Darkfall

Originally posted by chokepoint

I don't think anyone can cry vaporware when there is a long history of regular screenies, videos and regular developer updates, and an announced projected release date inside 2008.

 

 

Go here and read carefully:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware

Not our problem if you cannot see the similarities

Originally posted by chokepoint

I think you're in denial of the facts. The tentonhammer guys saw the game, did the interview, and reported it on their own website as occurring at E3. The same guys recently reported on the WOW WotLK expansion - are they faking that too?

...unless you're suggesting they're in on this world-wide Darkfall conspiracy or whatever crazy notion you believe.

The facts speak for themselves.

 

The fact is, the TTH DF interview was an INTERVIEW and they did NOT play the game.  You cant make up your own "facts".

Did you even read the articles you linked?  In the WotLK article, the first thing they say is that they got to sit down and try the game.  In the DF interview, they say no such thing.

So, yes, the actual facts speak for themselves.

Originally posted by Galadourn

And again:

what I'm arguing here is not whether or not DF will make it to the stores; I'm trying to refute the unsubstantiated claims, made by some people here and in other fora, that Aventurine doesn't have a product to publish.

 

For the reasons explained above, Aventurine must have a product to publish, in order to sign a publishing deal with a company listed in the stock market. Now how good that product is, and whether it will actually manage to release, is a different story...

Wrong, there's nothing about 'MUST' in it. All they have/had to do is talk to the distributor and impress them enough for that company to agree to distribute the game when it's finished.

None of us here are even saying that Adventurine doesn't have a game in some degree of development. What we are saying is that until some form of game either reaches beta or hits the shelves then it IS vaporware. I could sit here all day telling you about all the programs and games I've written. However, until someone other than myself has seen any of them then they too are vaporware.

Lastly, to sum up, you CAN have a publishing deal with no product other than an idea. The stock market has no bearing on the matter.

Originally posted by chokepoint

Originally posted by COORS

Originally posted by Friction2u

 

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Originally posted by SlyLoK
I remember Darfall being at E3 before... They " forgot " the demo and so only had a booth.

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I think it was the other way around. They did have the demo at E3.

 

There you go again.

Virtually everything you say is twisted and incorrect on purpose, I can only surmise. You haven't been correct about anything to do with this game yet. And... Seeing as how we're approaching August, with a game releasing in 2008, it looks like your record will remain intact come the end of year.

The truth. They have NEVER, EVER shown Darkfall to the masses, EVER, ANYWHERE!

Yes, that includes E3 and is WELL documented for anyone to look up on the Internet.

LOTS and LOTS of professional gaming sites attend E3. It is a HUGE event in the industry. Where are all the articles mentioning the Darkfall demo? Please show us where we can read them.

Thanks...

 

www.tentonhammer.com/index.php

- shows they had a playable demo at E3 2006. OK so maybe the public didn't get to play it.

 

Don't know if you know but in the last couple of years E3 has seen a huge split of game developers - Blizzard/Activision or whatever they are now calling themselves for instance no longer go there. It's basically Microsoft vs Nintendo vs Sony and heaps of console crap.

 

 

There was no demo, they sat there and piched the design concepts. It's quite clear in the article too that it was only a verbal explination of what they hoped to achieve in DF.

Originally posted by Theodgrim

Originally posted by chokepoint

I think you're in denial of the facts. The tentonhammer guys saw the game, did the interview, and reported it on their own website as occurring at E3. The same guys recently reported on the WOW WotLK expansion - are they faking that too?

...unless you're suggesting they're in on this world-wide Darkfall conspiracy or whatever crazy notion you believe.

The facts speak for themselves.

The fact is, the TTH DF interview was an INTERVIEW and they did NOT play the game.  You cant make up your own "facts".

Did you even read the articles you linked?  In the WotLK article, the first thing they say is that they got to sit down and try the game.  In the DF interview, they say no such thing.

So, yes, the actual facts speak for themselves.

I didn't say they played it, I said "saw" the game, which if you look at the first picture you'll see a picture of the guy sitting in front of the laptop. The title of the article is "First impressions", implying they saw the game. If they didn't see the game it would have been called an interview. The text "their physics and combat system are very realistic" is first person and also strongly suggests they saw the game. Lastly, interviews given by the Darkfall devs indicate they took a standalone demo version of the game to the event.

Yes facts do speak for themselves when you use your eyes and common sense. Not to mention there are other first-person accounts of people who have seen and/or played the game.

Originally posted by ElgarL

None of us here are even saying that Adventurine doesn't have a game in some degree of development. What we are saying is that until some form of game either reaches beta or hits the shelves then it IS vaporware. I could sit here all day telling you about all the programs and games I've written. However, until someone other than myself has seen any of them then they too are vaporware.

So every unreleased game in existence is vaporware? mmm OK

Note that other people have seen and played Darkfall so by your own definition, Darkfall is not vaporware.

Originally posted by ElgarL

Originally posted by Galadourn

And again:

what I'm arguing here is not whether or not DF will make it to the stores; I'm trying to refute the unsubstantiated claims, made by some people here and in other fora, that Aventurine doesn't have a product to publish.

 

For the reasons explained above, Aventurine must have a product to publish, in order to sign a publishing deal with a company listed in the stock market. Now how good that product is, and whether it will actually manage to release, is a different story...

 

Wrong, there's nothing about 'MUST' in it. All they have/had to do is talk to the distributor and impress them enough for that company to agree to distribute the game when it's finished.

None of us here are even saying that Adventurine doesn't have a game in some degree of development. What we are saying is that until some form of game either reaches beta or hits the shelves then it IS vaporware. I could sit here all day telling you about all the programs and games I've written. However, until someone other than myself has seen any of them then they too are vaporware.

Lastly, to sum up, you CAN have a publishing deal with no product other than an idea. The stock market has no bearing on the matter.

That actually depends on the distributor. If a developer doesn't have a publisher the better distributors will insist on a development contract where certain conditions of quality need to be meet before they distribute it.
 

Wow... another year of nothing.  It still amazes me the stupidity that people possess in these Darkfall forums.  Defending what you believe in is one thing.. but even being proven wrong and getting your nose shoved into it doesn't change your mind.  It's like everyone and everything points to the fact that grass is green, yet some of you still believe that it is yellow and that one day, the grass will change and we'll all be proven wrong.  Yes, piss is yellow too, that's about the only way it's going to change =P

This game has been in development for almost a decade.  Does anyone know what a decade is?  I'll tell you!  It's 10 freaking years.  How many games have been developed after that?  I'll venture to guess that very few have pulled that off, if any.  And certainly not a MMO of any kind.  They promise a 2003 release, you get nothing.  2004 release, you get nothing.  2005 release, again, nothing.  And in 2006 you think you see a glimmer of hope, nope.. nothing.  2007?  No.  It's now 2008 and they have yet again missed the biggest gaming convention of the year.  Even the smallest, crappiest game companies with horrible games come to this event.  It is the mack daddy of events.  Yet, Darkfall can't even manage to show up.  I would have felt better if they just said...   "Hey, we're here!  Sorry, no presentations!  But, we're here!"... So.. they either can't afford a booth, or they don't have a game, a logical analysis would dictate. 

Yet, whenever Vaporware is mentioned, it's met with scorn and hot tempers.  Ignorance doesn't even describe the steadfast denial of these Darkfall fans.  It's more like borderline insanity.  This is why I'm putting the next bit at the bottom, just to see how many people actually read through before resorting to personal attacks.  I personally believe that if this game is made, it should be great.  I'm an old UO'er.  I love this type of play style.  If it hit the shelves tomorrow, I'd be there with box in hand at the register.  You better believe it.  That said, I'm not stupid.  I'm not going to make myself look like an absolute moron because I like what Darkfall has promised.. forget the fact that they've broken their promise about 10 times now.  Until this company shows the gamer fans respect.  Unless this company interacts with the community as if we are actually people.  Until this company stands at E3 or has a press release of ANY significance.  Unless I see anything other than broken promises...  This game is...

Wait for it..

VAPORWARE!