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dmnd  7/18/08 2:47:58 AM

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From what i can tell from some rvr videos etc. it looks like you cant quite get "2 shotted" in warhammer...unlike wow

Is it safe to say this is true?

if so i just got a whole lot more excited for this game lol

so bored of wow BG gameplay... wether getting 2 shotted if your a mage...or ganked by a bunch of enemys if your the toughest warrior....it still ends up being a sequence of -  live 1min - get ganked - 30sec at spirit res - live 1min - get ganked - rinse repeat...

half the time you spend more time at the spirit res/ running to where you need to be then actually pvp'ing

 

 
tr289  7/18/08 3:07:47 AM

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Originally posted by dmnd  

From what i can tell from some rvr videos etc. it looks like you cant quite get "2 shotted" in warhammer...unlike wow

there is no god mode in WAR ...

you will never be 1 , 2 or 3 shot killed . 

 
Pheace  7/18/08 3:18:52 AM

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Originally posted by tr289
Originally posted by dmnd  

From what i can tell from some rvr videos etc. it looks like you cant quite get "2 shotted" in warhammer...unlike wow

there is no god mode in WAR ...

you will never be 1 , 2 or 3 shot killed . 

 

haha, I find it hugely ironic he prefers to cite WoW here as an example for 2 shotting even though Mythic's own Daoc was *clearly* 100x worse in that sense.  Falling to the ground to a stealther you never even saw or an arrow you never saw was common practice back then. I need to think hard for the times actuyally get 1-2 shotted(1 shotted even possible?) in WoW and even then it's on my heavily undergeared casters.

TheHavok  7/18/08 3:26:48 AM

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Ah Pheace, it WAS possible to get one shotted back in pre-tbc wow.  Although those days are long gone thanks to the heavy stamina stacking the devs implemented in tbc, the memories of rogues and warriors, and occasionally mages, 1 shotting completely undergeared players, will always be remembered.  Heavy stamina stacking, and even to a greater extent, resilience, made the game more about skill then about gear.  However, as we prepare for the final chapter of the burning crusade and get ready for the wrath of the lich king, we see that in the end, gear will always outpower skill, atleast in the world of warcraft :)

 
tr289  7/18/08 3:35:12 AM

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Originally posted by Pheace
Originally posted by tr289
Originally posted by dmnd  

From what i can tell from some rvr videos etc. it looks like you cant quite get "2 shotted" in warhammer...unlike wow

there is no god mode in WAR ...

you will never be 1 , 2 or 3 shot killed . 

 

haha, I find it hugely ironic he prefers to cite WoW here as an example for 2 shotting even though Mythic's own Daoc was *clearly* 100x worse in that sense.  Falling to the ground to a stealther you never even saw or an arrow you never saw was common practice back then. I need to think hard for the times actuyally get 1-2 shotted(1 shotted even possible?) in WoW and even then it's on my heavily undergeared casters.

 

that's why i quit DAoC !  i knew Mythic would never change god mode and i didn't feel like being cannon fodder . thankfully WAR is not DAoC ! 

 

anyway , the people that are use to playing stealth classes will probably not make it very far in WAR .

 

 
Pheace  7/18/08 3:45:12 AM

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Originally posted by TheHavok

Ah Pheace, it WAS possible to get one shotted back in pre-tbc wow.  Although those days are long gone thanks to the heavy stamina stacking the devs implemented in tbc, the memories of rogues and warriors, and occasionally mages, 1 shotting completely undergeared players, will always be remembered.  Heavy stamina stacking, and even to a greater extent, resilience, made the game more about skill then about gear.  However, as we prepare for the final chapter of the burning crusade and get ready for the wrath of the lich king, we see that in the end, gear will always outpower skill, atleast in the world of warcraft :)

 

Hmm, i guess that's probably true, i was a hunter back then so I didn't really suffer through that part. That said, it was still nowhere near as bad as Daoc in my opinion :) In WoW it was clearly overgeared versus undergeared at least which at the time required *quite* the effort. In Daoc it was pretty much Stealther  > Clothie in under 2 seconds and not even gear could stop that.

AranStormah  7/18/08 3:49:10 AM

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Won't RvR just turn into the assist-trains from DAoC anyway, so it doesn't matter if one guy can two-shot you cause he has four friends that'll alpha you too?

I'd love to hear that there's such a depth to the class and combat system that the assist-train won't be king, but I'm just trying to look at this realistically.

Even Eve which has an extreme variety in setups, support, damage types and damage sources still comes down to the assist-train so in the end your life expectancy is counted in seconds if you're called primary.

 
Pheace  7/18/08 3:53:48 AM

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That is why i hope stick never makes it back into the game. The whole one man riding the whole group that doesn't even move for themselves when they go into combat would definately kill a good part of combat for me :E

TheHavok  7/18/08 4:10:57 AM

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I never realized this until my friend pointed it out; every mmorpg looks boring UNLESS you play it.  I have seen beta footage of WAR, even the recent city raids that were implemented near the guild beta, and the auto attacking looks slow. 

 

The only advice i can give is to hold tight and give the game a chance.  EVERY game, maybe excluding LOTRO, had a rough launch but eventually blossomed into so much more.

War is WAR.

 
fishytoothy  7/18/08 6:58:12 AM

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Can't be so sure about this until the game comes out. In DAOC it was very easy to 1-2 shot people--maybe they've done away with this.

 
Tee312  7/18/08 8:45:34 AM