.

There are tons of those in development anyways..

      Indeed, the point is valid. Anytime a type of game does well, everyone tries to copy its formula of success. Personally, I would like to see a return to sand-box in the star wars universe, ut I think its a bit early to start chanting "doom"