Darkfall

Originally posted by Silvarch

That's the point exactly. If it's not final then there is no deal. It does not preclude there being one in the near future, because that's what negotiation and intent try to turn into, but it does not mean there is one now. Even if you highly doubt it won't be realized (in fact, me too, unless whatever Aventurine has doesn't meet AVE's standards, which is hard to imagine given they're new to the industry themselves, and if they're negotiating then they obviously liked something) the possibility is still there, so you can't state it as a certainty until it happens.

EDIT: I'm talking about a publishing deal, not release. While related, they're still independent (ie. a deal could be made and there could be no release, or the deal doesn't go through but they release through other means).

So what you're saying is that nothing is final until it becomes reality?

I agree. But that is entirely different from some of the posts in this thread...

By me?

not talking for your posts in particular

Originally posted by Silvarch

Originally posted by SignusM

"The company BUSINESS AND SOUND EIKONOS SA announces training Memorandum of Cooperation with the company AVENTURINE SA, with the sole purpose of printing, distribution and operation of online games subscriber (on line gaming) in all countries of Europe. To this end, the SOUND AND BUSINESS EIKONOS AU will create a new section Gaming Division paying royalties to the above beneficiary than 35% of sales. By exploiting the online games subscriber BUSINESS AND SOUND EIKONOS SA (AVE) estimates that avoids the loss of revenue from any piracy in any form. "

 

Let's break this down. Sadly with an MoC, it can either be an outline of INTENT, or it can be legally binding, depending on what is outlined in the exact business statement. None of us have access to that. So, I suppose that's left to speculation.

Next part, pretty clear " sole purpose of printing, distribution and operation of online games subscriber (on line gaming) in all countries of Europe"  A publisher. They'll be advertising and selling the game to all countries in Europe. 

 

Here's the interesting one. "EIKONOS AU will create a new section Gaming Division paying royalties to the above beneficiary than 35% of sales. By exploiting the online games subscriber BUSINESS AND SOUND EIKONOS SA (AVE) estimates that avoids the loss of revenue from any piracy in any form. "

Ok, with this, two things I want to point out. The company is planning to create an entire new division for video games (they've previously only dealt with other kind of media). This is a pretty serious deal, considering and announcing it will have an impact on their stock, so they wouldn't just do this on a whim, and it also means they're fairly confident they'll be able to make money out of the deal.

The second bit, it that it reassures its investors that there's no danger of piracy. They're talking directly to their stock holders here. Again, they wouldn't make that kind of announcement and then not do ANYTHING, because any active investors will watch this company's news feed and buy and sell accordingly. Creating a division for an entire new group of media, then telling the stock holders not to worry about it, they're just not "thinking about it if maybe it ever happens."

That's my two cents anyway. I could be COMPLETELY wrong, but what I know about the business world, that is how I interpret it.

 

Alright, now that you've read, do you understand that while they are contemplating the creation of this new division (You forgot to copy and paste the "to that end" that links the two statements together), they have not announced any deals regarding the publishing of Darkfall Online? Nowhere does it say that they will be publishing Darkfall Online, or any games whatsoever.

OK, now you're starting to look stupid: it says "The company BUSINESS AND SOUND EIKONOS SA announces training Memorandum of Cooperation with the company AVENTURINE SA, with the sole purpose printing, distribution and operation of online games subscriber (online gaming) in all countries of Europe."

Highlighted for emphasis.

Reread the thread. SignusM and Galadourn understood and agreed with the gist of what I said, they were the intended audience.

Originally posted by Silvarch

Reread the thread. SignusM and Galadourn understood and agreed with the gist of what I said, they were the intended audience.

It's fine, just be careful of your wording.

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by COORS

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by Thomas2006

The only year Darkfall showed up at E3 they had nothing more then a booth to show of the game. There was no demo or anything other then some screenshots and paper info of the game.

This year they didn't even bother to show up at E3. Doesn't much sound like a game that is anywhere near launch.

 

Nope, not vaporware. They have a European publisher/distributer. And old and well respected company that announced to its stock holders that it would be distributing the game, as law states they must. (gotta keep the investors in on whats going on)

So as of now (and I'm sick or repeating it, but something has to counter the years of idiodic trolls going "lol vaporz") they are not vaporware. I'm very surprised anyone believed they were, cause the evidence has always been there, people just chose to ignore it.

 

Now the only question is, what state is the game in? Will it deliver what it promised? Will it suck? Will it be amazing? We'll see soon, I hope. I'm not getting my hopes up though.

 

I agree that Darkfall is not total vaporware. There is actually some code there somewhere to be sure.

But.. They DON'T have a distributor. Not really. That was a ploy by Tasos to buy more time.

 

Are you KIDDING ME?! WHY would someone go to all this trouble. To buy time? You don't sign a publisher deal with a game that they haven't seen. They have a publisher, the publisher agreed to sell the game in Europe, they told their stock holders. How can you possibly fight this so hard?

Sorry.. I'm NOT fighting anything.

They DO NOT have a publisher, period. Please tell me what publisher OFFICIALLY announced they were ACTUALLY publishing Darkfall? Go ahead... tell me.

I have read NOTHING on the entire Internet announcing a publisher deal for Darkfall. Come on here. ALL gaming sites I visit have an UP-TO-DATE news section. I read about ALL kinds of things happening in the industry, even law suits and NEW game ideas.

But...

NOWHERE have I read a word about an OFFICIAL publisher for the game of Darkfall.

A reasonable person would ASSUME, that a VALID publishing deal would be at least announced and make the news sections of the various gaming sites, if nothing else.

A reasonable person would ALSO assume that an OFFICIAL publisher, of a game that's to be RELEASED in 5 months, would want some publicity. After all, publishers make a percentage of the sales profits. makes sense huh?

So.. tell me this.

Where is the OFFICIAL announcement?

And... I mean official publishing announcement for DARKFALL.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

Sorry I'm not fighting anything.

Tell me what scientist OFFICIALLY has proven gravity exists. I mean, it's only a theory right? I read a lot of science magazines and NOWHERE have I seen anyone talking about how gravity DOESN'T EXIST, they just ASSUME it does.

A reasonable person would ASSUME, that a VALID  scientific proof would be at least announced and make the news sections of the various science magazines, if nothing else.

A reasonable person would ALSO assume that an OFFICIAL publication, of a theory that's to be EXPECTED to hold us to this Earth, would want some publicity. After all, science magazines make a percentage of the sales profits. makes sense huh?

So.. tell me this.

Where is the OFFICIAL publication?

And... I mean official publication that proves GRAVITY.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

Originally posted by COORS

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by COORS

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by Thomas2006

The only year Darkfall showed up at E3 they had nothing more then a booth to show of the game. There was no demo or anything other then some screenshots and paper info of the game.

This year they didn't even bother to show up at E3. Doesn't much sound like a game that is anywhere near launch.

 

Nope, not vaporware. They have a European publisher/distributer. And old and well respected company that announced to its stock holders that it would be distributing the game, as law states they must. (gotta keep the investors in on whats going on)

So as of now (and I'm sick or repeating it, but something has to counter the years of idiodic trolls going "lol vaporz") they are not vaporware. I'm very surprised anyone believed they were, cause the evidence has always been there, people just chose to ignore it.

 

Now the only question is, what state is the game in? Will it deliver what it promised? Will it suck? Will it be amazing? We'll see soon, I hope. I'm not getting my hopes up though.

 

I agree that Darkfall is not total vaporware. There is actually some code there somewhere to be sure.

But.. They DON'T have a distributor. Not really. That was a ploy by Tasos to buy more time.

 

Are you KIDDING ME?! WHY would someone go to all this trouble. To buy time? You don't sign a publisher deal with a game that they haven't seen. They have a publisher, the publisher agreed to sell the game in Europe, they told their stock holders. How can you possibly fight this so hard?

 

Sorry.. I'm NOT fighting anything.

They DO NOT have a publisher, period. Please tell me what publisher OFFICIALLY announced they were ACTUALLY publishing Darkfall? Go ahead... tell me.

I have read NOTHING on the entire Internet announcing a publisher deal for Darkfall. Come on here. ALL gaming sites I visit have an UP-TO-DATE news section. I read about ALL kinds of things happening in the industry, even law suits and NEW game ideas.

But...

NOWHERE have I read a word about an OFFICIAL publisher for the game of Darkfall.

A reasonable person would ASSUME, that a VALID publishing deal would be at least announced and make the news sections of the various gaming sites, if nothing else.

A reasonable person would ALSO assume that an OFFICIAL publisher, of a game that's to be RELEASED in 5 months, would want some publicity. After all, publishers make a percentage of the sales profits. makes sense huh?

So.. tell me this.

Where is the OFFICIAL announcement?

And... I mean official publishing announcement for DARKFALL.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

You must be blind then. I'll make a nice little donation in your cup.

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Have a nice day. Read the whole thread before you go crazy with trolling next time.