Lord of the Rings Online

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by observer

Originally posted by Yamota

The lore is all but set for a conflict between the Good and the Evil so why dont they introduce Orcs, Urukhais, Goblins and "Men of the South" as playable evil races and let us fight for control of Middle Earth?

It seems so obvious...

 

Please define what "real" PvP is.

If you think PvP is all about ganking in the open, then you're sorely mistaken.  There are many different aspects of it, such as instanced Battlegrounds in WoW, or mini games in AoC.  In LotRO, it's regulated to one zone only.

Speaking of AoC, is it "real" PvP, since the majority of their PvP servers are FFA?

 

What I define as "real" PvP in MMORPGs is a PvP that involved the MMORPG world and has consequences in the sense that you can win or lose something related to said world.

There is consequences in LotRO.  Ratings for example.  You get your first star at 1100, if i remember correctly.  Everytime you die, you lose rating, which means you lose stars.  You can also "win" something, called ranks, which is needed for gear.

You need to be more specific what you want as consequences, because everyone has different perspectives.

For example a castle, village or even personal items. This, will in the long run, give the sense that some party is losing or winning.

If either creeps or freeps control 3 out 5 keeps, they get to open up the Delving of Fror, which is needed to get stones for gear.  Keeps are also needed for quests and infamy/reknown, to open up session play for Trolls/Rangers.

I think you're just looking for Open World PvP, but that is only one aspect of "real" PvP in MMORPGs today, and there's no way Turbine could ever do it because of the Tolkien license and contract they are under.

Originally posted by Yamota

The lore is all but set for a conflict between the Good and the Evil so why dont they introduce Orcs, Urukhais, Goblins and "Men of the South" as playable evil races and let us fight for control of Middle Earth?

It seems so obvious...

That would have been a real cash cow for them but they've never said specifically why they didn't do it. I mean it's all about the war of the ring so the lore lends itself to it. Dam shame really cos I'd probably still be playing now. PvE content gets old really fast.

Originally posted by Garfunkel

Originally posted by Yamota

The lore is all but set for a conflict between the Good and the Evil so why dont they introduce Orcs, Urukhais, Goblins and "Men of the South" as playable evil races and let us fight for control of Middle Earth?

It seems so obvious...

 

That would have been a real cash cow for them but they've never said specifically why they didn't do it. I mean it's all about the war of the ring so the lore lends itself to it. Dam shame really cos I'd probably still be playing now. PvE content gets old really fast.

I have to disagree that the lore is all about the war. Tolkien even said himself that the books were about overcoming odds stacked against you and how the smallest person can do something that is considered impossible. There is so much more to the books than the war of the ring. I believe that they stated that tolkien enterprise wouldn't allow them to do a FFA PVP world were the free people PVP'd against each other. The lore didn't lend any help in createing a viable playable evil race since very little is known about them other than they are a backdrop in the book and antagonist that give a purpose to the quest. Wether you all want to admit it or not or like it or not. Tolkien enterprise has final say on any lore altering things that go into the game. Some things will slide but to have free people killing each other when they are coming together to fight the impending evil or to have the evil races doing or being in places they never were in the books won't slide with tolkien enterprise.

Maybe to you this game would of been perfect if you had your precious PVP but to alot of people it is perfect the way it is. To them PVE doesn't get boring and is fun and satisfying. I am sorry that it isn't for you and i hope you find as good of a PVP game as LOTRO is a PVE game that will satisfy your gaming needs.

Originally posted by Yeebo

 Also, playing monsters from 1-50 wouldn't male the first bit of sense with the IP.  All we know about the monsters from the books are how many showed up at each major battle and what their general battle plan was (for the most part).

 Warhammer or Warcraft are examples of IPs in which it does make sense to let players level up as "evil" characters, because both sides are depicted in equal detail by the pre-existing IP.  LotR is not.

Please tell explain to me why it would not make sense in the LOTR IP. In the books and in the movies you saw evil mobs with various levels of power and they certainly would need to have a place to grwo so it certainly would not contradict having an orc going from level 1-50. Just because they are not depicted in detail does not mean you cant use your imagination and assume that orcs, urukhais and the various "evil" races in LOTR would grow in power just like an elv or a human would. Again this is an MMORPG and not a movie or a scripted RPG so you are allowed to stray from the path.

Heck if you are so adamant about following the IP then leveling an elf should not be possible since they take houndreds, if not thousands of years to develop where as a human takes about 50. So how could you possible justify having the two races level at the same pace?

Since when is World PvP no longer real PvP? It is quite ignored by the devs, but it's more or less the only decent end-game there is. And it still beats the mid-game, I have 3 times the EXACT same quest, it's even the same quest item, just other other NPC who gave it.

Nothing is logical about lotro tbh. The HUGE gaps the first books, then you can suddenly keep playing, without having to do the worst quests ever (which lotro has, no doubt).

And most of all... You have the Orc Reaver, Uruk War-Leader, no goblins though, and men of the south are set as an expansion. And you fight for Middle-Earth where lotro's lore says, at the Ettenmoors. Where there is a constant battle for 5 keeps. It's there where Angmar's forces meet the Free Peoples.

Originally posted by Grindalyx

Originally posted by Garfunkel

Originally posted by Yamota

The lore is all but set for a conflict between the Good and the Evil so why dont they introduce Orcs, Urukhais, Goblins and "Men of the South" as playable evil races and let us fight for control of Middle Earth?

It seems so obvious...

 

That would have been a real cash cow for them but they've never said specifically why they didn't do it. I mean it's all about the war of the ring so the lore lends itself to it. Dam shame really cos I'd probably still be playing now. PvE content gets old really fast.

 

I have to disagree that the lore is all about the war. Tolkien even said himself that the books were about overcoming odds stacked against you and how the smallest person can do something that is considered impossible. There is so much more to the books than the war of the ring. I believe that they stated that tolkien enterprise wouldn't allow them to do a FFA PVP world were the free people PVP'd against each other. The lore didn't lend any help in createing a viable playable evil race since very little is known about them other than they are a backdrop in the book and antagonist that give a purpose to the quest. Wether you all want to admit it or not or like it or not. Tolkien enterprise has final say on any lore altering things that go into the game. Some things will slide but to have free people killing each other when they are coming together to fight the impending evil or to have the evil races doing or being in places they never were in the books won't slide with tolkien enterprise.

Maybe to you this game would of been perfect if you had your precious PVP but to alot of people it is perfect the way it is. To them PVE doesn't get boring and is fun and satisfying. I am sorry that it isn't for you and i hope you find as good of a PVP game as LOTRO is a PVE game that will satisfy your gaming needs.

Who said anything about free people fighting each other? I personally would not think that would be against the lore either, specially if you consider the tension between the elves and the dwarves so a conflict between them certainly wouldnt be impossible.

But anyway, I was talking about the conflict between the Good and the Evil and if you feel that is not a central part of the books then you have completely missed the biggest, although not the only, major part of the trilogy.

Tolkien was a devoted christian and repeteadly said that Gandalf was like an Angel so it is not too hard to figure out that Sauron would be the equivalent of a demon of Satan and the trilogy about the epic fight between the absolute Good and the absolute Evil. Frodo would then ofcourse symbolise the regular man who, even though he is a small hobbit, can affect the above mentioned epic struggle by choosing good and not be tempted by evil (the ring).

But in other characters, such as Saruman and even Boromir you have other people who choose to fight for the other side. Both of those characters were originally good people who succumb to the power of the ring and its a shame that this MMORPG does not let you do that.

It does not let you succumb to the power of the ring and choose the dark side and by not doing so it misses a big part of the story.

Because that is the way it is...end of story. Why does AOC suck? Because that's the way it is...end of story.