So the outcry is you want Skill Based right?

Originally posted by CrazyIvor

Originally posted by oblivionate

In DaOC, a group of 12 who were coordinated could take out 50 who were acting without a team effort.

 

I couldn't agree more Oblivionate, people who haven't played DAoC and experienced the wonder that is RvR will never understand this untill they get to play WAR.  I remember the days a well coordinated group of hibs/mids turning up at the alb gate in emain would butcher about three or four groups of albs

The good old days.

Originally posted by CrazyIvor

Originally posted by oblivionate

In DaOC, a group of 12 who were coordinated could take out 50 who were acting without a team effort.

 

I couldn't agree more Oblivionate, people who haven't played DAoC and experienced the wonder that is RvR will never understand this untill they get to play WAR.  I remember the days a well coordinated group of hibs/mids turning up at the alb gate in emain would butcher about three or four groups of albs

I have to agree with the daoc thing, I have talked to and read posts from tons of people who have not played daoc and simply cannot really grasp just what RvR is really like.

Originally posted by CrazyIvor

Originally posted by oblivionate

In DaOC, a group of 12 who were coordinated could take out 50 who were acting without a team effort.

 

I couldn't agree more Oblivionate, people who haven't played DAoC and experienced the wonder that is RvR will never understand this untill they get to play WAR.  I remember the days a well coordinated group of hibs/mids turning up at the alb gate in emain would butcher about three or four groups of albs

So true... Just search for "Kzar Zerg" video on Youtube as a good example :)

Originally posted by jezvin

+ Anything else I have forgotten because there is so much

 

 

Damn now what am I to do in WAR with just 20 classes and 2 cities there is going to be no content at all. This game sucks goodbye.

You're...being sarcastic right? If you think of it there's actually ALOT of content besides those cities, also I think before many of us reach lvl 40 (Except the no-lifers) some/most of it will be back and we'll have more stuff to occupy our time.

Originally posted by Dlore

Originally posted by jezvin

+ Anything else I have forgotten because there is so much

 

 

Damn now what am I to do in WAR with just 20 classes and 2 cities there is going to be no content at all. This game sucks goodbye.

 

You're...being sarcastic right? If you think of it there's actually ALOT of content besides those cities, also I think before many of us reach lvl 40 (Except the no-lifers) some/most of it will be back and we'll have more stuff to occupy our time.

don't worry...he was being sarcastic.

Originally posted by Capn23

Originally posted by Dlore

Originally posted by jezvin

+ Anything else I have forgotten because there is so much

 

 

Damn now what am I to do in WAR with just 20 classes and 2 cities there is going to be no content at all. This game sucks goodbye.

 

You're...being sarcastic right? If you think of it there's actually ALOT of content besides those cities, also I think before many of us reach lvl 40 (Except the no-lifers) some/most of it will be back and we'll have more stuff to occupy our time.

 

don't worry...he was being sarcastic.

rofl ok, I actually thought so. If not the trolls became alittle....odd?

this thread delivers.

I watched that DAoC vid...that was pretty awesome.

See you are all missing the point.

Its not what they cut, its the fact they cut the content.

So its okay to cut content and release the game then to finish the content and then release the game.  That is the point you guys are missing... I dont care what they cut,,, I care that they cut content to make sure they can release the game instead of finishing the content before releasing the game.

hmmm and we wonder why game companies release unfinished games.

Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by ProfRed

It's not that they don't have enough content that has me worried, but the fact that they planned and designed the game for years around this content.  They had endless meetings and decided it would be the best design and now they are cutting it because of a deadline.

I don't think it's the end of the World, or this game will be bad because of it, but it does scare me.  Changing major design elements this close to launch can have major side effects.

 

Theres no side effects when it benefits the game as a whole. Why do people insist on posting crap they have no idea about. It was a decision to BETTER the game no to have side effects. Would you rather they released it without telling us, won t mention the company that just did this as we all know. I mean they told us , it s better for the game atm and it will be phased in. Why are people so blind to this.

No I would rather them finish the game the way it was designed.  What is it with you guys being so rude?  You don't know the side effects and neither do I which is why I said it CAN have major side effects.  They will always tell you that whatever they do is good for some reason.  The fact of the matter is that they are cutting content to meet a deadline. 

I even said I don't think it's the end of the World and that the game won't be bad because of it.  All  I am saying is that it scares me.  Do you think being a jerk will make me feel better about it? 

I am a fan of phasing the stuff in if they can and have the time and don't release it as an expansion.  I have always said I am a fan of delivering less more polished content than more unpolished content.  I have also said that if I was in there shoes and I had to deliver the game by the decided date then I would take the same approach they are taking.  That still doesn't mean I wouldn't rather have it pushed back, and yes it still does scare me. 

It amazes me that people can take bad news and spin it around to be great news and then shove their opinions down my throat when I express my concern in a legitimate manner. 

Originally posted by TdogSkal

See you are all missing the point.

Its not what they cut, its the fact they cut the content.

So its okay to cut content and release the game then to finish the content and then release the game.

hmmm and we wonder why game companies release unfinished games.

why do people keep using the word cut?

it's not like they put on hold ENTIRE features. We still have city seiges. They just have less of a certain feature, which in the end brings larger scale battles. The kind of battles that people will talk about years from now to the newbies.

"

So its okay to cut content and release the game then to finish the content and then release the game.

hmmm and we wonder why game companies release unfinished games."

Feel free to wait several months before you start playing. It isn't like Mythic is going to come jam this game down your throat.

So things were cut and put on hold. Mythic was honest about it well in advance of their release timetable. I have no problem with that and actually see it as a good thing. More companies should follow suit.

"I am a fan of phasing the stuff in if they can and have the time and don't release it as an expansion. "

There was a link to some posts where it was said that they do not plan on releasing the cities as expansion and will put them in the game when they are as detailed and lifelike as Altdorf and Inevitable. Now I just wish I could find it....

Anyway, it is in this WAR forum someplace.

Originally posted by TdogSkal

See you are all missing the point.

Its not what they cut, its the fact they cut the content.

So its okay to cut content and release the game then to finish the content and then release the game.

hmmm and we wonder why game companies release unfinished games.

Yes actually especially if they're up front about it within a reasonable time period so Whiners can cut ship and run.  Atleast they're willing to NOT put subpar content in like MOST games would *cough aoc, cough vanguard*

Look Game Software especially MMOs are expensive to make, super expensive.  Hell more expensive than some of the software the US military buys.  Eventually you have to be FIRM about the date.  Eventually the simple excuse of 'its not completely ready' doesn't cut it anymore.   If they'd of delayed people would of bitched and cried just as much if not more.  

They're not removing an entire system simply a couple of options.  If they were to remove the Guild System or even the PvP system I could see the need to complain about incompleteness.  Techincally they're delivering everything they majorly promised which is Massive Battles, PvP, PvE, Sieging etc.   The game may have some 'content' missing but you know what so did WoW...WoW was missing its ENTIRE end game system, WAR is not. 

Unless you know of some magical endless money fairy and suddenly learn how to program / design games then perhaps you should just step off.

I'm not saying I LIKE the decision but I am saying good common sense and a sense of reason is warrented and all the bitch whining of incompleteness doesn't apply.  To me a complete game obviously means something entirely different.  To me a complete game means all the Systems necessary to run are in and functioning other than minor bugs.    Thats what they're giving us even if they had to forgo a few peices of content in order to reach the 'complete' status.

Now if they cut out Sieging I'll be eating my own cheese with a whole lot of whine.

Originally posted by ProfRed

It's not that they don't have enough content that has me worried, but the fact that they planned and designed the game for years around this content.  They had endless meetings and decided it would be the best design and now they are cutting it because of a deadline.

I don't think it's the end of the World, or this game will be bad because of it, but it does scare me.  Changing major design elements this close to launch can have major side effects.

This is one of the best reasonings I have ever read in this forum.

Originally posted by ProfRed

Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by ProfRed

It's not that they don't have enough content that has me worried, but the fact that they planned and designed the game for years around this content.  They had endless meetings and decided it would be the best design and now they are cutting it because of a deadline.

I don't think it's the end of the World, or this game will be bad because of it, but it does scare me.  Changing major design elements this close to launch can have major side effects.

 

Theres no side effects when it benefits the game as a whole. Why do people insist on posting crap they have no idea about. It was a decision to BETTER the game no to have side effects. Would you rather they released it without telling us, won t mention the company that just did this as we all know. I mean they told us , it s better for the game atm and it will be phased in. Why are people so blind to this.

 

No I would rather them finish the game the way it was designed.  What is it with you guys being so rude?  You don't know the side effects and neither do I which is why I said it CAN have major side effects.  They will always tell you that whatever they do is good for some reason.  The fact of the matter is that they are cutting content to meet a deadline. 

I even said I don't think it's the end of the World and that the game won't be bad because of it.  All  I am saying is that it scares me.  Do you think being a jerk will make me feel better about it? 

I am a fan of phasing the stuff in if they can and have the time and don't release it as an expansion.  I have always said I am a fan of delivering less more polished content than more unpolished content.  I have also said that if I was in there shoes and I had to deliver the game by the decided date then I would take the same approach they are taking.  That still doesn't mean I wouldn't rather have it pushed back, and yes it still does scare me. 

It amazes me that people can take bad news and spin it around to be great news and then shove their opinions down my throat when I express my concern in a legitimate manner. 

I think we're all a little anxious about how this will work out. There are some who just like to look at the bright side. Some take a look at the good and bad. Some look at just the bad. It's all about perspective.

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by ProfRed

It's not that they don't have enough content that has me worried, but the fact that they planned and designed the game for years around this content.  They had endless meetings and decided it would be the best design and now they are cutting it because of a deadline.

I don't think it's the end of the World, or this game will be bad because of it, but it does scare me.  Changing major design elements this close to launch can have major side effects.

 

This is one of the best reasonings I have ever read in this forum.

The only problem I have with it is the words major design elements. They did not change major design elements, they removed content. There is still an even number of classes on each side and equal number of roles, and there are still city sieges. They just reduced the number. If WoW was to cut out half the raids that wouldn't be a design change it’s a content removal.

saying design elements is saying they changed the idea of the game, its still going to be a RvR war between two sides with siege warfare.

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by ProfRed

It's not that they don't have enough content that has me worried, but the fact that they planned and designed the game for years around this content.  They had endless meetings and decided it would be the best design and now they are cutting it because of a deadline.

I don't think it's the end of the World, or this game will be bad because of it, but it does scare me.  Changing major design elements this close to launch can have major side effects.

 

This is one of the best reasonings I have ever read in this forum.

Ignore this person he/she trolls every forum. Not sure if this person likes any game or just likes to be heard.

Originally posted by ProfRed

It's not that they don't have enough content that has me worried, but the fact that they planned and designed the game for years around this content.  They had endless meetings and decided it would be the best design and now they are cutting it because of a deadline.

I don't think it's the end of the World, or this game will be bad because of it, but it does scare me.  Changing major design elements this close to launch can have major side effects.

Its standard practice with any software development and not just games.  Eventually a firm date has to be reached you don't know that firm date from the beginning with every single project.  Not to mention changes that need to be made over time it all starts to burn up the time thats needed to reach completeness. Eventually that time over runs and delays happen but still eventually there has to be a cut off because if you NEVER put a firm date down and you NEVER decide on an end point the work NEVER ends.

Despite what you think Red its not just Start & End...there's Start.....eventual Middle....eventually decide on an end.  While I'd like the game to have all the content CHOICES (since techincally the end game is there just less choices) its not that far fetched to release without some of the choices to get started.

When your designing something as massive and changing as an MMO over scheduling & design happens, hell it happens with EVERY game.  Its just far more obvious in MMOs than it is in a standard single player game.

The fact is unless your in software design & production (which I am and I can tell you cutting anything out is hard as hell to decide on and HURTS like hell to see something you slaved over go to the way side even if its temporary) you have no damn idea what its like trying to reach an end point.  Eventually everyone wants to be able to sleep and see their families for more than 2 hours a night.  Eventually everyone would like to take a vacation and get replenished.   But if there's no end date insight it just tends to really KILL productivity and morale.

Originally posted by ProfRed

Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by ProfRed

It's not that they don't have enough content that has me worried, but the fact that they planned and designed the game for years around this content.  They had endless meetings and decided it would be the best design and now they are cutting it because of a deadline.

I don't think it's the end of the World, or this game will be bad because of it, but it does scare me.  Changing major design elements this close to launch can have major side effects.

 

Theres no side effects when it benefits the game as a whole. Why do people insist on posting crap they have no idea about. It was a decision to BETTER the game no to have side effects. Would you rather they released it without telling us, won t mention the company that just did this as we all know. I mean they told us , it s better for the game atm and it will be phased in. Why are people so blind to this.

 

No I would rather them finish the game the way it was designed.  What is it with you guys being so rude?  You don't know the side effects and neither do I which is why I said it CAN have major side effects.  They will always tell you that whatever they do is good for some reason.  The fact of the matter is that they are cutting content to meet a deadline. 

I even said I don't think it's the end of the World and that the game won't be bad because of it.  All  I am saying is that it scares me.  Do you think being a jerk will make me feel better about it? 

I am a fan of phasing the stuff in if they can and have the time and don't release it as an expansion.  I have always said I am a fan of delivering less more polished content than more unpolished content.  I have also said that if I was in there shoes and I had to deliver the game by the decided date then I would take the same approach they are taking.  That still doesn't mean I wouldn't rather have it pushed back, and yes it still does scare me. 

It amazes me that people can take bad news and spin it around to be great news and then shove their opinions down my throat when I express my concern in a legitimate manner. 

Fair enough but i can say the exact opposite as you stated no one knows. It is false to say they re changing major design elements. I hope you understand what i m trying to say. I m not trying to be mean to you just sick of the constant stuff people claim to know that is purely opinion not facts.