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Originally posted by thamighty213

I dont hate SOE but I sure as hell dont trust them either.

 

I will still pay money to them if they have a preoduct that warrants it they just dont have that product anymore.

As for Sony themselves with the exception of PS3 I wont buy any of their products anyway because they are overpriced crap you can get the same tech the same specs for more than half the price of their garbage.

Only reason i bought a PS3 is because Pro Evo doesnt feel right not being on a PS

I can respect this opinion and many of the other, similar opinions... no hate. Your mistrust is warranted and you are filly entitled to feel that way. I believe you understand the diffence between hate and a lesser descriptive.

Originally posted by sinjin

Here is what SoE (not Sony) did to make me have such hate towards them and any product they will ever produce. Yes, I assure you it is hate.

I will keep this simple and to the point. I payed and played a game for a couple years. I payed and played this game becuase I liked it at the time.  In all my 14 years of MMO gaming or any gaming for that matter, I have never seen a company take the core mechanics of a game and just totally redo them.  This made the game totally different and that is not what I payed to play.  I also felt that my investment of time was all flushed down the toliet due to not being able to play the horrid new style of game they introduced.

It would be no different then if I went out, bought a brand new porche, then about two years later they come take it away and leave me with a pinto in my driveway.  I would be confused and pissed off, so mad infact I would hate Porche and never buy another product from them in the future, as many have chose to do with SoE product's.

I was one of the lucky individuals that got a full reinburstment from SoE for the purchase of the game (multiple copies) I had 5 subs at the time. Also, I got back my 2 years of monthly payment's in full.

SoE didn't wake up over night and decide to make these huge changes.  They had this planned, they are a large corp who likes to make money.  Where they failed was to deliver proper communication  stating the direction of the game was going.  You cannot do this in the business world and get away with it.

As you stated your feelings are true hate, and I respect your point of view, I would like to know how you can still harbor hate towards the company? From what I read here, you won! Congratulations because I love it when David triumphs over Goliath. Does this triumph not offer you a certain inner feeling of content? I know if I could get reimbursed for dumping the money into a certain recent release that I feel totally misled the gamers.

And I also agree that SOE decisions were not made overnight, but I also agree with a previous post in that SOE did not make these decisions to chase away it's subscribers either. There was obviously discussion, projections, market study, due diligence composed by someone at SOE that came to the conclusion that making certain decsions would benefit the game... and that person who created the powerpoint presentation has probably been fired since.

What I'm saying, man,  is you are one of the lucky ones. Toast your victory. I just find it hard to still hate a company that you triumphed over but that might be my (mostly) positive outlook on life. My glass is always half full.

i like many of my friends got screwed over when $OE came out with the cu and then nge.

they took what was one of the greatest mmo games ever made and turned it into what we have now a dead game that no one likes and if anyone does like it they should throw out their pc right now as they are not a gamer.

i hate $OE as now others are doing the same things they do funCON ripped off an untold number of people with age of CONan and it is clear that CONan has bombed.

what i want is gaming to go back to the old days back when fanbois stayed in their hole and didn't come out and devs did what we told them to do.

what i and 250k of my friends want is the return of the pre-cu system of swg a full rollback to that system not a classic server but a full on rollback to when the game was fun.

and we are winning this war mmorpg has almost a million members and all of them back us swg vets and our war with $OE. all of those people want a pre-cu game and also want to see Smed put in jail for ripping all of us off.

Originally posted by swgtester1

i like many of my friends got screwed over when $OE came out with the cu and then nge.

they took what was one of the greatest mmo games ever made and turned it into what we have now a dead game that no one likes and if anyone does like it they should throw out their pc right now as they are not a gamer.

i hate $OE as now others are doing the same things they do funCON ripped off an untold number of people with age of CONan and it is clear that CONan has bombed.

what i want is gaming to go back to the old days back when fanbois stayed in their hole and didn't come out and devs did what we told them to do.

what i and 250k of my friends want is the return of the pre-cu system of swg a full rollback to that system not a classic server but a full on rollback to when the game was fun.

and we are winning this war mmorpg has almost a million members and all of them back us swg vets and our war with $OE. all of those people want a pre-cu game and also want to see Smed put in jail for ripping all of us off.

I'm not sure if it's your cup of tea, but until you and your friends win the war you might want to check out some of the private pre-cu SWG servers out there... google it :)

Why not title this post, "What is the true definition of hate?".

Every time the OP gets backed in a corner he uses the literal term to prove a point. And you guys keep argueing with him. Its a circular argument. The OP has set it up that way. You can't win.

People throw around the word "hate" too much these days.

In the literal sense, no one here truely "hates" SOE.  If they say they do, they are wrong.

Originally posted by donjn

People throw around the word "hate" too much these days.

In the literal sense, no one here truely "hates" SOE.  If they say they do, they are wrong.

You haven't a clue..that is quite aparent..

I hate ,if not all SOE.at the very least several people in it.I dispise,detest,loath and would do them harm if ever we were to meet,knowing that i would go to jail for it,So yes..I HATE them.

 They took money from me with no intent on liviing up to the offer they made to get said money.And no, I didn't get a refund,because i bought my copy of an expantion in a real store instead of an on-line pre-order.they removed over 4000+ hours of time i had invested in my char's in SWG.Yes..I hate them..They said it was my fault for not likeing the changes..I hate them.They lied,cheated and otherwise took advantage of me and several thousands of  other people..I and a lot of them truely hate people at SOE.And hell no..I won't get over it.Ever.

Originally posted by Bronks

Originally posted by eccoton

You simply do not get it. You proudly say you will keep playing eq2 and vanguard. You were not a pre-nge swg vet.Check some of my followup posts... I was in SWG at launch till NGE.

What if one day your characters in EQ2 were simply removed from the game? I would hit cancel... but I still got my money's worth from the game during that time, and made friendships in-game that carried with me through other games. My original SWG guild all joined WoW together and we still play together in most games now.

What if your nearly 3 years of work and trust you put into the company had been ripped away? Game play is not work unless you are farming gold to sell for real money. If you consider playing games work then you need to unplug.

It is that simple. Your post has a tone of a holyer then though attitude. I am not a SOE hater. I just recently cancelled eq2 after 4 years and I was a dedicted SWG player who all 3 mains were made useless after almost 3 years of work yet I still played EQ2. I do not hate SOE but I do understand why people do. SOE affected a lot of people with SWG and you should support them not put them down. Again, I understand anger and dissatisfaction... it is the HATE that I don't agree with.

You ask what makes so many haters. I ask you what makes you have so little compassion for those who were truely hurt by SOE by nge. And again from my original post, how did the game TRULY hurt you? Physically? Emotionally? I understand the emotional aspect because SWG pretty much ruined my enjoyment of the star wars universe, but I still don't HATE the company. In the words of Donald Trump, "It's just business."

What makes your post so thoughtless and ignorant of what SOE did to many players. You simply do not get it. The hate for SOE by many is justified. I still stand firm in stating that hate is a word thrown around too casually. I accept distrust, disgruntled, disenfranchised, hurt, upset, angry, and a slew of other words used to describe emotions, but I still draw the line at hate.
 

Is there a generation gap? Should I blame the media for making this generation forget what hate really is? Rodney King, KKK, Genocide, Nazis, Rwanda... this is hate. I am trying to draw a line between absolute emotion (like hate) and general displeasure in it's varying forms...

 

 

A generation gap? Are you refering to me? You suggesting I do not understand the meaning of hate because I am a younger generation then you? I am probably a lot older then you. I am not saying that to put you down just stating a likely fact. I am sure I am in the older group of people who post here. If you are 50+ then i retract my I am older statement and welcome you to the ranks of mature gamers.

As far as how people were hurt by SOE (i would venture to guess 90% of the "haters" as you call them are SWG vets). If you do not understand that then you miss what mmos are for a lot of the players. The same way SOE missed it. They are more then a game for many. To you they are games so it is easy to dismiss them and the emotional impact they have on some players. No everyone is as strong minded as you seem to be.

Give me a break about using the term "work" you knew exactly what I meant by "work". Your insulting comment about needing to unplugg because I used the term "work" is a veiled insult and you know it.

As far as you going back over and over again to the word "hate" you are using that to defend a weak point. If someone disagrees you question their understanding of the world hate. In the gaming world game "haters" and using "hate" as a term does not mean "hate" in the way you want it to. It is a common way to discribe players who voice their anger about a game and a company. So in this context you seem to be the one who does not know what "hate" means.

You started a post that is mean spirited and was not asking for true information. You were actually subtly putting down people who feel hate, dislike, anger, etc, etc, etc for SOE. However you make it clear you are more level head because you still play games by SOE. I do not play them anymore because they are a buisness that to me failed at customer respect and game managment. So I felt it was time to stop giving them money. Even if I loved one of their games and I loved EQ2.

If you truely are connecting the emotions of "hating" a game company to say Rwanda, kkk, and nazi then your post is totally pointless. Why would any one connect those things to hating a game company. In all the "hate" posts about SOE I never made those connections.  If you were as I "thought" looking for reasons why so many do not like (hate) SOE or play their game then we explained it. Oh, but you dismissed it since we do not understand the word "hate".