WAR (Warhammer Online)

Originally posted by Loky

Originally posted by smitty0356

The company cuts content to the bone, AND changes it's name and structure

4 Classes are going on "hold" indefinately, which if that is anything like a beta invite, it could be years.

Capitol cities are cut...

Balance is out the window....  now no one will want to be any race but chaos, since they get a capitol city AND all of their classes

Promises of beta contests and giveaways have all been BS, with no winners named or end in sight.

Pre-orders nation-wide are being mis-handled and people are not getting their codes, and never will due to misunderstandings with the distributors.

Is this game in a complete meltdown?  I really don't know how they will release a balanced and functional game with so many necessary classes missing.  Ebay is selling preorders for a ton from people who were scammed by bestbuy or gamestop... all of this slop makes me think the launch will be a disaster!!  Reminds me of Vanguard.

 

 

Sometimes i wonder if balance is the right thing for a game? What is wrong with one "side" having someting the "other side" does not have? Meaning , do i want my team the same as yours? Only if it is going make me win? Therefore we all want balance but cannot have it... how a game distributes it is up for grabs. But i can be sure that i dont want my char on my side the same as any on the "other" side.

If  "They" can balance "sides"as in giving DIFFERENT abilities to all sides, i BET you would have a tough ass game in pvp.

It is harder to balance what one side lacks while the other has from a PVP perspective.  Blizzard tried their best but pretty much threw in the towel with their recent expansion.

Another example of this is the PVP in CoX where the villain side lacks empathy and as a result the heroes have an edge over the villains who have thermal but which is similar to empathy but not the same.

This thred is stupid. The OP is an idot. Pretty much everything he said is wrong.

Bolth sides are equal. BOLTH sides lost 1 tank an 1 dps. Each side has a capitol city.

Who cares if they WENT BACK to thier original name. I was never fond of the EA addon to the name anyways.

If gamestop or another store mess crap up.. thats thier bad, not mythics.

Originally posted by Hoplites

Originally posted by Loky

Originally posted by smitty0356

The company cuts content to the bone, AND changes it's name and structure

4 Classes are going on "hold" indefinately, which if that is anything like a beta invite, it could be years.

Capitol cities are cut...

Balance is out the window....  now no one will want to be any race but chaos, since they get a capitol city AND all of their classes

Promises of beta contests and giveaways have all been BS, with no winners named or end in sight.

Pre-orders nation-wide are being mis-handled and people are not getting their codes, and never will due to misunderstandings with the distributors.

Is this game in a complete meltdown?  I really don't know how they will release a balanced and functional game with so many necessary classes missing.  Ebay is selling preorders for a ton from people who were scammed by bestbuy or gamestop... all of this slop makes me think the launch will be a disaster!!  Reminds me of Vanguard.

 

 

Sometimes i wonder if balance is the right thing for a game? What is wrong with one "side" having someting the "other side" does not have? Meaning , do i want my team the same as yours? Only if it is going make me win? Therefore we all want balance but cannot have it... how a game distributes it is up for grabs. But i can be sure that i dont want my char on my side the same as any on the "other" side.

If  "They" can balance "sides"as in giving DIFFERENT abilities to all sides, i BET you would have a tough ass game in pvp.

 

It is harder to balance what one side lacks while the other has from a PVP perspective.  Blizzard tried their best but pretty much threw in the towel with their recent expansion.

Another example of this is the PVP in CoX where the villain side lacks empathy and as a result the heroes have an edge over the villains who have thermal but which is similar to empathy but not the same.

 

 

Yep i agree! I hope, as a pvp game , they gear these differences for (rvr) PVP.. guess time will tell. I might just give WAR 6 months before i play. Seriously. I did this with lotrO after a year, and i may try with aoc. Give these people time to work! We are like kids at a ice cream truck with new games....

Originally posted by Ascension08

Originally posted by bverji

Cabe2323 a beta is not meant for the type of changes that have been announced. These type of changes this late in the development is a signifier that something is extremly wrong on many levels.Again this is the common argument about a game ready to be released into the dumpster and it's a foolish, clueless argument.

Oh a Beta isn't meant for these types of changes huh? So what is, an Alpha? Haha, yeah, when everything's basically still on paper and it looks good. That's really the time to change it.

 

The paper stage is not the ALPHA. When the game is being conceptualized and the engine developed it's in pre-production or pre-ALPHA. The ALPHA is when a working code is being placed . The Alpha phase includes a lot of testing and after being decide that the game is COMPLETE it goes to beta. BETA is the stage of deveolpment when the usability testing is being done. The beta is used to test for malfunctions and balance. The beta is not where the game conception is supposed to be changed. If this is needed basically the game is set back 2/3 of its production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_stage#Pre-alpha

Originally posted by bverji

Originally posted by Ascension08

Originally posted by bverji

Cabe2323 a beta is not meant for the type of changes that have been announced. These type of changes this late in the development is a signifier that something is extremly wrong on many levels.Again this is the common argument about a game ready to be released into the dumpster and it's a foolish, clueless argument.

Oh a Beta isn't meant for these types of changes huh? So what is, an Alpha? Haha, yeah, when everything's basically still on paper and it looks good. That's really the time to change it.

 

 

The paper stage is not the ALPHA. When the game is being conceptualized and the engine developed it's in pre-production or pre-ALPHA. The ALPHA is when a working code is being placed . The Alpha phase includes a lot of testing and after being decide that the game is COMPLETE it goes to beta. BETA is the stage of deveolpment when the usability testing is being done. The beta is used to test for malfunctions and balance. The beta is not where the game conception is supposed to be changed. If this is needed basically the game is set back 2/3 of its production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_stage#Pre-alpha

oh god throwing random numbers now again are we?Ok look just because it didnt follow the production time lime doesnt mean anything. What your telling me is that on certain stages certain things can happen, but last i checked some of these never made it out of internal testing, thats right no one had them, beta testers didnt have them. So whats the loss.

It sounds to be you feel that this cut prty much the end of the game when really this stuff (Cept for the classes)

Look i really dont care to argue, people say the game is fun, and your just out to make the game feel like such horrid because of this cut, when all i hear is fun, when you really sit down and think of what is cut, and think about what is still in the game mechanics and content wise, you relise this cut isnt huge, this cut is the eng game, to put it in wow Terms, its if ya have MC,BWL,AQ40 and you take out the last 2, so instead of having all 3 at launch you just have MC........WoW ................1 end game dungeon that its gonna take awhile to beat.............damn shame, because even if they had BWL or Ony in at launch you would be RIGHT THERE RIGHT!

Meh just dont play the game if you think the devlopment cycle is crap or w/e , from what i have heard and seen it looks great, il stick to my guns and see in open beta and if i have fun......well that means i win :)

Originally posted by kryten

Originally posted by duffalpha

Originally posted by smitty0356

The company cuts content to the bone, AND changes it's name and structure

The bone? They removed hardly anything, there are still 20/24 classes.

lol we will see.

4 Classes are going on "hold" indefinately, which if that is anything like a beta invite, it could be years.

The classes were removed to provide balance, and better game play!

removed due to time and money (EA)

Capitol cities are cut...

There are still Capital, just not as many. And again, this is improve game play.

immersion breaking. the dwarves are homeless?!

Balance is out the window....  now no one will want to be any race but chaos, since they get a capitol city AND all of their classes

I dont know what your smoking, but I want some. Chaos lost 2 classes, and 2 capitals. Order lost 2 classes, and 2 capitals. Theyre equal.

remains to be seen.

Promises of beta contests and giveaways have all been BS, with no winners named or end in sight.

My buddy won one last month. The guild beta let hundreds in this week. Open beta should be next month or so.

why haven't they announced the winners? fishy.

Pre-orders nation-wide are being mis-handled and people are not getting their codes, and never will due to misunderstandings with the distributors.

Mythic isnt in charge of distribution. This is a problem with places like Gamestop and Best Buy

but they are in charge of the game.  all pre-orders mishandled? funny coincidence.

Is this game in a complete meltdown?  I really don't know how they will release a balanced and functional game with so many necessary classes missing.  Ebay is selling preorders for a ton from people who were scammed by bestbuy or gamestop... all of this slop makes me think the launch will be a disaster!!  Reminds me of Vanguard.

 even i will say this isn't as bad as vancrap but they are on the slippery soe slope.

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LOLOLOL  - so clueless its funny.  Kryten you really should look up information before spouting rubbish like that - good laugh though thanks..

Yes because if there are 3 stages to production and it goes back to the beginning of the 2nd stage that would make 2/3 a random number. I agree that the production time doesn't really mean anything, but you totally miss the point. The game isn't even ready to be in beta. They are piecing together a game; what are the chances that's going to work out well? I don't care if people play it or not. All I'm saying is don't ignore the patterns the game is following and jump in with both feet. The concerns people have are legitimate.

Originally posted by bverji

Yes because if there are 3 stages to production and it goes back to the beginning of the 2nd stage that would make 2/3 a random number. I agree that the production time doesn't really mean anything, but you totally miss the point. The game isn't even ready to be in beta. They are piecing together a game; what are the chances that's going to work out well? I don't care if people play it or not. All I'm saying is don't ignore the patterns the game is following and jump in with both feet. The concerns people have are legitimate.

are you in beta?