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WoW, please sue logitech next, the G15 keyboard uses script keys to run multiple key strokes just like the glider does.

It's far from over still folks, it could take years to settle this still.

Originally posted by Trikke

WoW, please sue logitech next, the G15 keyboard uses script keys to run multiple key strokes just like the glider does.

As long as it doesn't interfere with the intended purpose of the program, that is allowed by the EULA. This is a bogus argument.

Why do you want a game played by bots?

Argument is, if you are gonna restrict scripting, than restrict scripting in all forms. with the G15 i can, script an entire fight with the push of 1 G key. The difference is in the amount of time you are interacting with your "BOT".  And this way if Blizzard wins the law suit they will not only tell us what programs we can have on our computer but what hardware as well.

also it would only apply to us servers as european law is different . so blizzard would have to get a ruling here as well , cant see that happening since a EULA has never been tested in a court of law in the uk . but legel opion when it was put to barristers a few years back said mos tof the agreement would be ruled illegal so in one repsect it could backfire on blizzard

Originally posted by Trikke

Originally posted by Trikke WoW, please sue logitech next, the G15 keyboard uses script keys to run multiple key strokes just like the glider does. As long as it doesn't interfere with the intended purpose of the program, that is allowed by the EULA. This is a bogus argument.

Argument is, if you are gonna restrict scripting, than restrict scripting in all forms. with the G15 i can, script an entire fight with the push of 1 G key. The difference is in the amount of time you are interacting with your "BOT".  And this way if Blizzard wins the law suit they will not only tell us what programs we can have on our computer but what hardware as well.

 

   

The difference with Macro's and the G15 keyboard is you still need to be at your keyboard to play, move from fight to fight and interact with other players.  Programs like Glider allow you to completely automate your gameplay to the point where you don't have to be at your keyboard for hours at a time and still benifit as if you had been at your computer playing.  You're making a huge leap to start thinking that companies will tell you what you can have on your computer.  Even if companies did start doing that I can choose not to buy their product. 
 

The law is the law, its not up to you to choose which laws or rules are ok to break.  Blizzard made a rule to play their game, if you break it, you're banned, nuff said.

Originally posted by huntersam

also it would only apply to us servers as european law is different . so blizzard would have to get a ruling here as well , cant see that happening since a EULA has never been tested in a court of law in the uk . but legel opion when it was put to barristers a few years back said mos tof the agreement would be ruled illegal so in one repsect it could backfire on blizzard

Well this has nothing to do with EULA it has to do with Copy right laws. As far as I am aware there isn't any US cases that have challenged the EULA either. Thus far the industry has been very good about not contesting their EULAs

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by Vrika

 

Buy singleplayer games and you have all the rights you need.

When you buy an mmo or online game, you are only buying the media containing the software needed to play the game. The maker of the game decides what can and cannot be used while you play on their servers, this is their right.

And running games with emulators is already illegal for singleplayer games unless you own a copy of the actual game. And private servers ( another emulator ) is illegal due to the ToS/EULA which has just gotten a little stronger backing now.

And the game itself can be run completely from memory ( if you have enough memory to form a virtual hard drive and if that virtual hard drive does not hinder Blizzards' protection programs, such as Warden ). It's the 3rd party program running in memory to circumvent detection while modifying the game outside of Blizzards design boundaries which is illegal ( as we've just seen from the ruling ).

Originally posted by Waterlily

Originally posted by Vrika

I think the laws are ridiculous when a player is allowed to play a game he owns, but not allowed to use a software wich copies the game to RAM to run the game.

He specifically states that the use of it by players is infringing on Blizzard's copyright with his verdict, thereby making it illegal.

I think it's not hard to make a case that an emulator running WoW is at least just as much infringing on WoW's copyright, if not more so.

I agree with Blizzard on this.  However you really should not use the word "illegal" - none of these things are illegal.  When something is "illegal" it violates a local/state/federal law (example: theft, rape, murder, illegal possession of a firearm, j-walking, speeding, etc, etc).  This matter with WoW is a CIVIL case and therefore no laws were in question here, hence nothing this people are doing is illegal, but rather a breach of private contract.  Things that illegal that you are convicted of will give you a criminal record, civil matters like this do not.

I hear this a lot with talks about EULA's and it is a tad annoying

Originally posted by gnat76

Originally posted by Trikke

Originally posted by Trikke WoW, please sue logitech next, the G15 keyboard uses script keys to run multiple key strokes just like the glider does. As long as it doesn't interfere with the intended purpose of the program, that is allowed by the EULA. This is a bogus argument.

Argument is, if you are gonna restrict scripting, than restrict scripting in all forms. with the G15 i can, script an entire fight with the push of 1 G key. The difference is in the amount of time you are interacting with your "BOT".  And this way if Blizzard wins the law suit they will not only tell us what programs we can have on our computer but what hardware as well.

 

   

The difference with Macro's and the G15 keyboard is you still need to be at your keyboard to play, move from fight to fight and interact with other players.  Programs like Glider allow you to completely automate your gameplay to the point where you don't have to be at your keyboard for hours at a time and still benifit as if you had been at your computer playing.  You're making a huge leap to start thinking that companies will tell you what you can have on your computer.  Even if companies did start doing that I can choose not to buy their product. 
 

The law is the law, its not up to you to choose which laws or rules are ok to break.  Blizzard made a rule to