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Originally posted by Elikal
Geez, I am really tired of the ant-SOE whine whine whine. SOE isnt the only MMO company to have made bad decisions!
After my interest in Champions cooled a lot down, when I heared it was more an action FPS like game, I hope this will continue classic MMORPG virtues. I definitely put it on my watch list.

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Hate to burst your bubble, but I do remember a thread a long time ago that said that it would be very action paced (more FPS style) than classical RPG MMO. This was SOE saying this btw. So I guess you're stuck. I can't remember the thread since it was a good 6+ months ago when I read it. I think it was posted here in the Pub, but I can't remember for sure.

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Seriously,

I hated SOE's guts what they did to SWG with the NGE update!

But blaming SOE for Matrix Online's failure, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes failure? That goes WAY far people! Because if SOE didn't took them over, both of these games would have been long dead few months after their initial launch! R.I.P.!

And you all call SOE a doomsday company, only because of the NGE? Seriously! Grow up and move on! I know I did.

EverQuest I is still running. 10 years after release it's still running people! They still have enough subscriptions to keep it going.

EverQuest II is doing fine too (I know I still love the game). In fact, it's one of the best MMO's out there atm. Problem is that SOE always sucked in proper PR, especially here in Europe (non-existent!!). Otherwise they would have had double the subscriptions they have now. But still it's 300k people subscribed to this game. Not bad!

Because you all seem to forget that there are other MMO Companies out there that screw up too!

Auto Assault?

Asheron's Call 2?

Matrix Online (before SOE picked it up!!)

Vanguard: Saga of Heroes (before SOE picked it up!!)

Tabula Rasa?

Gods and Heroes (in fact the whole Company Perpetual Entertainment was a big joke, as they tried to screw up a HUGE IP like Star Trek Online as well!!)

Hellgate: London (now R.I.P. as Flagship Studios closed it's doors without warning to either employees nor their Hellgate: London fans that stood by them since the failure launch all the way up till now!!)

Age of Conan (and basically Anarchy Online as well... as how long did it take for Failcom...ehh Funcom to fix that game after the worst launch of all time??) ?

 

So before you burn SOE at the stake. Let's just wait what get's delivered and see. And yes, I'm not to eager about the Console Aspect either.

But just wait and see.

Yeah, very well put and i have to say even if SOE is evil and all according to everyone. I think maybe this will be a turning point for them to really prove themselves good. We never know. Still, i do think they will have a good support of fan base since they are using DC super heroes and all. I can see that is a good base for opening up to new players for the game. Once the word gets out and they attract some core fans of comics they might just hit it big and do good with it.

Originally posted by PsychoJon200

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Seriously,

I hated SOE's guts what they did to SWG with the NGE update!

But blaming SOE for Matrix Online's failure, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes failure? That goes WAY far people! Because if SOE didn't took them over, both of these games would have been long dead few months after their initial launch! R.I.P.!

And you all call SOE a doomsday company, only because of the NGE? Seriously! Grow up and move on! I know I did.

EverQuest I is still running. 10 years after release it's still running people! They still have enough subscriptions to keep it going.

EverQuest II is doing fine too (I know I still love the game). In fact, it's one of the best MMO's out there atm. Problem is that SOE always sucked in proper PR, especially here in Europe (non-existent!!). Otherwise they would have had double the subscriptions they have now. But still it's 300k people subscribed to this game. Not bad!

Because you all seem to forget that there are other MMO Companies out there that screw up too!

Auto Assault?

Asheron's Call 2?

Matrix Online (before SOE picked it up!!)

Vanguard: Saga of Heroes (before SOE picked it up!!)

Tabula Rasa?

Gods and Heroes (in fact the whole Company Perpetual Entertainment was a big joke, as they tried to screw up a HUGE IP like Star Trek Online as well!!)

Hellgate: London (now R.I.P. as Flagship Studios closed it's doors without warning to either employees nor their Hellgate: London fans that stood by them since the failure launch all the way up till now!!)

Age of Conan (and basically Anarchy Online as well... as how long did it take for Failcom...ehh Funcom to fix that game after the worst launch of all time??) ?

 

So before you burn SOE at the stake. Let's just wait what get's delivered and see. And yes, I'm not to eager about the Console Aspect either.

But just wait and see.

 

Yeah, very well put and i have to say even if SOE is evil and all according to everyone. I think maybe this will be a turning point for them to really prove themselves good. We never know. Still, i do think they will have a good support of fan base since they are using DC super heroes and all. I can see that is a good base for opening up to new players for the game. Once the word gets out and they attract some core fans of comics they might just hit it big and do good with it.

you forgot to add ea-games shutting down earth and beyond, sims online and starting an ultima-x that turned vaporware.

Two reasons this game will not live up to the hype for PC MMO'ers (the only kind at this point):

PC players will be turned off by simplicity of a console port

The comic book stories they talk about being 'live' will never happen.

SWG, EQ2, Matrix and especially CoX promised live events, dynamic content and evolving storylines.  The closest any of them delivered were static raids by Tusken in SWG and once in a year events from CoX.  Nothing else. 

Same old hype and same old drivel from SOE.  Given the fact that the PS3 has a crappy online interface, struggling sales and no market research proving any of the PS3 owners will actually subscribe to an MMO, we PC players will get the sloppy seconds of a failed console game. 

I prefer comic and sci-fi to fantasy, but I will not touch this with a ten foot pole.

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Originally posted by Dis_Ordur
Two reasons this game will not live up to the hype for PC MMO'ers (the only kind at this point):
PC players will be turned off by simplicity of a console port
The comic book stories they talk about being 'live' will never happen.
SWG, EQ2, Matrix and especially CoX promised live events, dynamic content and evolving storylines. The closest any of them delivered were static raids by Tusken in SWG and once in a year events from CoX. Nothing else.
Same old hype and same old drivel from SOE. Given the fact that the PS3 has a crappy online interface, struggling sales and no market research proving any of the PS3 owners will actually subscribe to an MMO, we PC players will get the sloppy seconds of a failed console game.
I prefer comic and sci-fi to fantasy, but I will not touch this with a ten foot pole.

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I think you make an interesting point here. I honestly never understood the whole "bringing MMO's to consle" sales pitch. IMHO I think consoles are the most horrible port to bring MMO's to. They're simply not adequately built for them, consoles as far as I've seen only excell at stand alone games, because that's what the majority of the games are, so in essence, the internet/mmo aspect of the console is made as an afterthough. Really the only console so far that I've seen, that has done a good job of bringing an online interface is Xbox, no surprise there though, since we are talking about Windows/Bill Gates, it's something that has been a part of their business and have experience in for many many years.

And Sony?... well exactly, what about Sony? We've all seen how well they did in the PS2 with their internet interface (or lack thereof) when FFXI came out for the PS2.

Computers on the other hand, once the birth of the internet began, grew and excelled to where it made them the perfect port for MMO games and I really hate to see online games be brought down due to consoles (anyone that has played FFXI will know what I'm talking about since there has been a huge debate as to why that game is being held back due to PS2 players)

Solomon Grundy wishes SOE wasn't behind this game!!!

Originally posted by Bane82

If Jim Lee is no newb to MMORPG's, hasn't he kept much contact on SOE's recent developments? Hasn't he heard about SOE's "management" of not just SWG, but also VG, MxO, EQ2?

You have that backwards.  Jim has been close friends with Brad Mcquaid since the late 90s.  He did the EQ comic for Brad as far back as 2001.  In fact along with Curt Shilling were the most 2 visible early celebrity proponents of MMO

So Jim's involvement with SOE goes back to the late 90s.  Jim also was close to Mcquaid when he moved to Sigil during the development of Vanguard.

But that's the old school ass-kicker in me talking.  Most of you guys probably started playing MMOs in 2006 and never heard of anything before WOW.   Maybe 2-3 smart dudes among the 1000 noobs who read this article actually "got" that FA reference by the writer

In truth Lee is overrated.  He's got an unparalleled mastery of proportions but his drawing is one-dimensional.  His storywork sucks.  His dialogue is laughable and there's 0 evidence he's qualified to be a creative director for an MMO.  HOWEVER there is one hope... it's that in a world were everything is dominated by WOW, and you cannot get a game into development which doesn't begin and end with World of Warcraft as a reference, Jim Lee is an OLD SCHOOL MMOer.  Back in the day of MUDs/EQ each game had a different flavor, were HARDER and much more intelligent than MMOs today.  DCU online is the one game that has a chance to do something different solely based on Jim's expertise with the genre. as opposed to ANOTHER WOW clone.

SOE ruins everything it touches, its the exact opposite of the midus touch.  ill never play anything by them again. 

In keeping with the theme of this thread:

You had me at hello...then you lost me with SOE.

And, as a long time comic book nerd, I wish I could be excited about this game.  But the fact is I'm a little nervous.  I've always been a bigger Marvel fan, but I do love DC as well.  I just can't imagine that any mmo, especially one that's being developed for console play, will live up at all to the great memories I have of the DC universe.  Call me a pessimist, but it seems to me like I won't be able to help but be let down when 70 years of comic history is crammed down into a button masher.  Add to it the fact it's being run by SOE and will therefore probably be released half finished and bugged as hell, and a sense of impending doom washes over me.  Hell, I don't know if any developer could make a good DC mmo that would live up to my admittedly lofty expectations.

I'm not trying to convince anyone not to play this, and in fact it may be a very well developed mmo upon its release, but for my own sanity I don't think I'll be going anywhere near it.  Whatever, just my two cents.

It was rumoured that SOE got the DCUO licence as a consolation for also taking on MxO off Warner Bros.

Thus far, DCUO looks somewhat appealing to me, but it looks a long way from polished / finished. Also, the entire slant of the MMORPG article is how cool it would be to play along side the established characters. Yes, it would... some of the time. But players don't always want to be Robin - sometimes they want to be Batman (or beat the snot out of Batman, for that matter).

Also, there hasn't been a good description of how players build characters. All in all, it's very early days for DCUO.

Even though I am usually a firm beleiver in the  "Give each game its own fair chance" rule...I'm afraid I for one am also going to have to go with the popular consent here.... SOE MMO's are a tried and failed product all around. The companies history is just too blemished now to give any title that even has thier logo on it a fair shot...its just not worth wasting the time...even if it starts out as a good title.

Although again...this is my bias'd opinion of SOE:

SOE is historically known for its blunders. SOE is historically known for running a decent title into the ground. SOE has a history of ignoring all/most of the player feedback. To me...SOE is the worst type of publisher, they are a bottom dollar company that doesn't care about the so called "content" they slam around their game engine so long as its a shiny title that appeals to a crowd or already has a fan base. They have no desire to make a good and lasting game that will provide many hours of real entertainment and joy for people...and that should be the number one priority IMO. They are banking on the retail sales and the 1-3 months of subscription fees they will collect from DC fans before they flee in shock and dismay. In the end...another SOE station pass garbage game they can write off as being "successful" because sooooooo many people of course are "Playing/Subscribed" the game  (because they have a station pass, not becuase they are active).

The worst part...regardless of how bad they do...or how they botch a game...or how they ignore and treat their player base like garbage...they will NEVER APOLOGIZE....never say they are SORRY....and never correct their mistakes...regardless of how obvious it is to the rest of the world. Seriously...SOE has burned the bridge...with extreme predijuced.

I feel truly sorry for anyone looking forward to this game because they are a fan of DC comics. Truly...my heart felt and sincere sympathies....because you will be witness to watching it get butchered. If you are a SW and a DC fan...well...really...there's nothing I can say to those people...they already know...or at least will find out.

"the next hero...is you".    ::rolls her eyes::    DCU looks terrible, sounds terrible and most likely will suck so bad simply because SOE is in charge - not even going to give it a second look.

Originally posted by gamerman98

im just glad that SOE has their filthy paws all over DC and not Marvel.

Unfortunately, I find myself at the opposite side of the fence. I wish they'd done Marvel rather than DC. I don't much care if they screw up Spidey, but fucking up Batman is sacriligious.

You know what? Why hasnt anyone resurrected the old MicroProse series of X-COM UFO Defense as a MMO? That game is still one of my favorites and if youve played it youll know its almost a MMO without the M!

Someone get Mythic on the phone and lets get this gem from the past resurrected again! Maybe even see a new and improved X-COM offline game! Oh hell, maybe it could be both!

Might have been interested, but it is from SOE, so I won't touch it.

greetz

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Seriously,

I hated SOE's guts what they did to SWG with the NGE update!

But blaming SOE for Matrix Online's failure, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes failure? That goes WAY far people! Because if SOE didn't took them over, both of these games would have been long dead few months after their initial launch! R.I.P.!

And you all call SOE a doomsday company, only because of the NGE? Seriously! Grow up and move on! I know I did.

EverQuest I is still running. 10 years after release it's still running people! They still have enough subscriptions to keep it going.

EverQuest II is doing fine too (I know I still love the game). In fact, it's one of the best MMO's out there atm. Problem is that SOE always sucked in proper PR, especially here in Europe (non-existent!!). Otherwise they would have had double the subscriptions they have now. But still it's 300k people subscribed to this game. Not bad!

Because you all seem to forget that there are other MMO Companies out there that screw up too!

Auto Assault? NCsoft, their only real blunder imo.

Asheron's Call 2? EA i believe, not much to say here

Matrix Online (before SOE picked it up!!) No clue who made it, who cares. Keeping a game on life support with rarely any updates or events, isnt helping it

Vanguard: Saga of Heroes (before SOE picked it up!!) Soulbound items and made into a EQ clone.

Tabula Rasa? Decent game

Gods and Heroes (in fact the whole Company Perpetual Entertainment was a big joke, as they tried to screw up a HUGE IP like Star Trek Online as well!!) this game wasnt even released

Hellgate: London (now R.I.P. as Flagship Studios closed it's doors without warning to either employees nor their Hellgate: London fans that stood by them since the failure launch all the way up till now!!) this game was just bad

Age of Conan (and basically Anarchy Online as well... as how long did it take for Failcom...ehh Funcom to fix that game after the worst launch of all time??) ? It is too early to tell whether or not AOC is bad. There are always bugs at launch, whether you like it or not. And Anarachy online, aside from the bad launch, was an excellent game and is now considered to be an MMO gem.

 

So before you burn SOE at the stake. Let's just wait what get's delivered and see. And yes, I'm not to eager about the Console Aspect either.

But just wait and see.

SOE screwed up alot more games then SWG. Think EQ, and Planetside. I hear people complain all the time about what SOE did to those 2 games, and SWG:NGE. Also SOE is notorious for keeping games on life support with rarely any updates or events, what good is that? And how much fun can you have in a game that the company that owns it, wont even bother keeping it updated. Also, people who havent even played these games dont like SOE just because of the bad reputation it has. Its a company's reputation that makes them either good or bad. And face it, SOE has the most shitty reputation in the MMOG industry

EDIT: also i feel pretty much like everyone else, except its a shame that its DC and not Marvel who is getting their game developed by SOE. I'm going to be at the comic-con in a little over a week, ill try to play it and report back here with some info.

Holy crow, if you people are not going to touch this mmo because how they ''screwed'' people, what mmo are you going to play then, every mmo maker has screwed there customers, most even worse than soe, so i hope you stand on the grounds and not play any mmo, if your that much of a freedom fighter for people getting screwed in mmos. And for some reason i dont think any of you have the balls to do that, i bet most of you are playing an mmo, and theres these disgruntled people that look at you the same way you look at people playing soe games.

Originally posted by boognish75

Holy crow, if you people are not going to touch this mmo because how they ''screwed'' people, what mmo are you going to play then, every mmo maker has screwed there customers, most even worse than soe, so i hope you stand on the grounds and not play any mmo, if your that much of a freedom fighter for people getting screwed in mmos. And for some reason i dont think any of you have the balls to do that, i bet most of you are playing an mmo, and theres these disgruntled people that look at you the same way you look at people playing soe games.

name three and list what they did that was worse then SOE. And make sure what they did affected a large playerbade also, considering what SOE has done.

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by boognish75

Holy crow, if you people are not going to touch this mmo because how they ''screwed'' people, what mmo are you going to play then, every mmo maker has screwed there customers, most even worse than soe, so i hope you stand on the grounds and not play any mmo, if your that much of a freedom fighter for people getting screwed in mmos. And for some reason i dont think any of you have the balls to do that, i bet most of you are playing an mmo, and theres these disgruntled people that look at you the same way you look at people playing soe games.

 

name three and list what they did that was worse then SOE. And make sure what they did affected a large playerbade also, considering what SOE has done.

Blizard-the burning crusade, made every endgame player worthl;ess and bzasically start raiding from scratch

ea-games..shut down every mmo company they bought ditched the game, farked the playerbase moved the dev s to stupid games on consoles. (I pray for mythic that they dont get bones)

Eve- werent one of the gm's caught cheating or some crap, and when trinity came out if you rebooted your computer after installation you could not reboot yer puter because it erased the boot.ini file

and theres one more where the name of the game escapes me now, but they changed the market and crafting andhalf the playerbase left

Dark and light- this game robbed peopleof money , made the game half finishd on release, and stole a game engine.

Originally posted by Teala

"the next hero...is you".    ::rolls her eyes::    DCU looks terrible, sounds terrible and most likely will suck so bad simply because SOE is in charge - not even going to give it a second look.

 I find it hard to believe they will stay with "the next hero..is you" for long in the game. This is the same company they felt everyone wanted to be Luke and Han in SWG instead of haveing there own story. After all it is always so "Iconic" to be just like Superman and Batman :P